winter forecast anyone?
 

Will? Paul Bartlett? Joe *******i? Anyone? 40 kw new wood gasification boiler with 2000 litre heat store arriving next week. Hoping to cut wood consumption down from 30 tons to 12. And get paid for it|!! Renewable heat incentive kicks in next year...)
Mike McMillan

(from a very dry Isle of Wight, only 357 mm so far this year. average over 800. Still, been very good for my pv panels, earned me £1500 so far this year...)

winter forecast anyone?
 

On 11/10/2011 9:03 PM, Mike McMillan wrote:
Will? Paul Bartlett? Joe *******i? Anyone?

40 kw new wood gasification boiler with 2000 litre heat store arriving
next week. Hoping to cut wood consumption down from 30 tons to 12. And
get paid for it|!! Renewable heat incentive kicks in next year...)
Mike McMillan

(from a very dry Isle of Wight,

only 357 mm so far this year. average over 800. Still, been very good
for my pv panels, earned me £1500 so far this year...)

winter forecast anyone?
 

4th cold one in a row. probably with one exceptional period.

On 11/10/2011 9:03 PM, Mike McMillan wrote:
Will? Paul Bartlett? Joe *******i?

Anyone? 40 kw new wood gasification boiler with 2000 litre heat store
arriving next week. Hoping to cut wood consumption down from 30 tons to
12. And get paid for it|!! Renewable heat incentive kicks in next year...)
Mike McMillan

(from a very dry Isle of Wight, only 357 mm so far this year. average over 800. Still, been very good for my pv panels, earned me £1500 so far this year...)

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 11, 9:03*pm, Mike McMillan wrote:
Will? Paul Bartlett? Joe *******i? Anyone? 40 kw new wood gasification boiler with 2000 litre heat store arriving next week. Hoping to cut wood consumption down from 30 tons to 12. And get paid for it|!! Renewable heat incentive kicks in next year...)
Mike McMillan

(from a very dry Isle of Wight, only 357 mm so far this year. average over 800. Still, been very good for my pv panels, earned me £1500 so far this year...)

Coldest winter for 30 years, as I've already said. Nailed on. And if
it doesn't happen, I never said that and I'll sue anyone who says I
did.

*))

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 11, 9:03*pm, Mike McMillan wrote:
Will? Paul Bartlett? Joe *******i? Anyone? 40 kw new wood gasification boiler with 2000 litre heat store arriving next week. Hoping to cut wood consumption down from 30 tons to 12. And get paid for it|!! Renewable heat incentive kicks in next year...)
Mike McMillan

(from a very dry Isle of Wight, only 357 mm so far this year. average over 800. Still, been very good for my pv panels, earned me £1500 so far this year...)

Well very likely at December will not be as cold as last year and a
reasonable chance that February will be cooler and drier than last
winter.
This is not a forecast just they were way off normal last winter.

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 11, 9:03*pm, Mike McMillan wrote:
Will? Paul Bartlett? Joe *******i? Anyone? 40 kw new wood gasification boiler with 2000 litre heat store arriving next week. Hoping to cut wood consumption down from 30 tons to 12. And get paid for it|!! Renewable heat incentive kicks in next year...)
Mike McMillan

(from a very dry Isle of Wight, only 357 mm so far this year. average over 800. Still, been very good for my pv panels, earned me £1500 so far this year...)

So you run a narrow-gauge third-world steam locomotive. 30
tons of wood is enough to get you from The Cape to Cairo with a modest
load. I do hope your engine has a spark arrestor because setting fire
to The Dark Continent could have political implications these days.
As for your positive-vorticity panels, what do they do?
Logically they should suck and swirl, like a Dyson.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

winter forecast anyone?
 

Certainly third world, very leaky drafty Queen Victoria building yards from the sea. Have managed to pour some insulation granules into the cavity wall, so should help.

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:44 -0700, Mike McMillan wrote:

Will? Paul Bartlett? Joe *******i? Anyone? 40 kw new wood gasification
boiler with 2000 litre heat store arriving next week. Hoping to cut wood
consumption down from 30 tons to 12. And get paid for it|!! Renewable
heat incentive kicks in next year...) Mike McMillan

Atlantic SST anomalies have warm water south of 40N with a cold band from
Newfoundland to Ireland. This suggests more westerly weather than usual.
However, as I've said before, this time of year seems to be subject to
relatively rapid changes in SST patterns and I'll probably have to wait
to the end of November before having any confidence in issuing an SST-
based winter forecast - and probably not even then. ;-)


--
Graham Davis, Bracknell
Whilst it's true that money can't buy you happiness, at least you can
be miserable in comfort.
Newsreader for Windows, Mac, Unix family: http://pan.rebelbase.com/

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On Oct 12, 1:34*am, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Oct 11, 9:03*pm, Mike McMillan wrote:

Will? Paul Bartlett? Joe *******i? Anyone? 40 kw new wood gasification boiler with 2000 litre heat store arriving next week. Hoping to cut wood consumption down from 30 tons to 12. And get paid for it|!! Renewable heat incentive kicks in next year...)
Mike McMillan

(from a very dry Isle of Wight, only 357 mm so far this year. average over 800. Still, been very good for my pv panels, earned me £1500 so far this year...)

* * * *So you run a narrow-gauge third-world steam locomotive. *30
tons of wood is enough to get you from The Cape to Cairo with a modest
load. *I do hope your engine has a spark arrestor because setting fire
to The Dark Continent could have political implications these days.
* * * *As for your positive-vorticity panels, what do they do?
Logically they should suck and swirl, like a Dyson.

Won't the fire go out when he goes out?

I imagine he would get more than his feet plates wet leaving the Isle
of Wight in a train.

Some interesting phases coming up. I wonder how they will add to what
is already entrained.
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/phase/phases2001.html

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 12, 8:02*am, Mike McMillan wrote:
Certainly third world, very leaky drafty Queen Victoria building yards from the sea. Have managed to pour some insulation granules into the cavity wall, so should help.

They had cavity walls in Victorian times?
Must discuss...

winter forecast anyone?
 

Weatherlawyer wrote:

On Oct 12, 8:02 am, Mike McMillan wrote:
Certainly third world, very leaky drafty Queen Victoria building yards
from the sea. Have managed to pour some insulation granules into the
cavity wall, so should help.

They had cavity walls in Victorian times?
Must discuss...

Yes.
--
Tim Watts

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 12, 5:18*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Oct 12, 8:02*am, Mike McMillan wrote:

Certainly third world, very leaky drafty Queen Victoria building yards from the sea. Have managed to pour some insulation granules into the cavity wall, so should help.

They had cavity walls in Victorian times?
Must discuss...

Some of them.

winter forecast anyone?
 

"Mike McMillan" wrote in message
news:9056498.43.1318363424535.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
Will? Paul Bartlett? Joe *******i? Anyone? 40 kw new wood gasification
boiler with 2000 litre heat store arriving next week. Hoping to cut wood
consumption down from 30 tons to 12. And get paid for it|!! Renewable heat
incentive kicks in next year...)
Mike McMillan

(from a very dry Isle of Wight, only 357 mm so far this year. average over
800. Still, been very good for my pv panels, earned me £1500 so far this
year...)

==========================

Hi Mike, my gut feel at present is for a stormy and cold November leading
into a coldish and wet December. Unlikely to be as cold as last year, but
with a developing jet further south than normal due to fast cooling Arctic
and other information that I cannot discuss here, you never know. January
and February would be pure guesswork at this stage to be honest, but I would
put money on yet another mildish February. January probably a mixed bag.

Eskimo Will
--

winter forecast anyone?
 

Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Oct 12, 8:02 am, Mike McMillan wrote:
Certainly third world, very leaky drafty Queen Victoria building yards from the sea. Have managed to pour some insulation granules into the cavity wall, so should help.

They had cavity walls in Victorian times?
Must discuss...

It was not unknown, no.

Especially in very wet places where the outer wall could get damp and
not affect the interior.

It has been more or less STANDARD since the 50's.

I cant recall when it became COMPULSORY.

winter forecast anyone?
 

On 2011-10-12, Will Hand wrote:
with a developing jet further south than normal due to fast cooling Arctic
and other information that I cannot discuss here

Zis iz top secret information, clearly.

You're not going to let us in on it then, Will?

Adrian

winter forecast anyone?
 

Yes, this was designed by Prince Albert and built in 1885. Unfortunately, the cold air circulating behind the warm inner brick skin had condensation pouring down the walls and black mould everywhere. Hoping the insulation has sorted it.

winter forecast anyone?
 

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On 2011-10-12, Will Hand wrote:
with a developing jet further south than normal due to fast cooling
Arctic
and other information that I cannot discuss here

Zis iz top secret information, clearly.

You're not going to let us in on it then, Will?

Will seems to relish being privvy to information he cannot discuss openly.
While I fully understand that in his professional role there may sometimes
be occasions some things can't be put into the public domain, then surely
it's
best not to mention it at all?

Sorry Will, but this all come across as a bit 'I've got a secret but I'm
not going to tell you'.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

winter forecast anyone?
 

"Col" wrote in message
...

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On 2011-10-12, Will Hand wrote:
with a developing jet further south than normal due to fast cooling
Arctic
and other information that I cannot discuss here

Zis iz top secret information, clearly.

You're not going to let us in on it then, Will?

Will seems to relish being privvy to information he cannot discuss openly.
While I fully understand that in his professional role there may sometimes
be occasions some things can't be put into the public domain, then surely
it's
best not to mention it at all?

Sorry Will, but this all come across as a bit 'I've got a secret but I'm
not going to tell you'.


I'm getting sick to death that seemingly every time I come on here and try
and be helpful/informative then I get it in the throat. Sorry Col but you
come across as a very grumpy individual willing to find fault/argue at the
drop of a hat. No more information from me now on here (apart from Haytor
observations), I've had enough, and I do mean that.

Will
--

winter forecast anyone?
 

"Will Hand" wrote in message
...

"Col" wrote in message
...

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On 2011-10-12, Will Hand wrote:
with a developing jet further south than normal due to fast cooling
Arctic
and other information that I cannot discuss here

Zis iz top secret information, clearly.

You're not going to let us in on it then, Will?

Will seems to relish being privvy to information he cannot discuss
openly.
While I fully understand that in his professional role there may
sometimes
be occasions some things can't be put into the public domain, then surely
it's
best not to mention it at all?

Sorry Will, but this all come across as a bit 'I've got a secret but I'm
not going to tell you'.


I'm getting sick to death that seemingly every time I come on here and try
and be helpful/informative then I get it in the throat. Sorry Col but you
come across as a very grumpy individual willing to find fault/argue at the
drop of a hat. No more information from me now on here (apart from Haytor
observations), I've had enough, and I do mean that.

Well sod you, then.
You know it's right what they about you on here, you *are* smug.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 12, 7:08*pm, Adrian wrote:
On 2011-10-12, Will *Hand wrote:
Adrian, Still burning all the copies of The Daily Express I can find; should be recycling them I know, but it gives me great pleasure - little things. Too early fo me to make an offering, I'm more November oriented for making an overall attempt; last year caught me out on late issue though.

However I inderstand La Nina has died - bless her. Pity though. Don't
like current English dryness either - yes I do understand Norman's
Lament, but here (Rutland) and to the south the poverty-sticken
farmers are howling for rain to wet the little seeds they have just
drilled, pitiful really.
North Atlantic sector (D2 in my youth) seems to be getting into a
right tangle though (GFS 121200), this could change things for the
better. Better still if happened in the winter. Oh yes and the
sun's going out, suppose that may change things a tad.

So on the scant evidence I have so far I am also saying nowt, but I
have got a shed full of good logs in for the wood (also carpet and
cat) burner. Renewable energy my foot - I thought trees were supposed
to take the nasty CO2 out the atmosphere, instead the EU subsidise the
'maintainence' of woodland - all right don't get on to me I do know a
little about forestry.

Cheers Paul

winter forecast anyone?
 

On 12/10/11 19:56, Will Hand wrote:

"Col" wrote in message
...

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On 2011-10-12, Will Hand wrote:
with a developing jet further south than normal due to fast cooling
Arctic
and other information that I cannot discuss here

Zis iz top secret information, clearly.

You're not going to let us in on it then, Will?

Will seems to relish being privvy to information he cannot discuss
openly.
While I fully understand that in his professional role there may
sometimes
be occasions some things can't be put into the public domain, then
surely it's
best not to mention it at all?

Sorry Will, but this all come across as a bit 'I've got a secret but I'm
not going to tell you'.


I'm getting sick to death that seemingly every time I come on here and
try and be helpful/informative then I get it in the throat. Sorry Col
but you come across as a very grumpy individual willing to find
fault/argue at the drop of a hat. No more information from me now on
here (apart from Haytor observations), I've had enough, and I do mean that.

Will

Oh dear, I hope not. I enjoy reading your long range outlooks and the
reasoning behind them.

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 12, 8:23*pm, Paul Bartlett wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:08*pm, Adrian wrote:

On 2011-10-12, Will *Hand wrote:
Adrian, Still burning all the copies of The Daily Express I can find; should be recycling them I know, but it gives me great pleasure - little things. *Too early fo me to make an offering, I'm more November oriented for making an overall attempt; *last year caught me out on late issue though..

However I inderstand La Nina has died - bless her. *Pity though. Don't
like current English dryness either *- yes I do understand Norman's
Lament, but here (Rutland) and to the south the poverty-sticken
farmers are howling for rain to wet the little seeds they have just
drilled, pitiful really.
North Atlantic sector (D2 in my youth) seems to be getting into a
right tangle though (GFS 121200), this could change things for the
better. *Better still if happened in the winter. * Oh yes and the
sun's going out, suppose that may change things a tad.

So on the scant evidence I have so far I am also saying nowt, but I
have got a shed full of good logs in for the wood (also carpet and
cat) burner. *Renewable energy my foot - I thought trees were supposed
to take the nasty CO2 out the atmosphere, instead the EU subsidise the
'maintainence' of woodland - all right don't get on to me I do know a
little about forestry.

Cheers *Paul

A double-dip La Nina is quite likely, Paul and very likely, if you
take NOAAs view. (This Monday's update):

• La Niña conditions are present across the equatorial Pacific.
• Sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies have become increasingly
negative in the east-central equatorial Pacific Ocean.
• Atmospheric circulation anomalies are consistent with La Niña.
• La Niña is expected to strengthen and continue through the Northern
Hemisphere winter 2011-12.*

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/product...-fcsts-web.pdf

We have now had 17 consecutive months of below average temperatures in
the equatorial Pacific (scroll through the PowerPoint slides) and La
Nina conditiions now and for much of that time, yet global
temperatures have remained in the top 10 for almost every month, by
all 5 temperature series, through that period. Hence my question to
Lawrence: "why is it so warm".

PS If Lawrence ever attempts an answer to that, it would be at odds
with every scientific institution in the world, but hey ho! Lawrence
knows best.

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 12, 8:27*pm, Adam Lea wrote:
On 12/10/11 19:56, Will Hand wrote:







"Col" wrote in message
...

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On 2011-10-12, Will Hand wrote:
with a developing jet further south than normal due to fast cooling
Arctic
and other information that I cannot discuss here

Zis iz top secret information, clearly.

You're not going to let us in on it then, Will?

Will seems to relish being privvy to information he cannot discuss
openly.
While I fully understand that in his professional role there may
sometimes
be occasions some things can't be put into the public domain, then
surely it's
best not to mention it at all?

Sorry Will, but this all come across as a bit 'I've got a secret but I'm
not going to tell you'.

I'm getting sick to death that seemingly every time I come on here and
try and be helpful/informative then I get it in the throat. Sorry Col
but you come across as a very grumpy individual willing to find
fault/argue at the drop of a hat. No more information from me now on
here (apart from Haytor observations), I've had enough, and I do mean that.

Will

Oh dear, I hope not. I enjoy reading your long range outlooks and the
reasoning behind them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do too; even though I don't believe the confidence that he has in
those forecasts is justified, whatever the reasoning (which is always
interesting, I agree) and I have challenged the usefulness of those
forecasts through documenting their lack of outcome accuracy, but
Col's right and it is posts similar to yours, which Will always hopes
will follow his occasional fits of pique at even the mildest of
criticism. *))

Come on Will. Don't be silly. No-one can forecast the winter season in
the UK with accuracy, not even the MetO. We know that, so just post
your forecast with every other hopeful's and no-one will hold your
particular lack of accuracy against you. your forecast is not special,
you get lucky sometimes and there's no need to take umbrage about
being it being monitored and it being wrong and no need to think
you've been brilliant in getting it occasionally right!

winter forecast anyone?
 

you know best , as always, stalking again

i think lawrence should get a restraining order

reported to mr google


On 12/10/2011 9:36 PM, Dawlish wrote:


PS If Lawrence ever attempts an answer to that, it would be at odds
with every scientific institution in the world, but hey ho! Lawrence
knows best.

winter forecast anyone?
 

hmmm.
the "col and dullish" tag team double teaming good ole Will.
the 2 greatest "we are always right" forces combine on u.s.w

i should superplex your asses out of here, but giving col and dullish a
irish whip might knock their knickers off
i hope you all land on your external occipital protuberance


On 12/10/2011 8:10 PM, Col wrote:

Well sod you, then.
You know it's right what they about you on here, you *are* smug.

winter forecast anyone?
 

welcome back

On 12/10/2011 8:23 PM, Paul Bartlett wrote:


So on the scant evidence I have so far I am also saying nowt, but I
have got a shed full of good logs in for the wood (also carpet and
cat) burner. Renewable energy my foot - I thought trees were supposed
to take the nasty CO2 out the atmosphere, instead the EU subsidise the
'maintainence' of woodland - all right don't get on to me I do know a
little about forestry.

Cheers Paul

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 12, 9:47*pm, Dawlish wrote:

No-one can forecast the winter season in
the UK with accuracy, not even the MetO.

Anyone else got a terrible feeling of deja vu?

Richard

winter forecast anyone?
 

On 12/10/11 20:23, Paul Bartlett wrote:

So on the scant evidence I have so far I am also saying nowt, but I
have got a shed full of good logs in for the wood (also carpet and
cat) burner. Renewable energy my foot - I thought trees were supposed
to take the nasty CO2 out the atmosphere, instead the EU subsidise the
'maintainence' of woodland - all right don't get on to me I do know a
little about forestry.


Well if you don't maintain the woodland then what are you going to fuel
your woodburner with? :-)

winter forecast anyone?
 

Hi Will,
I posted a thank you, but I don't see it on here. I hope you can keep posting on here. If not, maybe you could send out warnings and thoughts by email? I for one am happy to pay for such a service. With retirement looming, maybe you could start a monthly email news letter to supplement your web site.. we need as much information as possible to prepare for the future. I do some weather routing for friends sailing the oceans, and I do have someone planning to leave the U.K for the Caribbean in November, so your prognosis is invaluable when planning ahead. It looks as if it might be difficult to safely sail close to the Portuguese coast if we have lows thundering through at unusually southern latitudes.

Mike McMillan

winter forecast anyone?
 

Dawlish wrote:

I do too; even though I don't believe the confidence that he has in
those forecasts is justified, whatever the reasoning (which is always
interesting, I agree) and I have challenged the usefulness of those
forecasts through documenting their lack of outcome accuracy, but
Col's right and it is posts similar to yours, which Will always hopes
will follow his occasional fits of pique at even the mildest of
criticism. *))

He'll be back.
People who flounce out of newsgroups like that always are.
Must admit though, I thought Will would have developed a thicker skin
after all his years on Usenet to what was essentially pretty mild criticism.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

winter forecast anyone?
 

Great to see you back Paul, I too am massing a large store of wood. I now have a hydraulic log splitter attached to the digger. Fantastic! I am getting a bit old for splitting by hand. The trees fall down faster than I can cut them up. I'm lucky.

Mike McMillan

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 at 20:27:36, Adam Lea wrote
in uk.sci.weather :

On 12/10/11 19:56, Will Hand wrote:


I'm getting sick to death that seemingly every time I come on here and
try and be helpful/informative then I get it in the throat. Sorry Col
but you come across as a very grumpy individual willing to find
fault/argue at the drop of a hat. No more information from me now on
here (apart from Haytor observations), I've had enough, and I do mean that.

Will

Oh dear, I hope not. I enjoy reading your long range outlooks and the
reasoning behind them.

Me too.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 13, 12:03*am, Richard Dixon wrote:
On Oct 12, 9:47*pm, Dawlish wrote:



No-one can forecast the winter season in
the UK with accuracy, not even the MetO.

Anyone else got a terrible feeling of deja vu?

Richard

That, Richard, is because the above statement is correct. The fact
that you don't like the fact that it is correct, is neither here, nor
there, I'm afraid. *))

winter forecast anyone?
 

"Mike McMillan" wrote in message
news:4894453.950.1318483697106.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbdd1...
Hi Will,
I posted a thank you, but I don't see it on here. I hope you can keep
posting on here. If not, maybe you could send out warnings and thoughts by
email? I for one am happy to pay for such a service. With retirement
looming, maybe you could start a monthly email news letter to supplement
your web site. we need as much information as possible to prepare for the
future. I do some weather routing for friends sailing the oceans, and I do
have someone planning to leave the U.K for the Caribbean in November, so
your prognosis is invaluable when planning ahead. It looks as if it might be
difficult to safely sail close to the Portuguese coast if we have lows
thundering through at unusually southern latitudes.

Mike McMillan
==================

Hi Mike, I didn't see anything. When I retire I'll be expanding my website
to include outlooks for "interesting weather" nationally. I have helped my
neighbours in the past with overseas trips, and one grateful neighbour gave
me a trailer load of logs as a thank you. I seek no monetary reward, just
the pleasure of knowing that I have helped people in some small way.

Take care,

Will
--

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 13, 7:03*am, Dawlish wrote:

That, Richard, is because the above statement is correct. The fact
that you don't like the fact that it is correct, is neither here, nor
there, I'm afraid. *))

Where, pray tell, have I said - or ever said that I "don't like the
fact"? I've only ever questioned your use of statistics in your
accuracy measurement.

You wheel this quote out on a weekly, nay, daily basis. We all know
that you think this: what did you think you'd gain from saying it
quite possibly the thousandth time on here?

Richard

winter forecast anyone?
 

In article ,
Col writes:

He'll be back.

I hope so. It's sad when two people, both of whom are among the more
constructive posters to this newsgroup, fall out.

People who flounce out of newsgroups like that always are.
Must admit though, I thought Will would have developed a thicker skin
after all his years on Usenet to what was essentially pretty mild criticism.

It was a bit of a surprise, given that he's dealt with good humour with
much worse in the past. Perhaps he was just having a bad day, or perhaps
this was the final - quite light - straw that broke the camel's back.
--
John Hall
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw

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In article ,
OBee1Kanobee writes:
you know best , as always, stalking again

i think lawrence should get a restraining order

reported to mr google

What!? Whatever you may think of his trenchantly expressed opinions,
I've never seen Dawlish post anything that could be classed as Net
abuse. And he doesn't keep on changing his online identity to evade
people's killfiles. You on the other hand...
--
John Hall
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw

winter forecast anyone?
 

"Will Hand" wrote in message ...


"Mike McMillan" wrote in message
news:4894453.950.1318483697106.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbdd1...
Hi Will,
I posted a thank you, but I don't see it on here. I hope you can keep
posting on here. If not, maybe you could send out warnings and thoughts by
email? I for one am happy to pay for such a service. With retirement
looming, maybe you could start a monthly email news letter to supplement
your web site. we need as much information as possible to prepare for the
future. I do some weather routing for friends sailing the oceans, and I do
have someone planning to leave the U.K for the Caribbean in November, so
your prognosis is invaluable when planning ahead. It looks as if it might be
difficult to safely sail close to the Portuguese coast if we have lows
thundering through at unusually southern latitudes.

Mike McMillan
==================

Hi Mike, I didn't see anything. When I retire I'll be expanding my website
to include outlooks for "interesting weather" nationally. I have helped my
neighbours in the past with overseas trips, and one grateful neighbour gave
me a trailer load of logs as a thank you. I seek no monetary reward, just
the pleasure of knowing that I have helped people in some small way.

Take care,

Will
--


=======================

Oh, you have helped Will (me anyhow), sad if you don't post more - I would
really like to pick your brains sometime about Dartmoor if I can drop you a
line sometime?

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 12, 9:36*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Oct 12, 8:23*pm, Paul Bartlett wrote:





On Oct 12, 7:08*pm, Adrian wrote:

On 2011-10-12, Will *Hand wrote:
Adrian, Still burning all the copies of The Daily Express I can find; should be recycling them I know, but it gives me great pleasure - little things. *Too early fo me to make an offering, I'm more November oriented for making an overall attempt; *last year caught me out on late issue though.

However I inderstand La Nina has died - bless her. *Pity though. Don't
like current English dryness either *- yes I do understand Norman's
Lament, but here (Rutland) and to the south the poverty-sticken
farmers are howling for rain to wet the little seeds they have just
drilled, pitiful really.
North Atlantic sector (D2 in my youth) seems to be getting into a
right tangle though (GFS 121200), this could change things for the
better. *Better still if happened in the winter. * Oh yes and the
sun's going out, suppose that may change things a tad.

So on the scant evidence I have so far I am also saying nowt, but I
have got a shed full of good logs in for the wood (also carpet and
cat) burner. *Renewable energy my foot - I thought trees were supposed
to take the nasty CO2 out the atmosphere, instead the EU subsidise the
'maintainence' of woodland - all right don't get on to me I do know a
little about forestry.

Cheers *Paul

A double-dip La Nina is quite likely, Paul and very likely, if you
take NOAAs view. (This Monday's update):

• La Niña conditions are present across the equatorial Pacific.
• Sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies have become increasingly
negative in the east-central equatorial Pacific Ocean.
• Atmospheric circulation anomalies are consistent with La Niña.
• La Niña is expected to strengthen and continue through the Northern
Hemisphere winter 2011-12.*

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/product...ng/lanina/enso...

We have now had 17 consecutive months of below average temperatures in
the equatorial Pacific (scroll through the PowerPoint slides) and La
Nina conditiions now and for much of that time, yet global
temperatures have remained in the top 10 for almost every month, by
all 5 temperature series, through that period. Hence my question to
Lawrence: "why is it so warm".

PS If Lawrence ever attempts an answer to that, it would be at odds
with every scientific institution in the world, but hey ho! Lawrence
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Thanks a lot for that. Cheers me up a bit,am a cold winter man
despite my great age and decrepitude.
Always celebrate a cold spell in winter by walking (hobbling) half a
mile to get a pint of real ale. That is what we formed the group for,
eaons ago, i.e the education of us all. Anyway may have a hobble down
to the Winsome Worm anyway. Incidently I gor the impression of La
Nina's demise from the press and the ecmwf seasonal.
Cheers Paul

winter forecast anyone?
 

On Oct 12, 7:56*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Col" wrote in message


I've had enough, and I do mean that.

Will


Will,

As one who has a lot of interest in matters wx but without as much
knowledge as I would like, I hope you might reconsider your decision.
I look forward to reading your views, alongside those of other notable
and similarly knowledgeable contributers. Personally, I overlook the
'fluff' - as I'm sure many others do. I think it would be sad if
another talented individual would be lost to this newsgroup - if this
must happen, then it will continue its downward trajectory towards a
glee club with little to nothing to do with weather. I am certainly
not against humorous posts and a bit of banter, but sometimes enough
is enough.

Thanks again Will.

Jay.