On Jun 20, 10:09*pm, Nick wrote:
On Jun 20, 10:41*am, Rupert Wood wrote:





On Jun 20, 6:32*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:

"Col" wrote in message

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On Jun 19, 7:17 pm, Graham Easterling wrote:

On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

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On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
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That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at
the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col
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On Dartmoor it can drizzle for days on end!

Will
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I think it's clearly important to differentiate between "raininess"
and "wetness". At Motueka in Nelson province in this country, the
average rainfall is about 1360mm/annum but the number of days with 1mm
or more is barely 100, and the hours of rainfall are fairly low -
periodic wet episodes lasting a few hours, short sharp showers.
Prolonged periods of light rain or drizzle are not common. More
extreme is Takaka further west, with rainfall about 1600mm at the
coastal beaches and 2500mm just inland near the hills. The town gets
over 2000mm per year, with about the same number of rain days as
Motueka. On the other hand the southern coast of NZ (Invercargill for
example) gets only 1110mm per year, but has 160 days with at least 1mm
and about 200 with at least 0.1mm.

That is quite a key difference, certainly where my preferences are
concerned. Far better - and less disruptive - to have a few days with
really heavy rain, then sunshine in between to dry the ground out: if
say you had a real washout on one of every four weekend days - but the
other three were warm and sunny - that would be a better climate than
what we have.

My experiences with southern Germany (three visits so far, shortly to
be four) suggest that has more of this sort of climate - I've
experienced two days with heavy rain all day and very cool
temperatures (funnily enough, both Saturday 18th July, but in
different years - 1987 and 2009) but on the other hand, significantly
more warm, sunny weather than in NW Europe. In all three visits I've
also encountered good summer thunderstorms too.

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Yes, in a holiday context especially, a really wet day would not be a
large price to pay for the sunny ones. One of the best shortish
holidays I've had here was a February week or so in the Nelson-
Marlborough region of NZ with at least six perfect sunny days, and an
extremely wet day for the drive back to the interisland ferry on the
last day.

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Lawrence13 writes

I never deviated from the thread only reacted against anti
american sentiment which seems to thrive in this group and if you
respond you are racist?


Got some news you Laurence ant-Americanism isn't exclusive to this
group.


Some of them do make themselves sitting targets though.
--

Jim

On Jun 21, 4:34*am, Dawlish wrote:
On Jun 20, 10:41*am, Rupert Wood wrote:





On Jun 20, 6:32*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:

"Col" wrote in message

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On Jun 19, 7:17 pm, Graham Easterling wrote:

On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex at
the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col
====

On Dartmoor it can drizzle for days on end!

Will
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I think it's clearly important to differentiate between "raininess"
and "wetness". At Motueka in Nelson province in this country, the
average rainfall is about 1360mm/annum but the number of days with 1mm
or more is barely 100, and the hours of rainfall are fairly low -
periodic wet episodes lasting a few hours, short sharp showers.
Prolonged periods of light rain or drizzle are not common. More
extreme is Takaka further west, with rainfall about 1600mm at the
coastal beaches and 2500mm just inland near the hills. The town gets
over 2000mm per year, with about the same number of rain days as
Motueka. On the other hand the southern coast of NZ (Invercargill for
example) gets only 1110mm per year, but has 160 days with at least 1mm
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Ignoring the attempt to bring right wing politics into another
discussion by you know who.........

That's a really interesting point, Rupert. I'm relying on perception
here, which may well be wrong(!), but Dawlish does not suffer from the
drizzliness od Dartmoor. Maybe because on the days with hill fog in SW
and W airstreams, the air dries and warms in its 400m downhill journey
from Dartmoor to Dawlish and the adiabatic warming gets rid of the
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Thanks - in that context, climate stations that can give a breakdown
of rainfall durations as well as
just hourly/daily totals etc, could be really useful. I don't know
what the present status here (let alone in the UK) is,
but analyses of this type were done in the past for a number of our
major towns. There's no substitute for knowledgeable human observers
though!

"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
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On Jun 20, 7:32 am, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Col" wrote in message

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On Jun 19, 7:17 pm, Graham Easterling wrote:





On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, "Col" wrote:

"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 17/06/11 17:45, Col wrote:
wrote in message
...
That looks like a pretty big gap in the forecast rain over England
coming
up,
just like the big snowstorm forecasts we often get...

http://premium.raintoday.co.uk/

I was expecting rain from about 11 this morning.
Nothing yet....

Looks like it is all to the south of you. Pretty nasty in W Sussex
at
the
moment.

I know it's been raining in the south, the newsreaders on the BBC
were asking when is it going to stop raining?
A little bit of rain and they think they're hard done by, those BBC
employees who re-locate to Media City in Salford are going to get
a nasty weather surprise I can tell you
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I believe Manchester's annual rainfall is 820mm per annum. This
compares with 1219.6mm in Penzance (1981-2010 average).

Just thought it was time to expose the urban myth of Manchester being
very wet.

I am aware of this but Bolton is wetter than Manchester, I've
lived in both so I know
See my reply to Tudor but I think it rains longer but with less
intensity up here which probably helps perpeptuate this myth.

Col
====

On Dartmoor it can drizzle for days on end!

Will
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The average here since 1983 is 815 mm. At the top of the North
Downs at nearly 900 ft the total is about 900 mm, by a happy
coincidence. It's almost certainly true that the rainfall duration is
lower than Manchester's though I know of no source of figures to prove
it. The sunshine duration is quite a bit higher and there are
certainly figures to prove that. A small point: - I would rather be
in Manchester than here during an easterly at any time of the year.
It can get quite nasty. Breezy and bleak.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey, 556 ft, 169 m
===================

1600 mm per year here on Dartmoor. You really have to like rain to live
here. Manchester is like a desert compared to here and the SE *is* a desert
comparred to here. Any hint of rain in the forecast and we get it and today
it was so irritating. Carol Kirkwood at breakfast was going on at length
about a bit of drizzle in Wimbledon and then said "for the rest of you it is
a fine start", er no, ... it was foggy here with a soaking drizzle - hardly
fine. Local radio/TV is often not much better. Quite often you here in
winter that temperatures will not fall lower than say 5C when at home it is
already 2C and falling at the time of broadcast, or you hear a forecast of
maybe a bit of snow "on the tops of the moors" and I wake up to a good inch
being 1000 feet lower than the "tops of the moors". Media forecasts are fine
if you live in low-lying cities but live anywhere remote and quite frankly
conditions often don't resemble what's being said.

Will (Haytor, Devon)
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On Jun 20, 8:44*pm, Jim Kewley wrote:
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Lawrence13 writes



I never deviated from the thread only reacted against anti
american sentiment which seems to thrive in this group and if you
respond you are racist?

Got some news you Laurence ant-Americanism isn't exclusive to this
group.

Some of them do make themselves sitting targets though.
--

Jim

Can you say that when your'e sober

In message
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Lawrence13 writes
On Jun 20, 8:44*pm, Jim Kewley wrote:
In message
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Lawrence13 writes



I never deviated from the thread only reacted against anti
american sentiment which seems to thrive in this group and if you
respond you are racist?

Got some news you Laurence ant-Americanism isn't exclusive to this
group.

Some of them do make themselves sitting targets though.
--

Jim

Can you say that when your'e sober




Ha ha typo, funnily enough I'm stone cold sober tonight. After a heavy
week-end think I'll be giving my liver a rest all week.

Should've said.

Got some news 'for' you Laurence, anti-Americanism isn't exclusive to
this group.

Can you understand it now?
--

Jim

On Jun 20, 11:13*pm, Jim Kewley wrote:
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Lawrence13 writes





On Jun 20, 8:44 pm, Jim Kewley wrote:
In message
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Lawrence13 writes

I never deviated from the thread only reacted against anti
american sentiment which seems to thrive in this group and if you
respond you are racist?

Got some news you Laurence ant-Americanism isn't exclusive to this
group.

Some of them do make themselves sitting targets though.
--

Jim

Can you say that when your'e sober

Ha ha typo, funnily enough I'm stone cold sober tonight. After a heavy
week-end think I'll be giving my liver a rest all week.

Should've said.

Got some news 'for' you Laurence, anti-Americanism isn't exclusive to
this group.

Can you understand it now?
--

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My names Lawrence, not that it really matters, 'u' bugger you,

On Jun 20, 11:13*pm, Jim Kewley wrote:
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Lawrence13 writes





On Jun 20, 8:44 pm, Jim Kewley wrote:
In message
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Lawrence13 writes

I never deviated from the thread only reacted against anti
american sentiment which seems to thrive in this group and if you
respond you are racist?

Got some news you Laurence ant-Americanism isn't exclusive to this
group.

Some of them do make themselves sitting targets though.
--

Jim

Can you say that when your'e sober

Ha ha typo, funnily enough I'm stone cold sober tonight. After a heavy
week-end think I'll be giving my liver a rest all week.

Should've said.

Got some news 'for' you Laurence, anti-Americanism isn't exclusive to
this group.

Can you understand it now?
--

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People make the scurrilous accusation of me being ****ed all the time
and the sad thing is they are usually.......hic.... right

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Lawrence13 writes
On Jun 20, 11:13*pm, Jim Kewley wrote:
In message
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Lawrence13 writes





On Jun 20, 8:44 pm, Jim Kewley wrote:
In message
,
Lawrence13 writes

I never deviated from the thread only reacted against anti
american sentiment which seems to thrive in this group and if you
respond you are racist?

Got some news you Laurence ant-Americanism isn't exclusive to this
group.

Some of them do make themselves sitting targets though.
--

Jim

Can you say that when your'e sober

Ha ha typo, funnily enough I'm stone cold sober tonight. After a heavy
week-end think I'll be giving my liver a rest all week.

Should've said.

Got some news 'for' you Laurence, anti-Americanism isn't exclusive to
this group.

Can you understand it now?
--

Jim- Hide quoted text -

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My names Lawrence, not that it really matters, 'u' bugger you,

Sorry mate honest, I know a Laurence. Repeat repeat, it's a W not a U.

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Jim