On Sep 15, 10:22*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Sep 15, 9:07*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:





On Sep 15, 6:27*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 14, 7:16*pm, "Col" wrote:

Dawlish wrote:

Yes he did, checking back. I still think we deserve a reason why he
thinks this, as it just seems a bizarre position to take, in the face
of all the contrary predictions and the recent trend.

I suspect it's the Piers Corbyn approach. By the time it's
apparent what you've predicted couldn't possibly happen,
everybody has long since forgotten about it.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I think Lawrence has gone to ground.

In the meantime, the NSIDC has called the summer low. Second lowest in
the satellite series:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Blimey Paul its not a foxhunt and there is more than one model. Of
course they all will show a vey low level of arctic ice level in what
has been as far as any accuate records show. a lean few years. Howevr
all is well temps have flattened and sea levels fallen. *It's funny f
cold fusion is finally acheieved and energy revolutionised its all
going to be fantastically hunky dory as well as very interesting.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

?? Could someone interpret this post please? And could you, Lawrence,
now try to answer the question that you've been asked, instead of
constantly trying to dodge it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Even though I asked you to explain this on the other discussion, after
answering your "criticisms", you still avoid explaining what you have
said.

Why do you think Arctic sea ice will return to the 1979-2008 mean in
the next decade? I don't think any scientist agrees with you.
Certainly no-one in working in the area of the cryosphere does. I'm
not the only one waiting to read your explanation with interest.

On Sep 18, 7:59*am, Dawlish wrote:
On Sep 15, 10:22*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Sep 15, 9:07*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Sep 15, 6:27*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 14, 7:16*pm, "Col" wrote:

Dawlish wrote:

Yes he did, checking back. I still think we deserve a reason why he
thinks this, as it just seems a bizarre position to take, in the face
of all the contrary predictions and the recent trend.

I suspect it's the Piers Corbyn approach. By the time it's
apparent what you've predicted couldn't possibly happen,
everybody has long since forgotten about it.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I think Lawrence has gone to ground.

In the meantime, the NSIDC has called the summer low. Second lowest in
the satellite series:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Blimey Paul its not a foxhunt and there is more than one model. Of
course they all will show a vey low level of arctic ice level in what
has been as far as any accuate records show. a lean few years. Howevr
all is well temps have flattened and sea levels fallen. *It's funny f
cold fusion is finally acheieved and energy revolutionised its all
going to be fantastically hunky dory as well as very interesting.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

?? Could someone interpret this post please? And could you, Lawrence,
now try to answer the question that you've been asked, instead of
constantly trying to dodge it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Even though I asked you to explain this on the other discussion, after
answering your "criticisms", you still avoid explaining what you have
said.

Why do you think Arctic sea ice will return to the 1979-2008 mean in
the next decade? I don't think any scientist agrees with you.
Certainly no-one in working in the area of the cryosphere does. I'm
not the only one waiting to read your explanation with interest.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Natural cooling cycles Sun and Oceans .

Can I go now Sir?

On Sep 18, 11:09*am, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:59*am, Dawlish wrote:





On Sep 15, 10:22*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 15, 9:07*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Sep 15, 6:27*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 14, 7:16*pm, "Col" wrote:

Dawlish wrote:

Yes he did, checking back. I still think we deserve a reason why he
thinks this, as it just seems a bizarre position to take, in the face
of all the contrary predictions and the recent trend.

I suspect it's the Piers Corbyn approach. By the time it's
apparent what you've predicted couldn't possibly happen,
everybody has long since forgotten about it.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I think Lawrence has gone to ground.

In the meantime, the NSIDC has called the summer low. Second lowest in
the satellite series:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Blimey Paul its not a foxhunt and there is more than one model. Of
course they all will show a vey low level of arctic ice level in what
has been as far as any accuate records show. a lean few years. Howevr
all is well temps have flattened and sea levels fallen. *It's funny f
cold fusion is finally acheieved and energy revolutionised its all
going to be fantastically hunky dory as well as very interesting.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

?? Could someone interpret this post please? And could you, Lawrence,
now try to answer the question that you've been asked, instead of
constantly trying to dodge it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Even though I asked you to explain this on the other discussion, after
answering your "criticisms", you still avoid explaining what you have
said.

Why do you think Arctic sea ice will return to the 1979-2008 mean in
the next decade? I don't think any scientist agrees with you.
Certainly no-one in working in the area of the cryosphere does. I'm
not the only one waiting to read your explanation with interest.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Natural cooling cycles Sun and Oceans .

Can I go now Sir?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good that you've returned, I respect that (took some doing, but I do
respect it) but no you can't. I've got no idea what you mean by that
answer and "natural cycles" are just a cop-out. What "natural cooling
cycles", or combinations of them are going to lead to summer Arctic
sea ice recovering? Don't dodge by trying to sidetrack. Tell us what
you mean.

It looks as if there has been a faster seasonal return to ice increase
than in the dire year of 2007. Though looking at the overall Arctic
temperature charts I'm not quite sure why.

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

Cheers
James
--
James Brown

On Sep 18, 1:03*pm, James Brown
wrote:
It looks as if there has been a faster seasonal return to ice increase
than in the dire year of 2007. Though looking at the overall Arctic
temperature charts I'm not quite sure why.

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

Cheers
James
--
James Brown

Apart from the fact that there has been a downtick over the last 2
days *)) :

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

Don't be surprised to see fluctuations during the coming week. It
happens at this time. As you imply, increases, or decreases will be
down to local synoptics and temperature differences for a few days
yet, as ice is still melting in many areas, whereas in others, the
freeze has well and truly begun.

On Sep 18, 1:03*pm, James Brown
wrote:
It looks as if there has been a faster seasonal return to ice increase
than in the dire year of 2007. Though looking at the overall Arctic
temperature charts I'm not quite sure why.

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

Cheers
James
--
James Brown

Maybe winds above and sea currents below have a far greater influence
than just temperature. Actually the temps above 80 north have been
much lower than 2007 and have only risen sharply again the last couple
of days.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

On Sep 18, 12:04*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Sep 18, 11:09*am, Lawrence13 wrote:





On Sep 18, 7:59*am, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 15, 10:22*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 15, 9:07*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Sep 15, 6:27*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 14, 7:16*pm, "Col" wrote:

Dawlish wrote:

Yes he did, checking back. I still think we deserve a reason why he
thinks this, as it just seems a bizarre position to take, in the face
of all the contrary predictions and the recent trend.

I suspect it's the Piers Corbyn approach. By the time it's
apparent what you've predicted couldn't possibly happen,
everybody has long since forgotten about it.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I think Lawrence has gone to ground.

In the meantime, the NSIDC has called the summer low. Second lowest in
the satellite series:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Blimey Paul its not a foxhunt and there is more than one model. Of
course they all will show a vey low level of arctic ice level in what
has been as far as any accuate records show. a lean few years. Howevr
all is well temps have flattened and sea levels fallen. *It's funny f
cold fusion is finally acheieved and energy revolutionised its all
going to be fantastically hunky dory as well as very interesting.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

?? Could someone interpret this post please? And could you, Lawrence,
now try to answer the question that you've been asked, instead of
constantly trying to dodge it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Even though I asked you to explain this on the other discussion, after
answering your "criticisms", you still avoid explaining what you have
said.

Why do you think Arctic sea ice will return to the 1979-2008 mean in
the next decade? I don't think any scientist agrees with you.
Certainly no-one in working in the area of the cryosphere does. I'm
not the only one waiting to read your explanation with interest.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Natural cooling cycles Sun and Oceans .

Can I go now Sir?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good that you've returned, I respect that (took some doing, but I do
respect it) but no you can't. I've got no idea what you mean by that
answer and "natural cycles" are just a cop-out. What "natural cooling
cycles", or combinations of them are going to lead to summer Arctic
sea ice recovering? *Don't dodge by trying to sidetrack. Tell us what
you mean.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The same forces that have always varied our climate long before C02
was seen as an issue.

I'm off now as I have a note from me mum.

On Sep 15, 6:04*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Sep 15, 9:24*am, James Brown
wrote:





If you are going to express creationist ideas in a scientific
newsgroup; expect opposition and if people ever wish to propose that
dangerous (yes, dangerous) nonsense like this, that belongs in the
middle ages, should be taught in schools, expect people like me there
to put a stop to it before it takes root. There are particular ideas
that should not be encouraged. rcism is one; creationism is another.
You are lucky to be in a democracy that allows you to expound such
views*, but don't ever expect an easy ride if you do.

Ah well Paul, OTOH I count it a positive thing that your ability to
create a school of clones of your way of thinking is limited. You have
of course conveniently forgotten that you were the instigator of this
debate when you chose to drag the religious views of certain folk into a
tirade in this NG. And as long as open NG's exist then you are as likely
to find yourself challenged. If OTOH you could keep to the subject
matter of the charter then I think we would all benefit. However, I have
discovered very few folk who don't mind not having the last word -
probably including myself;-)

*As Voltaire said however and to paraphrase the great man's comment;
no matter how much I despise fundamentalist religious views and the
creationist view of evolution, I would fight to protect your right to
say it. That's how lucky you are to be in the UK.

I think that statement is contradictory - but there you go.

Regards,
James
--
James Brown

I am always happy to have the last word - or not. If my "clones" are
all the open-minded, non-creationists in the world, I'm very likely to
be in far better company that I would be in yours James - and many of
those aren't great! *))

Bye.- Hide quoted text -

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As you seem to have a hostility towards religion that means two
things you are an athiest a man to intelligent to believe in such
fairy tales or you have gone over to Satan. Hmmmm I know what I
think

On Sep 18, 2:03*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 18, 12:04*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Sep 18, 11:09*am, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Sep 18, 7:59*am, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 15, 10:22*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 15, 9:07*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Sep 15, 6:27*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 14, 7:16*pm, "Col" wrote:

Dawlish wrote:

Yes he did, checking back. I still think we deserve a reason why he
thinks this, as it just seems a bizarre position to take, in the face
of all the contrary predictions and the recent trend.

I suspect it's the Piers Corbyn approach. By the time it's
apparent what you've predicted couldn't possibly happen,
everybody has long since forgotten about it.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I think Lawrence has gone to ground.

In the meantime, the NSIDC has called the summer low. Second lowest in
the satellite series:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Blimey Paul its not a foxhunt and there is more than one model. Of
course they all will show a vey low level of arctic ice level in what
has been as far as any accuate records show. a lean few years. Howevr
all is well temps have flattened and sea levels fallen. *It's funny f
cold fusion is finally acheieved and energy revolutionised its all
going to be fantastically hunky dory as well as very interesting.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

?? Could someone interpret this post please? And could you, Lawrence,
now try to answer the question that you've been asked, instead of
constantly trying to dodge it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Even though I asked you to explain this on the other discussion, after
answering your "criticisms", you still avoid explaining what you have
said.

Why do you think Arctic sea ice will return to the 1979-2008 mean in
the next decade? I don't think any scientist agrees with you.
Certainly no-one in working in the area of the cryosphere does. I'm
not the only one waiting to read your explanation with interest.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Natural cooling cycles Sun and Oceans .

Can I go now Sir?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good that you've returned, I respect that (took some doing, but I do
respect it) but no you can't. I've got no idea what you mean by that
answer and "natural cycles" are just a cop-out. What "natural cooling
cycles", or combinations of them are going to lead to summer Arctic
sea ice recovering? *Don't dodge by trying to sidetrack. Tell us what
you mean.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The same forces that have always varied our climate long before C02
was seen as an issue.

I'm off now as I have a note from me mum.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Complete avoidance. To quote "natural factors" is a complete cop-out.
"natural factors" doesn't mean anything and all you are doing is
avoiding answering a question *yet again*. Why post nonsense like
"Arctic sea ice will return to average in the next few years" if you
have no idea why it will, except that you rather hope it will happen t
justify your beliefs. To believe something you've got to have a better
reason than "I think it will". Or maybe, in your case, that's enough.
Who knows?

On Sep 18, 2:06*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 15, 6:04*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Sep 15, 9:24*am, James Brown
wrote:

If you are going to express creationist ideas in a scientific
newsgroup; expect opposition and if people ever wish to propose that
dangerous (yes, dangerous) nonsense like this, that belongs in the
middle ages, should be taught in schools, expect people like me there
to put a stop to it before it takes root. There are particular ideas
that should not be encouraged. rcism is one; creationism is another.
You are lucky to be in a democracy that allows you to expound such
views*, but don't ever expect an easy ride if you do.

Ah well Paul, OTOH I count it a positive thing that your ability to
create a school of clones of your way of thinking is limited. You have
of course conveniently forgotten that you were the instigator of this
debate when you chose to drag the religious views of certain folk into a
tirade in this NG. And as long as open NG's exist then you are as likely
to find yourself challenged. If OTOH you could keep to the subject
matter of the charter then I think we would all benefit. However, I have
discovered very few folk who don't mind not having the last word -
probably including myself;-)

*As Voltaire said however and to paraphrase the great man's comment;
no matter how much I despise fundamentalist religious views and the
creationist view of evolution, I would fight to protect your right to
say it. That's how lucky you are to be in the UK.

I think that statement is contradictory - but there you go.

Regards,
James
--
James Brown

I am always happy to have the last word - or not. If my "clones" are
all the open-minded, non-creationists in the world, I'm very likely to
be in far better company that I would be in yours James - and many of
those aren't great! *))

Bye.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As you seem to have a hostility towards religion that means two
things *you are an athiest a man to intelligent to believe in such
fairy tales or you have gone over to Satan. * * Hmmmm I know what I
think- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Whatever you think has no relevance to anyone else. Since you
generally just make things up and then scribble them on here, who
would put any store by what you think?