Today as I'm shure many of you know two earthquakes occured
in the US, one right at the Kansas/New Mexico border with magnitude
5.3, later in the afternoon, (UTC), a 5.8 magnitude in Virginia near
Wahington DC! These are magnitudes that I personally have not seen
in these areas, but they might occur at _long_ intervals as is known.

But what is strikingly apparent is that at this PRECISE
instant the worst hurricane since 2008 (which was Ike) is born in the
Carribean and is fast approaching the US east coast. Just north
of Hispanola at the moment. Name: Irene.

If someone were to tell me these three events were not related, I
don't know what I would do - probably just laugh?!??

Bjørn Sørheim

On Aug 23, 9:18*pm, "Bj rn S rheim"
wrote:
Today as I'm shure many of you know two earthquakes occured
in the US, one right at the Kansas/New Mexico border with magnitude
5.3, *later in the afternoon, (UTC), a 5.8 magnitude in Virginia near
Wahington DC! These are magnitudes that I personally have not seen
in these areas, but they might occur at _long_ intervals as is known.

But what is strikingly apparent is that at this PRECISE
instant the worst hurricane since 2008 (which was Ike) is born in the
Carribean and is fast approaching the US east coast. Just north
of Hispanola at the moment. Name: Irene.

If someone were to tell me these three events were not related, I
don't know what I would do *- probably just laugh?!??

Bj rn S rheim


Cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

In any case, Irene had formed before these earthquakes not at that
"precise moment".


Stephen.

On Aug 24, 8:47*am, Stephen Davenport wrote:

In any case, Irene had formed before these earthquakes not at that
"precise moment".

What precise moment is that?

An earthquake, if it is in the same VEI family as a volcano is taking
place for the period of time that the weather interferes with the
aquifers that cause rupture or are ruptured.

That is about all anyone knows about earthquakes and there appears to
be only me knowing that, obvious though it seems.

How far was the storm in Brussels (at the "precise moment" it went
ashore from the epicentres of the US quakes?

What exactly causes storms anyway?
Contemporary science seems locked into the Richardson thing so badly
it has lost track of trying to understand first causes.

It would pay dividents in programming the weather computers if only
someone a little better at meteorology than I were capable at taking a
thorough look at things from the up ground and back arse wads.

Still, never mind, eh?
Mustn't grumble.

"Stephen Davenport" wrote in message
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On Aug 23, 9:18 pm, "Bj rn S rheim"
wrote:
Today as I'm shure many of you know two earthquakes occured
in the US, one right at the Kansas/New Mexico border with magnitude
5.3, later in the afternoon, (UTC), a 5.8 magnitude in Virginia near
Wahington DC! These are magnitudes that I personally have not seen
in these areas, but they might occur at _long_ intervals as is known.

But what is strikingly apparent is that at this PRECISE
instant the worst hurricane since 2008 (which was Ike) is born in the
Carribean and is fast approaching the US east coast. Just north
of Hispanola at the moment. Name: Irene.

If someone were to tell me these three events were not related, I
don't know what I would do - probably just laugh?!??

Bj rn S rheim


Cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

In any case, Irene had formed before these earthquakes not at that
"precise moment".


Stephen.

I once spent some time working as a forecaster in Ancona on the Italian
Adriatic. One February, after a ridge of high pressure, an unusually deep
depression crossed the Italian peninsular, and just as it did so there was
an earthquake at Ancona. I was impressed by the coincidence of timing. I
wondered if it was possible that offshore oil-drilling had left the
subterranean strata in such a critically unstable state that the slightest
fillip – like the lifting of about 5% of the weight of the atmosphere off
the surface – could cause a movement. Then I thought, “what, through 2
miles of solid rock, I don’t think so�. So I concluded it was most likely
coincidence, though I’m still intrigued by the timing. I had a 98-room
hotel all to myself for 4 days, but that’s another story!

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.

In message , Ian Bingham
writes


"Stephen Davenport" wrote in message
...

On Aug 23, 9:18 pm, "Bj rn S rheim"
wrote:
Today as I'm shure many of you know two earthquakes occured
in the US, one right at the Kansas/New Mexico border with magnitude
5.3, later in the afternoon, (UTC), a 5.8 magnitude in Virginia near
Wahington DC! These are magnitudes that I personally have not seen
in these areas, but they might occur at _long_ intervals as is known.

But what is strikingly apparent is that at this PRECISE
instant the worst hurricane since 2008 (which was Ike) is born in the
Carribean and is fast approaching the US east coast. Just north
of Hispanola at the moment. Name: Irene.

If someone were to tell me these three events were not related, I
don't know what I would do - probably just laugh?!??

Bj rn S rheim


Cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

In any case, Irene had formed before these earthquakes not at that
"precise moment".


Stephen.

I once spent some time working as a forecaster in Ancona on the Italian
Adriatic. One February, after a ridge of high pressure, an unusually
deep depression crossed the Italian peninsular, and just as it did so
there was an earthquake at Ancona. I was impressed by the coincidence
of timing. I wondered if it was possible that offshore oil-drilling had
left the subterranean strata in such a critically unstable state that
the slightest fillip – like the lifting of about 5% of the weight of
the atmosphere off the surface – could cause a movement. Then I
thought, “what, through 2 miles of solid rock, I don’t think so�.
So I concluded it was most likely coincidence, though I’m still
intrigued by the timing. I had a 98-room hotel all to myself for 4
days, but that’s another story!

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.

A question that comes to mind is how long does it take for the change in
the loading on the surface by the atmosphere to propagate down to the
depths at which initial earthquake ruptures occur?

Also, why does lowered air pressure in the tropical Atlantic trigger
earthquakes in Virginia and New Mexico? Shouldn't one expect the
earthquake to occur when the hurricane strikes Virginia?
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:05:45 +0100, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote:

A question that comes to mind is how long does it take for the change in
the loading on the surface by the atmosphere to propagate down to the
depths at which initial earthquake ruptures occur?

Also, why does lowered air pressure in the tropical Atlantic trigger
earthquakes in Virginia and New Mexico? Shouldn't one expect the
earthquake to occur when the hurricane strikes Virginia?

I think you are all looking much too close to home.

_Both_ the earthquake and Irene have occurred at exactly the time that
the light from the Pinwheel supernova arrived at the Earth. It's
obviously the cause of both of them.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0825164936.htm

;-) (just in case)

Ian
--
The From and ReplyTo addresses are valid

"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message
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In message , Ian Bingham
writes


"Stephen Davenport" wrote in message
...

On Aug 23, 9:18 pm, "Bj rn S rheim"
wrote:
Today as I'm shure many of you know two earthquakes occured
in the US, one right at the Kansas/New Mexico border with magnitude
5.3, later in the afternoon, (UTC), a 5.8 magnitude in Virginia near
Wahington DC! These are magnitudes that I personally have not seen
in these areas, but they might occur at _long_ intervals as is known.

But what is strikingly apparent is that at this PRECISE
instant the worst hurricane since 2008 (which was Ike) is born in the
Carribean and is fast approaching the US east coast. Just north
of Hispanola at the moment. Name: Irene.

If someone were to tell me these three events were not related, I
don't know what I would do - probably just laugh?!??

Bj rn S rheim


Cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

In any case, Irene had formed before these earthquakes not at that
"precise moment".


Stephen.

I once spent some time working as a forecaster in Ancona on the Italian
Adriatic. One February, after a ridge of high pressure, an unusually deep
depression crossed the Italian peninsular, and just as it did so there was
an earthquake at Ancona. I was impressed by the coincidence of timing. I
wondered if it was possible that offshore oil-drilling had left the
subterranean strata in such a critically unstable state that the slightest
fillip – like the lifting of about 5% of the weight of the atmosphere off
the surface – could cause a movement. Then I thought, “what, through 2
miles of solid rock, I don’t think so�. So I concluded it was most likely
coincidence, though I’m still intrigued by the timing. I had a 98-room
hotel all to myself for 4 days, but that’s another story!

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.

A question that comes to mind is how long does it take for the change in
the loading on the surface by the atmosphere to propagate down to the
depths at which initial earthquake ruptures occur?

Also, why does lowered air pressure in the tropical Atlantic trigger
earthquakes in Virginia and New Mexico? Shouldn't one expect the
earthquake to occur when the hurricane strikes Virginia?
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Your 1st para. - I don't think it happens.
Yours 2nd para. - Why indeed?
An interesting thing about earthquakes: the Ancona quake happened about
0500. There were many after-shocks throughout the day, but you get a short
warning when one is about to happen. Sound waves travel through the earth
faster than shock waves, so about 3 seconds (in this case) before the shock,
there is a very low-pitched rumbling sound. When you hear that, you know
what's coming.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.

In message , Ian Bingham
writes
Your 1st para. - I don't think it happens.

That was more or less my point.

Yours 2nd para. - Why indeed?
An interesting thing about earthquakes: the Ancona quake happened about 0500. There were many after-shocks throughout the day, but you get a
short warning when one is about to happen. Sound waves travel through the earth faster than shock waves, so about 3 seconds (in this case) before
the shock, there is a very low-pitched rumbling sound. When you hear that, you know what's coming.

--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On Aug 23, 9:18*pm, "Bjørn Sørheim"
wrote:

Today as I'm sure many of you know, two earthquakes occurred
in the US, one right at the Kansas/New Mexico border with magnitude
5.3, *later in the afternoon, (UTC), a 5.8 magnitude in Virginia near
Wahington DC.

These are magnitudes that I personally have not seen
in these areas, but they might occur at _long_ intervals as is known.

They are not high magnitude. The recent 6+M in Japan was more
inteeresting as it was one of the first of that size to occur in the
last few months without an anticyclone in the NE North Atlantic.

The probability being that it would have been greater if all the other
related weather patterns had remainedin force whilst the extra one(s)
in the N Atlantic occurred.

But what is strikingly apparent is that at this PRECISE
instant the worst hurricane since 2008 (which was Ike) is born in the
Carribean and is fast approaching the US east coast. Just north
of Hispanola at the moment. Name: Irene.

If someone were to tell me these three events were not related, I
don't know what I would do probably just laugh.

It remains to be seen just how far apart a set of weather systems need
be to increase the potential of an earthquake. What is becvoming clear
is that the multiples make a mockery of contemporary magnitude
estimates.

Failing one cyclone/anticylone, a mag 6 becomes a mag 5 or whatever.
But this doesn't mean a Mag 5 is one step less than a mag 6 does it?

If you lookat the current and recent lists on the NEIC pages, you will
sooner or later notice two or three consecutive quakes of similar
magnitude on the list. All within a degree or two of the epicentre of
the first. They may be minutes apart or a few hours.

These usually tell the end of a large storm.

But the storm doesn't have to be a tropical one.

Look how a Chilean or Aleutian earthquake occurs when a weather
system leaves or arrives in the Virginia / Carolina (N+S) region.
Invariably it is a matter of some 80 degrees in that case. But there
are other weather systems too, having an associated impact.

All that needs be done is to take a look at the weather world wide for
a series of such and you have the magnitude point differences.

And can come up with inverse square laws for them.

(If there is that much difference with distance. They say that swells
don't lose their power but whoever "they" are, probably do not take
account of the fact that waves are tidal (as are earthquakes.) Look
how many mutts on sci.geo.earthquakes still adhere to the principle
that harbour waves are not tidal waves.)

I am in a state of mind now that I don't get upset by them being
stupid. It took a while but when I realised I was knocking on heaven's
door I also realised I'd be leaving them all behind.

My job is to not step in the dogczjd whilst I am so close to the
threshold.
(Or not, as the case may be.)

Interesting observations. Add in gas fracking in the region, and you've got
another "trigger".

In 1985, I predicted the Mexican earthquake based on approaching Hurricane
Terry. That ended up being a magnitude 8.1. I could see the hurricane
tracking across the Pacific Ocean for days, and the path was headed directly
for a fracture zone. I believe the hurricane started an underwater
landslide that sent a large amount of debris into the fracture and set it
off. All it takes is a submersible to prove it later... In the VA case, I
believe gas fracking may be more important as a trigger, but add in the
weather systems, and other earthquakes that are happening and that put
pressure on other faults, then you may have a perfect set-up for these
quakes.



"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
On Aug 23, 9:18 pm, "Bjørn Sørheim"
wrote:

Today as I'm sure many of you know, two earthquakes occurred
in the US, one right at the Kansas/New Mexico border with magnitude
5.3, later in the afternoon, (UTC), a 5.8 magnitude in Virginia near
Wahington DC.

These are magnitudes that I personally have not seen
in these areas, but they might occur at _long_ intervals as is known.

They are not high magnitude. The recent 6+M in Japan was more
inteeresting as it was one of the first of that size to occur in the
last few months without an anticyclone in the NE North Atlantic.

The probability being that it would have been greater if all the other
related weather patterns had remainedin force whilst the extra one(s)
in the N Atlantic occurred.

But what is strikingly apparent is that at this PRECISE
instant the worst hurricane since 2008 (which was Ike) is born in the
Carribean and is fast approaching the US east coast. Just north
of Hispanola at the moment. Name: Irene.

If someone were to tell me these three events were not related, I
don't know what I would do probably just laugh.

It remains to be seen just how far apart a set of weather systems need
be to increase the potential of an earthquake. What is becvoming clear
is that the multiples make a mockery of contemporary magnitude
estimates.

Failing one cyclone/anticylone, a mag 6 becomes a mag 5 or whatever.
But this doesn't mean a Mag 5 is one step less than a mag 6 does it?

If you lookat the current and recent lists on the NEIC pages, you will
sooner or later notice two or three consecutive quakes of similar
magnitude on the list. All within a degree or two of the epicentre of
the first. They may be minutes apart or a few hours.

These usually tell the end of a large storm.

But the storm doesn't have to be a tropical one.

Look how a Chilean or Aleutian earthquake occurs when a weather
system leaves or arrives in the Virginia / Carolina (N+S) region.
Invariably it is a matter of some 80 degrees in that case. But there
are other weather systems too, having an associated impact.

All that needs be done is to take a look at the weather world wide for
a series of such and you have the magnitude point differences.

And can come up with inverse square laws for them.

(If there is that much difference with distance. They say that swells
don't lose their power but whoever "they" are, probably do not take
account of the fact that waves are tidal (as are earthquakes.) Look
how many mutts on sci.geo.earthquakes still adhere to the principle
that harbour waves are not tidal waves.)

I am in a state of mind now that I don't get upset by them being
stupid. It took a while but when I realised I was knocking on heaven's
door I also realised I'd be leaving them all behind.

My job is to not step in the dogczjd whilst I am so close to the
threshold.
(Or not, as the case may be.)