On 12/10/11 19:56, Will Hand wrote:

"Col" wrote in message
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"Adrian" wrote in message
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On 2011-10-12, Will Hand wrote:
with a developing jet further south than normal due to fast cooling
Arctic
and other information that I cannot discuss here

Zis iz top secret information, clearly.

You're not going to let us in on it then, Will?

Will seems to relish being privvy to information he cannot discuss
openly.
While I fully understand that in his professional role there may
sometimes
be occasions some things can't be put into the public domain, then
surely it's
best not to mention it at all?

Sorry Will, but this all come across as a bit 'I've got a secret but I'm
not going to tell you'.


I'm getting sick to death that seemingly every time I come on here and
try and be helpful/informative then I get it in the throat. Sorry Col
but you come across as a very grumpy individual willing to find
fault/argue at the drop of a hat. No more information from me now on
here (apart from Haytor observations), I've had enough, and I do mean that.

Will

Oh dear, I hope not. I enjoy reading your long range outlooks and the
reasoning behind them.

On Oct 12, 8:23*pm, Paul Bartlett wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:08*pm, Adrian wrote:

On 2011-10-12, Will *Hand wrote:
Adrian, Still burning all the copies of The Daily Express I can find; should be recycling them I know, but it gives me great pleasure - little things. *Too early fo me to make an offering, I'm more November oriented for making an overall attempt; *last year caught me out on late issue though..

However I inderstand La Nina has died - bless her. *Pity though. Don't
like current English dryness either *- yes I do understand Norman's
Lament, but here (Rutland) and to the south the poverty-sticken
farmers are howling for rain to wet the little seeds they have just
drilled, pitiful really.
North Atlantic sector (D2 in my youth) seems to be getting into a
right tangle though (GFS 121200), this could change things for the
better. *Better still if happened in the winter. * Oh yes and the
sun's going out, suppose that may change things a tad.

So on the scant evidence I have so far I am also saying nowt, but I
have got a shed full of good logs in for the wood (also carpet and
cat) burner. *Renewable energy my foot - I thought trees were supposed
to take the nasty CO2 out the atmosphere, instead the EU subsidise the
'maintainence' of woodland - all right don't get on to me I do know a
little about forestry.

Cheers *Paul

A double-dip La Nina is quite likely, Paul and very likely, if you
take NOAAs view. (This Monday's update):

• La Niña conditions are present across the equatorial Pacific.
• Sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies have become increasingly
negative in the east-central equatorial Pacific Ocean.
• Atmospheric circulation anomalies are consistent with La Niña.
• La Niña is expected to strengthen and continue through the Northern
Hemisphere winter 2011-12.*

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/product...-fcsts-web.pdf

We have now had 17 consecutive months of below average temperatures in
the equatorial Pacific (scroll through the PowerPoint slides) and La
Nina conditiions now and for much of that time, yet global
temperatures have remained in the top 10 for almost every month, by
all 5 temperature series, through that period. Hence my question to
Lawrence: "why is it so warm".

PS If Lawrence ever attempts an answer to that, it would be at odds
with every scientific institution in the world, but hey ho! Lawrence
knows best.

On Oct 12, 8:27*pm, Adam Lea wrote:
On 12/10/11 19:56, Will Hand wrote:







"Col" wrote in message
...

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On 2011-10-12, Will Hand wrote:
with a developing jet further south than normal due to fast cooling
Arctic
and other information that I cannot discuss here

Zis iz top secret information, clearly.

You're not going to let us in on it then, Will?

Will seems to relish being privvy to information he cannot discuss
openly.
While I fully understand that in his professional role there may
sometimes
be occasions some things can't be put into the public domain, then
surely it's
best not to mention it at all?

Sorry Will, but this all come across as a bit 'I've got a secret but I'm
not going to tell you'.

I'm getting sick to death that seemingly every time I come on here and
try and be helpful/informative then I get it in the throat. Sorry Col
but you come across as a very grumpy individual willing to find
fault/argue at the drop of a hat. No more information from me now on
here (apart from Haytor observations), I've had enough, and I do mean that.

Will

Oh dear, I hope not. I enjoy reading your long range outlooks and the
reasoning behind them.- Hide quoted text -

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I do too; even though I don't believe the confidence that he has in
those forecasts is justified, whatever the reasoning (which is always
interesting, I agree) and I have challenged the usefulness of those
forecasts through documenting their lack of outcome accuracy, but
Col's right and it is posts similar to yours, which Will always hopes
will follow his occasional fits of pique at even the mildest of
criticism. *))

Come on Will. Don't be silly. No-one can forecast the winter season in
the UK with accuracy, not even the MetO. We know that, so just post
your forecast with every other hopeful's and no-one will hold your
particular lack of accuracy against you. your forecast is not special,
you get lucky sometimes and there's no need to take umbrage about
being it being monitored and it being wrong and no need to think
you've been brilliant in getting it occasionally right!

you know best , as always, stalking again

i think lawrence should get a restraining order

reported to mr google


On 12/10/2011 9:36 PM, Dawlish wrote:


PS If Lawrence ever attempts an answer to that, it would be at odds
with every scientific institution in the world, but hey ho! Lawrence
knows best.

hmmm.
the "col and dullish" tag team double teaming good ole Will.
the 2 greatest "we are always right" forces combine on u.s.w

i should superplex your asses out of here, but giving col and dullish a
irish whip might knock their knickers off
i hope you all land on your external occipital protuberance


On 12/10/2011 8:10 PM, Col wrote:

Well sod you, then.
You know it's right what they about you on here, you *are* smug.

welcome back

On 12/10/2011 8:23 PM, Paul Bartlett wrote:


So on the scant evidence I have so far I am also saying nowt, but I
have got a shed full of good logs in for the wood (also carpet and
cat) burner. Renewable energy my foot - I thought trees were supposed
to take the nasty CO2 out the atmosphere, instead the EU subsidise the
'maintainence' of woodland - all right don't get on to me I do know a
little about forestry.

Cheers Paul

On Oct 12, 9:47*pm, Dawlish wrote:

No-one can forecast the winter season in
the UK with accuracy, not even the MetO.

Anyone else got a terrible feeling of deja vu?

Richard

On 12/10/11 20:23, Paul Bartlett wrote:

So on the scant evidence I have so far I am also saying nowt, but I
have got a shed full of good logs in for the wood (also carpet and
cat) burner. Renewable energy my foot - I thought trees were supposed
to take the nasty CO2 out the atmosphere, instead the EU subsidise the
'maintainence' of woodland - all right don't get on to me I do know a
little about forestry.


Well if you don't maintain the woodland then what are you going to fuel
your woodburner with? :-)

Hi Will,
I posted a thank you, but I don't see it on here. I hope you can keep posting on here. If not, maybe you could send out warnings and thoughts by email? I for one am happy to pay for such a service. With retirement looming, maybe you could start a monthly email news letter to supplement your web site.. we need as much information as possible to prepare for the future. I do some weather routing for friends sailing the oceans, and I do have someone planning to leave the U.K for the Caribbean in November, so your prognosis is invaluable when planning ahead. It looks as if it might be difficult to safely sail close to the Portuguese coast if we have lows thundering through at unusually southern latitudes.

Mike McMillan

Dawlish wrote:

I do too; even though I don't believe the confidence that he has in
those forecasts is justified, whatever the reasoning (which is always
interesting, I agree) and I have challenged the usefulness of those
forecasts through documenting their lack of outcome accuracy, but
Col's right and it is posts similar to yours, which Will always hopes
will follow his occasional fits of pique at even the mildest of
criticism. *))

He'll be back.
People who flounce out of newsgroups like that always are.
Must admit though, I thought Will would have developed a thicker skin
after all his years on Usenet to what was essentially pretty mild criticism.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl