winds up to 80mph, wow
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14690942

the scots must be laughing

thats a standard hoolie

och!

On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:04:51 +0100, Fonzy wrote:

winds up to 80mph, wow

Sustained or gust?

The other side of the pond and in relation to hurricanes the quoted
speeds refer to sustained wind speeds.

This side of the pond most weather reports that headline wind speeds
generally are refering to a single peak gust at an exposed place for
the entire storm.

Such gusts are anything from 10 to 20mph above the sustained wind
speed.

The British media give a very false impression to the general public
of what a sustained winds speed of 60mph is actually like. It'll have
you off your feet given half a chance and would wreak devastation
through an normal urban enviroment.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in
ill.co.uk:

On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:04:51 +0100, Fonzy wrote:

winds up to 80mph, wow

Sustained or gust?

The other side of the pond and in relation to hurricanes the quoted
speeds refer to sustained wind speeds.

80 mph sustained wind in US terms (1 min sustained) is about 71 (ish) mph
in UK money - where sustained winds are typically 10 minute means. This
would correspond to about 95 mph gusts over coastal areas using a
standard gust factor. 95 mph gusts at the coast are pretty good going and
indicative of likely damage inland...

Hopefully I've got my factors correct here...

Richard

On Aug 27, 11:53*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:04:51 +0100, Fonzy wrote:
winds up to 80mph, wow

Sustained or gust?

The other side of the pond and in relation to hurricanes the quoted
speeds refer to sustained wind speeds.

This side of the pond most weather reports that headline wind speeds
generally are refering to a single peak gust at an exposed place for
the entire storm.

Such gusts are anything from 10 to 20mph above the sustained wind
speed.

The British media give a very false impression to the general public
of what a sustained winds speed of 60mph is actually like. It'll have
you off your feet given half a chance and would wreak devastation
through an normal urban enviroment.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

It probably would but I have yet to see, after a thorough
trawl of METARs in North Carolina and Virginia just now and a few
hours ago, a sustained wind speed of more than 52 mph, which is Force
9. The rainfall is tremendous and a hazard in itself but the wind
speeds would be familiar to anyone in the Hebrides. Worse things
happens elsewhere which we don't hear about, so why all the fuss?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

On Aug 28, 1:17*am, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Aug 27, 11:53*pm, "Dave Liquorice"









wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:04:51 +0100, Fonzy wrote:
winds up to 80mph, wow

Sustained or gust?

The other side of the pond and in relation to hurricanes the quoted
speeds refer to sustained wind speeds.

This side of the pond most weather reports that headline wind speeds
generally are refering to a single peak gust at an exposed place for
the entire storm.

Such gusts are anything from 10 to 20mph above the sustained wind
speed.

The British media give a very false impression to the general public
of what a sustained winds speed of 60mph is actually like. It'll have
you off your feet given half a chance and would wreak devastation
through an normal urban enviroment.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

* * * * * It probably would but I have yet to see, after a thorough
trawl of METARs in North Carolina and Virginia just now and a few
hours ago, a sustained wind speed of more than 52 mph, which is Force
9. *The rainfall is tremendous and a hazard in itself but the wind
speeds would be familiar to anyone in the Hebrides. *Worse things
happens elsewhere which we don't hear about, so why all the fuss?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

The problem is not the winds, it is the low pressure which will cause
a storm surge. For instance, the New York subway runs below sea level
and will be flooded if the high tide coincides with a large enough
storm surge.

Cheers, Alastair.

In article
,
Tudor Hughes writes:
The rainfall is tremendous and a hazard in itself

Yes, people always seem to overlook the very large rainfall associated
with hurricanes, which can sometimes be just as damaging as the winds.

but the wind
speeds would be familiar to anyone in the Hebrides. Worse things
happens elsewhere which we don't hear about, so why all the fuss?

New York is probably far less able to cope with high winds than is a
village in the Hebrides where they are a familiar occurrence. And the
number of people affected will be a couple of orders of magnitude
greater.
--
John Hall
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
Winston S Churchill (1874-1965)

On Aug 28, 1:17*am, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Aug 27, 11:53*pm, "Dave Liquorice"





wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:04:51 +0100, Fonzy wrote:
winds up to 80mph, wow

Sustained or gust?

The other side of the pond and in relation to hurricanes the quoted
speeds refer to sustained wind speeds.

This side of the pond most weather reports that headline wind speeds
generally are refering to a single peak gust at an exposed place for
the entire storm.

Such gusts are anything from 10 to 20mph above the sustained wind
speed.

The British media give a very false impression to the general public
of what a sustained winds speed of 60mph is actually like. It'll have
you off your feet given half a chance and would wreak devastation
through an normal urban enviroment.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

* * * * * It probably would but I have yet to see, after a thorough
trawl of METARs in North Carolina and Virginia just now and a few
hours ago, a sustained wind speed of more than 52 mph, which is Force
9. *The rainfall is tremendous and a hazard in itself but the wind
speeds would be familiar to anyone in the Hebrides. *Worse things
happens elsewhere which we don't hear about, so why all the fuss?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It was well and truly overcooked but it was a hurricane to start with
and deserved to be taken seriously. The attitude should be 'we took
the necessary precautions and thankfully things turned out far better
than they could have' . However if you want fuss, you can look far
closer to home.

On 28/08/11 01:17, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Aug 27, 11:53 pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:04:51 +0100, Fonzy wrote:
winds up to 80mph, wow

Sustained or gust?

The other side of the pond and in relation to hurricanes the quoted
speeds refer to sustained wind speeds.

This side of the pond most weather reports that headline wind speeds
generally are refering to a single peak gust at an exposed place for
the entire storm.

Such gusts are anything from 10 to 20mph above the sustained wind
speed.

The British media give a very false impression to the general public
of what a sustained winds speed of 60mph is actually like. It'll have
you off your feet given half a chance and would wreak devastation
through an normal urban enviroment.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

It probably would but I have yet to see, after a thorough
trawl of METARs in North Carolina and Virginia just now and a few
hours ago, a sustained wind speed of more than 52 mph, which is Force
9. The rainfall is tremendous and a hazard in itself but the wind
speeds would be familiar to anyone in the Hebrides. Worse things
happens elsewhere which we don't hear about, so why all the fuss?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

Of the four destructive forces of a hurricane, winds rank third.

The majority of the deaths in a hurricane historically are from drowning.

It is the storm surge (dependant on the width as well as intensity, and
Irene is a huge hurricane) and the 8-12 inches of rain coinciding with a
spring tide, coupled with the fact that NY is surrounded by water that
is the major cause for concern. How many Hebridean storms produce a foot
of rain and raise the sea level by 8 ft?

From the NHC public advisory:

"BATTERY PARK NEW YORK CITY HAS RECENTLY REPORTED A TOTAL WATER LEVEL
NEAR 8.6 FEET"

On 27/08/11 23:53, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:04:51 +0100, Fonzy wrote:

winds up to 80mph, wow

Sustained or gust?

The other side of the pond and in relation to hurricanes the quoted
speeds refer to sustained wind speeds.

This side of the pond most weather reports that headline wind speeds
generally are refering to a single peak gust at an exposed place for
the entire storm.

Such gusts are anything from 10 to 20mph above the sustained wind
speed.

The British media give a very false impression to the general public
of what a sustained winds speed of 60mph is actually like. It'll have
you off your feet given half a chance and would wreak devastation
through an normal urban enviroment.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.




Bear in mind though that the 80 mph sustained is the peak anywhere in
the storm, not the peak experienced on land. In Irene's case, the
strongest winds will be over water to the east of the eye so it is
likely the US East Coast (N Carolina excepted) will experience winds
quite a bit below this peak.

On Aug 27, 11:04*pm, Fonzy wrote:
winds up to 80mph, wowhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14690942

the scots must be laughing

thats a standard hoolie

och!

Just did a 24 hour precip request on weathonline for usa and got

Stations: Precipitation
Atlantic City (IAP) (20 m, New Jersey) 146.0 mm
Philadelphia (IAP) (9 m, Pennsylvania) 145.0 mm
New York/La Guardia (AP) (9 m, New York) 136.0 mm
Richmond/Byrd Field (AP) (54 m, Virginia) 131.0 mm


wow