On 01/12/2011 20:50, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Col wrote:
Dave Cornwell wrote:
Clarkson is a wind-up merchant. He's been doing this for years.
And people never learn do they, and end up taking him seriously.
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Just call me sensitive. Certain phrases like taking them outside and
having them shot in front of their families is the issue. That is a
very poignant and emotive scenario for Jewish people, people from
parts of Africa and Cambodia, some who have been forced to take
refuge in what is generally a decent country like ours. I could have
lived with it if he hadn't have added "the in front of their
families" bit. What sort of human mind would think like that?
I wouldn't go into someone's house and say "glad your mum died, she
was an old cow anyway" then say - sorry I was only joking, just my
sense of humour, what's the matter with you, taking me seriously like
that!

If you actally watch the footage you will see that is was so
very obviously a tongue in cheek joke in a very typical
Jeremy Clarkson type fashion of a complete over-reaction
to something. It would have been diffeent if he had made
the comments specifically about Jews, for example.
I know the issue might be emotive to some but if you look
hard enough you will find people who will be offended at
just about anything......
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I appreciate that but really you are saying anything goes if the person
doesn't mean it. Again, late night maybe, but The One Show is on at 7pm
and as such it has items about wildlife, gadgets even the weather. Just
the reason my 9 year old grandson sometimes watches it. My daughter is
old fashioned in that she tries to encourage him to be kind and respect
other people. There was a time when disabled people were called
"spastics" and there was no real intent that it meant that but it still
wasn't nice.
Dave


That's the difference between living in an open society were there is
the cut and thrust of constructive argument and a "liberal" dictatorship
were if anyone speaks out of line of the "liberal" orthodoxy they are
smeared with such words as racist, sexist et al.

In message , Dave Cornwell
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Col wrote:
"Alan LeHun" wrote in message
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In article ,
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Jeremy Clarkson - not !!
He'd be too busy rubbing his hands with glee I would have thought. What
I want to know is how JC knew that the peeps at the very top of one of
the UK's major unions could be so gullible and naive.

JC know's exactly what he's doing. I can only surmise that the next
series of TG starts soon.

Clarkson is a wind-up merchant. He's been doing this for years.
And people never learn do they, and end up taking him seriously.
Getting the police involved for heaven's sake, what an idiot this
union leader is!
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Personally, I've always found him a childish, arrogant little ****.
It's always a nice feeling when someone proves you right!
..

Too right he's the epitome of an arrogant ****. Sadly for those of who
live here, he's bought a holiday home on the island. A former lighthouse
property right on the coast, in a beauty spot and area which
walkers/fishermen/wildlife watchers etc. have visited for donkeys years.
Long before that particular **** drew his first unwelcome breath.

The first thing Mr **** did was to erect a fence across a public
footpath to keep walkers away from his property and block access to the
coast path. He doesn't like plebs being anywhere near him apparently,
when he's in residence for the one week or so a year he pollutes the
place. There's been government inquiries several court cases, all of
which have ruled against Mr ****, being true to his type, Tory and a
****. He continues with spurious court appeals, he is in the wrong yet
insists on continuing with the legal actions. Much to my surprise the
government have decided to take him on, nonetheless Mr **** is not our
most popular 'new' occasional resident.

Believe me rich ****s abound here but Clarkson is rapidly gaining a
place well up the podium. Still look at the company he keeps, ****s
attract ****s.


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Jim

On Dec 1, 11:28*pm, Joe Egginton wrote:
On 01/12/2011 16:45, Alan LeHun wrote:

In ,
says...

Jeremy Clarkson - not !!

He'd be too busy rubbing his hands with glee I would have thought. What
I want to know is how JC knew that the peeps at the very top of one of
the UK's major unions could be so gullible and naive.

JC know's exactly what he's doing. I can only surmise that the next
series of TG starts soon.

I'm unsure whether JC knows what he's fully doing, or that he's a type
of person that can't help speak before he thinks through the consequences..

Either way, the question it raises is, do poe face unionists know what
satire is? *His comment on PS workers was obviously said in jest.

Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl

While it's obvious he doesn't actually want anyone shot, what is also
obvious is that he does harbour the sort of poisonous anti-public-
sector views that sadly too many people in this country appear to have
at the moment. While the union guy over-reacted, one can understand
his anger when the rest of us are apparently having to pay for the
actions of the world of international finance while the very
instigators of the recession apparently get off scot-free. It's time
the bankers paid, for a change, but they never will because they are
part of Osborne's social circle - just like the energy company heads
who are being allowed to increase bills way above the rate of
inflation.

It also gives legitimacy to the sort of extreme anti-public-sector
views which appear to be becoming common in this country. There seems
to be a rather toxic undercurrent developing in which, thanks to the
media and the politicians, everyone bar the people who actually caused
the recession are being blamed for it. The public sector, immigrants,
Muslims, single mothers, the unemployed, you name it - they're all
apparently to blame. Not the bankers or their friends the Conservative
Party.

So yes, I'm afraid I did find Clarkson's comments offensive, though
I'm satisfied now he's apologised.

Nick

On Dec 1, 10:26*pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Dawlish wrote:

Unbelievable far-right wing, grumpy *old man trash. To be ignored.

Emigrate Lawrence. Find a better country, as you obviously hate
everything about this one.

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Is it though, in this instant. Certain things are, in my opinion,
politically neutral. Like seeing loved ones mistreated in hospital as
Lawrence and for that matter I have. It is wrong whatever your politics
may be.

As someone who is only alive because of the wonderful work of the NHS,
I must disagree with you completely.

Larry widens things to include his hatred of Britian today. Emigration
would be the best opition if people hate our fabulous (compared to the
rest of Europe and the world) country. We are *very* lucky to live
here. Oddly this coincides with the government's first "well-being"
survey, published yeasterday, which shows that most people, despite
the economic downturn, are happy with their lives in the UK.

On Dec 2, 8:31*am, Nick wrote:
On Dec 1, 11:28*pm, Joe Egginton wrote:





On 01/12/2011 16:45, Alan LeHun wrote:

In ,
says...

Jeremy Clarkson - not !!

He'd be too busy rubbing his hands with glee I would have thought. What
I want to know is how JC knew that the peeps at the very top of one of
the UK's major unions could be so gullible and naive.

JC know's exactly what he's doing. I can only surmise that the next
series of TG starts soon.

I'm unsure whether JC knows what he's fully doing, or that he's a type
of person that can't help speak before he thinks through the consequences.

Either way, the question it raises is, do poe face unionists know what
satire is? *His comment on PS workers was obviously said in jest.

Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl

While it's obvious he doesn't actually want anyone shot, what is also
obvious is that he does harbour the sort of poisonous anti-public-
sector views that sadly too many people in this country appear to have
at the moment. While the union guy over-reacted, one can understand
his anger when the rest of us are apparently having to pay for the
actions of the world of international finance while the very
instigators of the recession apparently get off scot-free. It's time
the bankers paid, for a change, but they never will because they are
part of Osborne's social circle - just like the energy company heads
who are being allowed to increase bills way above the rate of
inflation.

It also gives legitimacy to the sort of extreme anti-public-sector
views which appear to be becoming common in this country. There seems
to be a rather toxic undercurrent developing in which, thanks to the
media and the politicians, everyone bar the people who actually caused
the recession are being blamed for it. The public sector, immigrants,
Muslims, single mothers, the unemployed, you name it - they're all
apparently to blame. Not the bankers or their friends the Conservative
Party.

So yes, I'm afraid I did find Clarkson's comments offensive, though
I'm satisfied now he's apologised.

Nick- Hide quoted text -

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Me too. He's an idiot, but he's very entertaining.

As to the pensions dispute - I have no strong views. I'm grateful for
my index-linked pension, which now sits there until I draw it (doubt
if I'll make it that far, but anyway!) but as I'm now firmly in the
private sector, I can see why so many are understandably jealous of
that pension. On the other hand, I didn't earn highly for much of that
time, so the pension had to be supplemented by an AVC for years,
reducing my income even further. No regrets though at my career path
and I can see both sides of the argument.

Teachers having to teach your (mainly, here) granchildren, at **67**
years old is a different matter! No -one went into teaching expecting
to hve to do that and it will put new entrants (fantastic, the quality
of many young teachers; it blows me away) to have to do that. It's
nigh on impossible to do it well for someone of that age.

On 01/12/2011 19:44, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
I have suffered that scenario Lawrence, in fact with both my parents,
while in hospital, shortly before they died. I felt exactly the same as
you. There are incompetent people in most jobs. I did, however, come
across some wonderful and caring nurses, that against all the odds,
seemed to bring a ray of sunshine to their patients. That's how they all
should be.
Dave

Three years ago my mother was also treated with a lack of care in
hospital, not medical attention - a lack of human kindness.

In her last few days of life she was isolated in a room (unidentified
infection) wearing a CPAP hood (continuous positive airway pressure) to
aid her breathing. Mum's lungs were badly damaged due to a rare form of
pneumonia and her body was fast fading, due to the effort to breathe.

CPAP hoods are noisy contraptions and she was hard of hearing. Yet the
nurses would enter her room and stand at the end of her bed to ask if
she needed anything. From Mum's perspective all she can see is some
young nurse lips moving, as she strains to hear through the noisy
contraption that was trying to keep her alive. She continually explained
to them that they needed to talk through the porthole in the hood so she
could understand them, to no avail sadly.

Looking like something from Bleep and Booster, it was difficult to get
her to eat but she loved their hi-energy ice cream because it soothed
the drying effect of the CPAP hood. Yet they rarely had any...

I will never forget the look in her eyes as she explained to me how
uncaring the staff were and how she felt guilty when she had to ring the
bell because she needed assistance to toilet.

God help anyone that enters an NHS hospital nowadays - I am dreading it.

It occurred to me when typing this that I should volunteer as a patient
helper - if there is such a thing. I cannot find anything on The Royal
Hospital - Chesterfield website. I've emailed them and asked.


--
Wendy Tinley
Sheffield

On 01/12/2011 22:26, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Dawlish wrote:


Unbelievable far-right wing, grumpy old man trash. To be ignored.

Emigrate Lawrence. Find a better country, as you obviously hate
everything about this one.
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Is it though, in this instant. Certain things are, in my opinion,
politically neutral. Like seeing loved ones mistreated in hospital as
Lawrence and for that matter I have. It is wrong whatever your politics
may be.

Totally agree with you Mr Cornwell!

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Wendy Tinley
Sheffield

On Dec 1, 10:58*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:06:44 -0800, Dawlish wrote:

*Snip

Unbelievable far-right wing, grumpy *old man trash. To be ignored.

Very good of you to quote the whole thing for those of us who might
otherwise have missed it.

You are welcome. I'd have hated you to have missed that.

On 02/12/2011 08:49, Dawlish wrote:

On Dec 1, 10:26 pm, Dave wrote:

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Is it though, in this instant. Certain things are, in my opinion,
politically neutral. Like seeing loved ones mistreated in hospital as
Lawrence and for that matter I have. It is wrong whatever your politics
may be.

As someone who is only alive because of the wonderful work of the NHS,
I must disagree with you completely.


Thank goodness you are alive due to the NHS but that shouldn't blinker
your view. There are many stories of fantastic medical success stories -
and some nursing care experiences. However, there are many experiences
that are opposite, at least admit that.

A friend of mine had an operation, she felt the whole procedure. The
operating staff only realised that she was still awake when she
evacuated her bowels in fright. At that point the anaesthetist
administered sufficient dosage to knock her out.

When she came around from the operation later she was surprised to see
the anaesthetist visiting her to see how she was. She hadn't remembered
at the time what had happened. As she told me the story later she said
'how many times does the anaesthetist visit you *after* the op!?!

It was only a few days later when she was taken back into the operating
theatre for correctional surgery did it all come flooding back. She
remembered the conversations in the theatre - everything.

Three years later she successfully sued the hospital. All she ever
wanted was an apology and an acceptance of what had happened - she never
received either. :/

I must stop contributing to this thread - how depressing this all is.

Back to work!

--
Wendy Tinley
Sheffield

Personally, I've always found him a childish, arrogant little
****.

Do you know the exact meaning of the term you have used to
describe this unpleasant but undoubtedly male individual? It
seems to me to be a singularly inappropriate choice of word to
describe Clarkson.

Anne
On the (normally) sunny southern shores of the Moray Firth?