On Jun 20, 6:13*am, Col wrote:
On Jun 19, 7:17*pm, Graham Easterling wrote:





On Jun 17, 7:05*pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
*wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col

Sorry, I missed Tudor's post, didn't mean to be repetitive.

It is certainly far cloudier up in Manchester than down here which
makes a big difference. At least we normally get the sun between the
rain, though not this moring.

Graham
Penzance

Graham Easterling wrote:

On Jun 20, 6:13*am, Col wrote:
On Jun 19, 7:17*pm, Graham Easterling wrote:





On Jun 17, 7:05*pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
*wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at
the moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col

Sorry, I missed Tudor's post, didn't mean to be repetitive.

It is certainly far cloudier up in Manchester than down here which
makes a big difference. At least we normally get the sun between the
rain, though not this moring.

Graham
Penzance

It's now two and a half years since we moved from Chalfont St Giles in Bucks to
Tideswell. There have been no weather surprises though the weather here is very
different from the weather in Bucks. The more notable differences are the lower
temperatures (particularly day maxes), much stronger winds and much less
sunshine. It also rains more heavily and a bit more often than in Bucks.
Overall, though, it is the reduced sunshine that is the most striking
difference. For example, the first 19 days of June have produced only 81 hours
of sunshine here. That suits me fine as I'm not a sun lover - I don't tan at
all, I just burn :-( One of the great benefits of the move is that we now get
very little of the hot humid weather that I used to detest when living in
Bucks. Also, we get proper winter weather here from time to time, sufficient
for us now to have bought a 4WD vehicle :-)

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.

On Jun 20, 6:32*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Col" wrote in message

...
On Jun 19, 7:17 pm, Graham Easterling wrote:





On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at
the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col
====

On Dartmoor it can drizzle for days on end!

Will
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I think it's clearly important to differentiate between "raininess"
and "wetness". At Motueka in Nelson province in this country, the
average rainfall is about 1360mm/annum but the number of days with 1mm
or more is barely 100, and the hours of rainfall are fairly low -
periodic wet episodes lasting a few hours, short sharp showers.
Prolonged periods of light rain or drizzle are not common. More
extreme is Takaka further west, with rainfall about 1600mm at the
coastal beaches and 2500mm just inland near the hills. The town gets
over 2000mm per year, with about the same number of rain days as
Motueka. On the other hand the southern coast of NZ (Invercargill for
example) gets only 1110mm per year, but has 160 days with at least 1mm
and about 200 with at least 0.1mm.

On Jun 20, 10:41*am, Rupert Wood wrote:
On Jun 20, 6:32*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:



"Col" wrote in message

....
On Jun 19, 7:17 pm, Graham Easterling wrote:

On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at
the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col
====

On Dartmoor it can drizzle for days on end!

Will
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- Show quoted text -

I think it's clearly important to differentiate between "raininess"
and "wetness". At Motueka in Nelson province in this country, the
average rainfall is about 1360mm/annum but the number of days with 1mm
or more is barely 100, and the hours of rainfall are fairly low -
periodic wet episodes lasting a few hours, short sharp showers.
Prolonged periods of light rain or drizzle are not common. More
extreme is Takaka further west, with rainfall about 1600mm at the
coastal beaches and 2500mm just inland near the hills. The town gets
over 2000mm per year, with about the same number of rain days as
Motueka. On the other hand the southern coast of NZ (Invercargill for
example) gets only 1110mm per year, but has 160 days with at least 1mm
and about 200 with at least 0.1mm.

That is quite a key difference, certainly where my preferences are
concerned. Far better - and less disruptive - to have a few days with
really heavy rain, then sunshine in between to dry the ground out: if
say you had a real washout on one of every four weekend days - but the
other three were warm and sunny - that would be a better climate than
what we have.

My experiences with southern Germany (three visits so far, shortly to
be four) suggest that has more of this sort of climate - I've
experienced two days with heavy rain all day and very cool
temperatures (funnily enough, both Saturday 18th July, but in
different years - 1987 and 2009) but on the other hand, significantly
more warm, sunny weather than in NW Europe. In all three visits I've
also encountered good summer thunderstorms too.

Nick

On Jun 19, 4:14*pm, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Jun 19, 1:15*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:





On Jun 19, 12:13*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:30:57 +0100, Col wrote:
Has it ever ocurred to you that these 'divisive attitudes' are caused
by southerners who by their own unthinking, arrogant ways
consider themselves to be the centre of the (British) universe?
No wonder northerners react against it!

Hear, hear.

Presenters on national broadcast networks should not be making
comment about any conditions local to them. Local conditions should
be kept for the local/regional opt outs or stations.

I and the vast majority outside the SE have no interest what so ever
in knowing that it was raining during the rush hour in the SE. Do
they mention when it rains in Manchester or Birmingham? No, so why
mention it for London?

Conditions that may have knock on effects to people outside of the
local/regional coverage areas should be mentioned on the national
networks. Like when they can't cope with a few inches of snow and
have to close Heathrow for a couple of days...

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

Do you incude London in that statement ?

The only reason "they" can't cope with snow is an overreaction by Elf
'n' Safety mob whether it be union officials, local authorities and
the over the top doom and danger forecasts from UKMO itself. Most
ordinary working people in London and the SE need to get to work to
pay their rents and mortgages *which are the highest in the UK. So
when you say "they" who do you exactly mean? And when you talk of the
south which normally implies London I'll think you'll find "they " are
now almost 50% ethnic so do you mean them as well?- Hide quoted text -

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* * *I'm 100% ethnic, but you'll have to guess which particular
ethnicity. *Lawrence, you're losing it, mate. *Get a grip.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.- Hide quoted text -

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The point I was making is that I believe its about 48% of the London
population is increasingly of an african, afro carribean and asian
origin. I say this as Col seems to be steroetyping some sort of north
south alignment that has to be fair been part in the very distant past
a tangible issue, but really that 48% I've jsut mentioned ; would they
be aware of this or even care let alone the indigenous population who
lost that mind set a long time ago. The first I even knew that there
was a slight Northern resentment for the south was when I stayed in
South Kirby in the late seventies-up until then in my upbrinnging in
London I neve once heard a disparaging remark about northerners; Col's
being a tad paranoid if you ask me.

On Jun 19, 2:40*pm, "Col" wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
On Jun 18, 12:30 pm, "Col" wrote:

I've mentioned it a grand total of *two* times in the last few weeks.
Hardly bringing it up at every opportunity.

Has it ever ocurred to you that these 'divisive attitudes' are caused
by southerners who by their own unthinking, arrogant ways
consider themselves to be the centre of the (British) universe?
No wonder northerners react against it!

I find this irritating, annoying and it's a little bugbear of mine.
It's not a massive big deal but it's there all the same.

Furthermore, I will continue to comment on weather related instances
of this as I see fit.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Considering the South contains all sort from all over the world let
alone the north of the country I think you are talking-what's *the
name of that obnoxious old northern dish-utter tripe.

Do you think the 48% ethnic mx that make up the population of greater
london hold this "arrogant attitude" of whih you speak......poppycock
Colin. Now stop stirring up imaginated hostilties towards ordinary
people. *Are you really suggestIng that Dave, Keith , Tudor, Will and
Dawlish plus many other NG members have a contempt for the north?

Now stop trying to put words in my mouth, you know full well I was
speaking of the attitude of southerners in general, rather any specific
ones. Will I know originates from Manchester and I think Dawlish
is from northern England somewhere so I doubt they would hold
such views.

I think very few (if any) people from the south hold a genuine 'contempt'
for the north, rather it's a more subconscious thing that ends up with
them appearing rather arrogant. They are brought up with the sense
(fuelled by the media) that everything revolves around London and
react with utter disbelief (as you are doing here) that anybody from
outside the Home Counties views things in a different light.

Oh, and I really don't know why you are attempting to drag race
into this argument.....
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
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What views Col. I'm of a working class background born and bred in
London and I have never heard these views that you speak off. There's
two things here that need to betaken into account; we have to be
honest and accept how heavily the SE and south is populated, then the
media whch covers these issues. I've already covered the issue of the
south coming to a halt being ove azealous councils , unions and h&s ,
By the way UKMO must take some blame here by constanly making a drama
out of every forecast..

On Jun 20, 7:32*am, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Col" wrote in message

...
On Jun 19, 7:17 pm, Graham Easterling wrote:





On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at
the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col
====

On Dartmoor it can drizzle for days on end!

Will
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The average here since 1983 is 815 mm. At the top of the North
Downs at nearly 900 ft the total is about 900 mm, by a happy
coincidence. It's almost certainly true that the rainfall duration is
lower than Manchester's though I know of no source of figures to prove
it. The sunshine duration is quite a bit higher and there are
certainly figures to prove that. A small point: - I would rather be
in Manchester than here during an easterly at any time of the year.
It can get quite nasty. Breezy and bleak.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey, 556 ft, 169 m

On Jun 20, 10:41*am, Rupert Wood wrote:
On Jun 20, 6:32*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:





"Col" wrote in message

....
On Jun 19, 7:17 pm, Graham Easterling wrote:

On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at
the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col
====

On Dartmoor it can drizzle for days on end!

Will
--- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think it's clearly important to differentiate between "raininess"
and "wetness". At Motueka in Nelson province in this country, the
average rainfall is about 1360mm/annum but the number of days with 1mm
or more is barely 100, and the hours of rainfall are fairly low -
periodic wet episodes lasting a few hours, short sharp showers.
Prolonged periods of light rain or drizzle are not common. More
extreme is Takaka further west, with rainfall about 1600mm at the
coastal beaches and 2500mm just inland near the hills. The town gets
over 2000mm per year, with about the same number of rain days as
Motueka. On the other hand the southern coast of NZ (Invercargill for
example) gets only 1110mm per year, but has 160 days with at least 1mm
and about 200 with at least 0.1mm.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ignoring the attempt to bring right wing politics into another
discussion by you know who.........

That's a really interesting point, Rupert. I'm relying on perception
here, which may well be wrong(!), but Dawlish does not suffer from the
drizzliness od Dartmoor. Maybe because on the days with hill fog in SW
and W airstreams, the air dries and warms in its 400m downhill journey
from Dartmoor to Dawlish and the adiabatic warming gets rid of the
drizzle.

On Jun 20, 5:34*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Jun 20, 10:41*am, Rupert Wood wrote:





On Jun 20, 6:32*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:

"Col" wrote in message

....
On Jun 19, 7:17 pm, Graham Easterling wrote:

On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at
the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col
====

On Dartmoor it can drizzle for days on end!

Will
--- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think it's clearly important to differentiate between "raininess"
and "wetness". At Motueka in Nelson province in this country, the
average rainfall is about 1360mm/annum but the number of days with 1mm
or more is barely 100, and the hours of rainfall are fairly low -
periodic wet episodes lasting a few hours, short sharp showers.
Prolonged periods of light rain or drizzle are not common. More
extreme is Takaka further west, with rainfall about 1600mm at the
coastal beaches and 2500mm just inland near the hills. The town gets
over 2000mm per year, with about the same number of rain days as
Motueka. On the other hand the southern coast of NZ (Invercargill for
example) gets only 1110mm per year, but has 160 days with at least 1mm
and about 200 with at least 0.1mm.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ignoring the attempt to bring right wing politics into another
discussion by you know who.........

That's a really interesting point, Rupert. I'm relying on perception
here, which may well be wrong(!), but Dawlish does not suffer from the
drizzliness od Dartmoor. Maybe because on the days with hill fog in SW
and W airstreams, the air dries and warms in its 400m downhill journey
from Dartmoor to Dawlish and the adiabatic warming gets rid of the
drizzle.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know full well the point I was making however I will elaborate: I
mentioned the immigration levels of London as why would these people
have a anti-north bias it means nothing to them. The second point was
that you cannot talkor even menyion the words foriegner, ethnic
minority without racisms being bandied about yet you can say
southerners fat americans with no one raising an eyelid util of course
U mention that statistically the fattest americans are afrucan
american or hispanic. Its always the same people that squeal in these
cases and tehy are usuallt water melons green on the outside red in
the middle. I never deviated from the thread only reacted against anti
american sentiment which seems to thrive in this group and if you
respond you are racist?

On Jun 20, 5:56*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Jun 20, 5:34*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Jun 20, 10:41*am, Rupert Wood wrote:

On Jun 20, 6:32*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:

"Col" wrote in message

...
On Jun 19, 7:17 pm, Graham Easterling wrote:

On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at
the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col
====

On Dartmoor it can drizzle for days on end!

Will
--- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think it's clearly important to differentiate between "raininess"
and "wetness". At Motueka in Nelson province in this country, the
average rainfall is about 1360mm/annum but the number of days with 1mm
or more is barely 100, and the hours of rainfall are fairly low -
periodic wet episodes lasting a few hours, short sharp showers.
Prolonged periods of light rain or drizzle are not common. More
extreme is Takaka further west, with rainfall about 1600mm at the
coastal beaches and 2500mm just inland near the hills. The town gets
over 2000mm per year, with about the same number of rain days as
Motueka. On the other hand the southern coast of NZ (Invercargill for
example) gets only 1110mm per year, but has 160 days with at least 1mm
and about 200 with at least 0.1mm.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ignoring the attempt to bring right wing politics into another
discussion by you know who.........

That's a really interesting point, Rupert. I'm relying on perception
here, which may well be wrong(!), but Dawlish does not suffer from the
drizzliness od Dartmoor. Maybe because on the days with hill fog in SW
and W airstreams, the air dries and warms in its 400m downhill journey
from Dartmoor to Dawlish and the adiabatic warming gets rid of the
drizzle.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know full well the point I was making however I will elaborate: I
mentioned the immigration levels of London as why would these people
have a anti-north bias it means nothing to them. The second point was
that you cannot talkor even menyion the words foriegner, ethnic
minority without racisms being bandied about yet you can say
southerners fat americans with no one raising an eyelid util of course
U mention that statistically the fattest americans are afrucan
american or hispanic. Its always the same people that squeal in these
cases and tehy are usuallt water melons green on the outside red in
the middle. I never deviated from the thread only reacted against anti
american sentiment which seems to thrive in this group and if you
respond you are racist?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I honestly couldn't care two hoots about the point you feel you might
be making are making and I was replying to Rupert's really interesting
weather point and ignoring your usual and dreadfully boring attempts
to bring the Daily mail into the newsgroup at any excuse. If you want
to push your political views; go somewhere else. There are plenty of
other newsgroups where you can.