I get cross enough when some weatherbimbette reading off an autocue
says that a deep depression in July is "unusual for the time of year",
but when Peter Gibbs, who really ought to know better, says the same
thing on the 6.30 pm forecast today my blood starts to boil.
If a really deep low is unusual in late September when is it going to
be usual?. Will he be repeating the same mantra in December?.
The only reason I can think of is that the public is being softened up
to believe that AGW is the reason for any weather event, unusual or
not.
Any thoughts?.

"haaark" wrote in message
...
I get cross enough when some weatherbimbette reading off an autocue
says that a deep depression in July is "unusual for the time of year",
but when Peter Gibbs, who really ought to know better, says the same
thing on the 6.30 pm forecast today my blood starts to boil.
If a really deep low is unusual in late September when is it going to
be usual?. Will he be repeating the same mantra in December?.
The only reason I can think of is that the public is being softened up
to believe that AGW is the reason for any weather event, unusual or
not.
Any thoughts?.

I agree with Peter, such a deep low at this time of year bang smack over the
UK is not common.
Nothing to do with AGW or even GW or even Climate Change.

http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Monday, September 24, 2012 7:09:33 PM UTC+1, haaark wrote:
I get cross enough when some weatherbimbette reading off an autocue

says that a deep depression in July is "unusual for the time of year",

but when Peter Gibbs, who really ought to know better, says the same

thing on the 6.30 pm forecast today my blood starts to boil.

If a really deep low is unusual in late September when is it going to

be usual?. Will he be repeating the same mantra in December?.

The only reason I can think of is that the public is being softened up

to believe that AGW is the reason for any weather event, unusual or

not.

Any thoughts?.

FFor the record the low is expected to deepen to 975hPa and be bang over the UK. That is unusual, although of course not without precedence. If the low was in the mid Atlantic then it would not be so unusual

On Monday, September 24, 2012 7:09:33 PM UTC+1, haaark wrote:
I get cross enough when some weatherbimbette reading off an autocue

says that a deep depression in July is "unusual for the time of year",

but when Peter Gibbs, who really ought to know better, says the same

thing on the 6.30 pm forecast today my blood starts to boil.

If a really deep low is unusual in late September when is it going to

be usual?. Will he be repeating the same mantra in December?.

The only reason I can think of is that the public is being softened up

to believe that AGW is the reason for any weather event, unusual or

not.

Any thoughts?.

=========

Certain quarters of the media might like to try to make facile links between extreme/unusual/rare events and climate change (although not noted even there on this occasion) but, with respect, it's a bit insulting to suggest that meteorologists in general and Peter Gibbs in particular are getting up to some underhanded strategy in that regard.

I don't think Peter Gibbs is far wrong either.

Stephen.

On Monday, 24 September 2012 19:17:21 UTC+1, Ilsington wrote:
On Monday, September 24, 2012 7:09:33 PM UTC+1, haaark wrote:

I get cross enough when some weatherbimbette reading off an autocue



says that a deep depression in July is "unusual for the time of year",



but when Peter Gibbs, who really ought to know better, says the same



thing on the 6.30 pm forecast today my blood starts to boil.



If a really deep low is unusual in late September when is it going to



be usual?. Will he be repeating the same mantra in December?.



The only reason I can think of is that the public is being softened up



to believe that AGW is the reason for any weather event, unusual or



not.



Any thoughts?.



FFor the record the low is expected to deepen to 975hPa and be bang over the UK. That is unusual, although of course not without precedence. If the low was in the mid Atlantic then it would not be so unusual


Wasn't expecting to find this, but looking at my records back to 1978 the lowest barometric pressure for September was 987.1mb on the 12th 2008. This morning I got down to 983.9mb, so the record has been broken for me here at Southend-on-Sea. Looking at John Benfords records 985.4mb was recoded in 1974.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

On Sep 24, 7:14*pm, "Dartmoor Will" wrote:
"haaark" wrote in message

...

I get cross enough when some weatherbimbette reading off an autocue
says that a deep depression in July is "unusual for the time of year",
but when Peter Gibbs, who really ought to know better, says the same
thing on the 6.30 pm forecast today my blood starts to boil.
If a really deep low is unusual in late September when is it going to
be *usual?. Will he be repeating the same mantra in December?.
The only reason I can think of is that the public is being softened up
to believe that AGW is the reason for any weather event, unusual or
not.
Any thoughts?.

I agree with Peter, such a deep low at this time of year bang smack over the
UK is not common.
Nothing to do with AGW or even GW or even Climate Change.

When a severe tropical storm occurs there is ALWAYS a corresponding
Low in the region of the NE North Atlantic. There is a severe storm in
the China Sea at 4 (going on 5) at one time and another beside it also
adding its growing pains.

There is nothing UNEXPECTED in this area when that happens. Good grief
William, if I can forecast them, anyone can!

On Sep 24, 9:54*pm, Stephen Davenport wrote:
On Monday, September 24, 2012 7:09:33 PM UTC+1, haaark wrote:
I get cross enough when some weatherbimbette reading off an autocue

says that a deep depression in July is "unusual for the time of year",

but when Peter Gibbs, who really ought to know better, says the same

thing on the 6.30 pm forecast today my blood starts to boil.

If a really deep low is unusual in late September when is it going to

be *usual?. Will he be repeating the same mantra in December?.

The only reason I can think of is that the public is being softened up

to believe that AGW is the reason for any weather event, unusual or

not.

Any thoughts?.

=========

Certain quarters of the media might like to try to make facile links between extreme/unusual/rare events and climate change (although not noted even there on this occasion) but, with respect, it's a bit insulting to suggest that meteorologists in general and Peter Gibbs in particular are getting up to some underhanded strategy in that regard.

I don't think Peter Gibbs is far wrong either.

It's unusual for a cyclone to maintain low pressure over land as it
diminishes rapidly once it hits a continental shelf.

Perhaps the Met Office and Beeb aught to spend more time explaining
stuff like that rather than going anywhere near advocacy or even
mention of "climate" and certainly never anywhere near Glowballs.

If we could just wean them onto the Atlantic chart. Or shoot the lame
*******s. One or the other. Anyone of them claiming to believe in
evolution should be prepared for that test of their faith.

Any not so confident should get back in the Blue Peter Garden and stay
there. Umbrella and fishing rod in hand.

On Sep 24, 11:02*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Sep 24, 9:54*pm, Stephen Davenport wrote:





On Monday, September 24, 2012 7:09:33 PM UTC+1, haaark wrote:
I get cross enough when some weatherbimbette reading off an autocue

says that a deep depression in July is "unusual for the time of year",

but when Peter Gibbs, who really ought to know better, says the same

thing on the 6.30 pm forecast today my blood starts to boil.

If a really deep low is unusual in late September when is it going to

be *usual?. Will he be repeating the same mantra in December?.

The only reason I can think of is that the public is being softened up

to believe that AGW is the reason for any weather event, unusual or

not.

Any thoughts?.

=========

Certain quarters of the media might like to try to make facile links between extreme/unusual/rare events and climate change (although not noted even there on this occasion) but, with respect, it's a bit insulting to suggest that meteorologists in general and Peter Gibbs in particular are getting up to some underhanded strategy in that regard.

I don't think Peter Gibbs is far wrong either.

It's unusual for a cyclone to maintain low pressure over land as it
diminishes rapidly once it hits a continental shelf.

Perhaps the Met Office and Beeb aught to spend more time explaining
stuff like that rather than going anywhere near advocacy or even
mention of "climate" and certainly never anywhere near Glowballs.

If we could just wean them onto the Atlantic chart. Or shoot the lame
*******s. One or the other. Anyone of them claiming to believe in
evolution should be prepared for that test of their faith.

Any not so confident should get back in the Blue Peter Garden and stay
there. Umbrella and fishing rod in hand.

I take back my knee-jerk reaction to PG's surprise at our present
synoptic set-up. The reasons for it are obvious. The climate norms of
he and his colleagues budding youthful interest in the weather
coincided with the relatively benign couple of decades that ended in
2007. The norms of my youth were the late 50s and 60s. The Marches to
September of 1956,57,58,62,63,65,66 and so on, were dominated by
disturbed weather-often severely so. No-one would have remarked on a
deep depression with buckets of rain sitting directly over us in any
month of those years.
Sadly the 20-odd relatively pleasant years are now a distant memory,
and I think their return is pretty unlikely while I'm around.
The new norm is the old one, so we'd all better get used to the
idea.

On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT)
haaark wrote:

I take back my knee-jerk reaction to PG's surprise at our present
synoptic set-up. The reasons for it are obvious. The climate norms of
he and his colleagues budding youthful interest in the weather
coincided with the relatively benign couple of decades that ended in
2007. The norms of my youth were the late 50s and 60s. The Marches to
September of 1956,57,58,62,63,65,66 and so on, were dominated by
disturbed weather-often severely so. No-one would have remarked on a
deep depression with buckets of rain sitting directly over us in any
month of those years.
Sadly the 20-odd relatively pleasant years are now a distant memory,
and I think their return is pretty unlikely while I'm around.
The new norm is the old one, so we'd all better get used to the
idea.

The following may be of some interest. It seems this situation of a
deep, slow-moving low over the country is the worst since 1981.
Elsewhere, it is noted that the lowest pressure so far recorded is 973.

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2...her-to-the-uk/

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change 'boy' to 'man'
What children say about marriage etc. -
Q. What is the right age to get married?
A. "No age is good to get married at. You got to be a fool to get
married" - Freddie, age 6.

On Sep 25, 6:27*pm, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT)

haaark wrote:
I take back my knee-jerk reaction to PG's surprise at our present
synoptic set-up. The reasons for it are obvious. The climate norms of
he and his colleagues budding youthful interest in the weather
coincided with the relatively benign couple of decades that ended in
2007. The norms of my youth were the late 50s and 60s. The Marches to
September of 1956,57,58,62,63,65,66 and so on, were dominated by
disturbed weather-often severely so. No-one would have remarked on a
deep depression with buckets of rain sitting directly over us in any
month of those years.
Sadly the 20-odd relatively pleasant years are now a distant memory,
and I think their return is pretty unlikely while I'm around.
The new norm is the old one, so we'd all better get used to the
idea.

The following may be of some interest. It seems this situation of a
deep, slow-moving low over the country is the worst since 1981.
Elsewhere, it is noted that the lowest pressure so far recorded is 973.

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2...nging-the-stor...

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change 'boy' to 'man'
What children say about marriage etc. -
Q. What is the right age to get married?
A. "No age is good to get married at. You got to be a fool to get
* * married" - Freddie, age 6.

Thanks for that link Graham. I wonder how long before 1981 a similar
low settled over us?-I bet it wasn't 31 years!