I see that there is still a yellow warning for heavy rain in force for the
North Midlands and the whole of the North of England, valid until midnight. The
warning was re-issued at 1707 this evening. It makes no sense. A glance at the
radar shows that the rain has already cleared all but the extreme NE of
England. It seems that the warning system doesn't include provision for
explicit cancellation of a warning or, if it does include such provision, it
isn't used. A warning for heavy rain this evening isn't particularly helpful to
Joe Public in this part of the country.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.

On Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:16:54 UTC+1, Norman wrote:
I see that there is still a yellow warning for heavy rain in force for the

North Midlands and the whole of the North of England, valid until midnight. The

warning was re-issued at 1707 this evening. It makes no sense. A glance at the

radar shows that the rain has already cleared all but the extreme NE of

England. It seems that the warning system doesn't include provision for

explicit cancellation of a warning or, if it does include such provision, it

isn't used. A warning for heavy rain this evening isn't particularly helpful to

Joe Public in this part of the country.



--

Norman Lynagh

Tideswell, Derbyshire

303m a.s.l.

Better safe than sorry. Imagine the human tragedy to be caught without a brolly.

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:16:54 PM UTC+1, Norman wrote:
I see that there is still a yellow warning for heavy rain in force for the

North Midlands and the whole of the North of England, valid until midnight. The

warning was re-issued at 1707 this evening. It makes no sense. A glance at the

radar shows that the rain has already cleared all but the extreme NE of

England. It seems that the warning system doesn't include provision for

explicit cancellation of a warning or, if it does include such provision, it

isn't used. A warning for heavy rain this evening isn't particularly helpful to

Joe Public in this part of the country.



--

Norman Lynagh

Tideswell, Derbyshire

303m a.s.l.

The local BBC forecast predicted 3-4' of surf today, same tomorrow. How do they get to these predictions?

Put a 1 in front it would be nearer the mark.

http://www.minack.com/webcams.htm

A proper surf forecast for the east side of Mount's Bay http://magicseaweed.com/Porthleven-Surf-Report/1253/

It's been impressively big, even in Penzance

Graham
Penzance

"Norman" wrote in message ...

I see that there is still a yellow warning for heavy rain in force for the
North Midlands and the whole of the North of England, valid until midnight.
The
warning was re-issued at 1707 this evening. It makes no sense. A glance at
the
radar shows that the rain has already cleared all but the extreme NE of
England. It seems that the warning system doesn't include provision for
explicit cancellation of a warning or, if it does include such provision, it
isn't used. A warning for heavy rain this evening isn't particularly helpful
to
Joe Public in this part of the country.

--
Hi, Norman,
33mm here mostly between 18hr and 19hr with max rate on Davis of 88mm/hr.
20mm fell between 1810hr and 1840hr. I was driving in it over to
Middlesbrough and it wasn't pleasant.
A weather warning was definitely in order here!
Ken
Copley,
Teesdale

Ken Cook wrote:

"Norman" wrote in message ...

I see that there is still a yellow warning for heavy rain in force for the
North Midlands and the whole of the North of England, valid until midnight.
The warning was re-issued at 1707 this evening. It makes no sense. A glance
at the radar shows that the rain has already cleared all but the extreme NE of
England. It seems that the warning system doesn't include provision for
explicit cancellation of a warning or, if it does include such provision, it
isn't used. A warning for heavy rain this evening isn't particularly helpful
to Joe Public in this part of the country.

Hi, Norman,
33mm here mostly between 18hr and 19hr with max rate on Davis of 88mm/hr. 20mm
fell between 1810hr and 1840hr. I was driving in it over to Middlesbrough and
it wasn't pleasant.
A weather warning was definitely in order here!
Ken
Copley,
Teesdale

I've no problem with that, Ken. The warnings were certainly justified for
earlier on. My beef is that the warning is still current. The period of
validity does not expire till 2359 yet the radar shows that the rain is now
well clear of the whole of Northern England. The rain stopped here just before
1700 BST and it has been a fine clear evening. Even so, the warning map still
shows us covered with "custard" and that was reissued at 1707 BST. The currency
of the warnings has not kept up with the evolving situation.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.

"Norman" wrote in message ...

Hi, Norman,
33mm here mostly between 18hr and 19hr with max rate on Davis of 88mm/hr.
20mm
fell between 1810hr and 1840hr. I was driving in it over to Middlesbrough
and
it wasn't pleasant.
A weather warning was definitely in order here!
Ken
Copley,
Teesdale

I've no problem with that, Ken. The warnings were certainly justified for
earlier on. My beef is that the warning is still current. The period of
validity does not expire till 2359 yet the radar shows that the rain is now
well clear of the whole of Northern England. The rain stopped here just
before
1700 BST and it has been a fine clear evening. Even so, the warning map
still
shows us covered with "custard" and that was reissued at 1707 BST. The
currency
of the warnings has not kept up with the evolving situation.

Point taken, in fact I seem to recall the Met O forecasters stating that the
rain band was moving quickly and would have passed through within an hour or
two, certainly well before midnight.
Ken

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 at 12:35:22, Graham Easterling
wrote in uk.sci.weather :

A proper surf forecast for the east side of Mount's Bay
http://magicseaweed.com/Porthleven-Surf-Report/1253/

It's been impressively big, even in Penzance

The seas around it, presumably!
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On 15/08/2012 20:16, Norman wrote:
I see that there is still a yellow warning for heavy rain in force for the
North Midlands and the whole of the North of England, valid until midnight. The
warning was re-issued at 1707 this evening. It makes no sense. A glance at the
radar shows that the rain has already cleared all but the extreme NE of
England. It seems that the warning system doesn't include provision for
explicit cancellation of a warning or, if it does include such provision, it
isn't used. A warning for heavy rain this evening isn't particularly helpful to
Joe Public in this part of the country.

Do you think northerners don't deserve weather warnings or something?

The worst of the storm hit Teesside not long after 6pm and lasted for
about an hour - long enough to give a localised surface water flash
flooding. About an inch of rain fell driven with extreme force by strong
gusts of wind enough that water was bouncing out of my basic rain gauge
and being lost. Suprised there are not more trees down.

We had a Renault Espace with a blown engine bobbing up and down in the
local car trap on Tuesday last week. Serious rain is a problem here.

Main problem is with visibility and standing water on the trunk roads in
these sorts of conditions. They were right to issue the warning.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Martin Brown wrote:

On 15/08/2012 20:16, Norman wrote:
I see that there is still a yellow warning for heavy rain in force for the
North Midlands and the whole of the North of England, valid until midnight.
The warning was re-issued at 1707 this evening. It makes no sense. A glance
at the radar shows that the rain has already cleared all but the extreme NE
of England. It seems that the warning system doesn't include provision for
explicit cancellation of a warning or, if it does include such provision, it
isn't used. A warning for heavy rain this evening isn't particularly
helpful to Joe Public in this part of the country.

Do you think northerners don't deserve weather warnings or something?

The worst of the storm hit Teesside not long after 6pm and lasted for about
an hour - long enough to give a localised surface water flash flooding. About
an inch of rain fell driven with extreme force by strong gusts of wind enough
that water was bouncing out of my basic rain gauge and being lost. Suprised
there are not more trees down.

We had a Renault Espace with a blown engine bobbing up and down in the local
car trap on Tuesday last week. Serious rain is a problem here.

Main problem is with visibility and standing water on the trunk roads in
these sorts of conditions. They were right to issue the warning.

Regards,
Martin Brown


You miss my point, Martin. Most certainly, the warning was justified and the
severe weather did occur. The point I was making was that the warning was
allowed to remain in force for hours after the severe weather had moved out of
the area. The rain ceased here before 1700 BST yet the warning was re-issued at
1707 BST valid till 2359. We had a fine clear evening but with a yellow warning
for rain in force. The issue/cancellation of warnings didn't keep pace with the
way the weather situation was developing. It was a situation in which frequent
updating of the warnings would have been much more appropriate than the rather
static way in which they are actually presented.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.

"Norman" wrote in message
...
Martin Brown wrote:

On 15/08/2012 20:16, Norman wrote:
I see that there is still a yellow warning for heavy rain in force for
the
North Midlands and the whole of the North of England, valid until
midnight.
The warning was re-issued at 1707 this evening. It makes no sense. A
glance
at the radar shows that the rain has already cleared all but the
extreme NE
of England. It seems that the warning system doesn't include provision
for
explicit cancellation of a warning or, if it does include such
provision, it
isn't used. A warning for heavy rain this evening isn't particularly
helpful to Joe Public in this part of the country.

Do you think northerners don't deserve weather warnings or something?

The worst of the storm hit Teesside not long after 6pm and lasted for
about
an hour - long enough to give a localised surface water flash flooding.
About
an inch of rain fell driven with extreme force by strong gusts of wind
enough
that water was bouncing out of my basic rain gauge and being lost.
Suprised
there are not more trees down.

We had a Renault Espace with a blown engine bobbing up and down in the
local
car trap on Tuesday last week. Serious rain is a problem here.

Main problem is with visibility and standing water on the trunk roads in
these sorts of conditions. They were right to issue the warning.

Regards,
Martin Brown


You miss my point, Martin. Most certainly, the warning was justified and
the
severe weather did occur. The point I was making was that the warning was
allowed to remain in force for hours after the severe weather had moved
out of
the area. The rain ceased here before 1700 BST yet the warning was
re-issued at
1707 BST valid till 2359. We had a fine clear evening but with a yellow
warning
for rain in force. The issue/cancellation of warnings didn't keep pace
with the
way the weather situation was developing. It was a situation in which
frequent
updating of the warnings would have been much more appropriate than the
rather
static way in which they are actually presented.


Why don't you complain to the Met Office then?


To be fair though, the validity of the warning is between two times, it does
NOT mean that the severe weather will start at the first time and end at the
second. It would get horrendously complex to remove colours as the front
tracks through, the MetO would rather rely on the intelligence of the public
to do that.

Will
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