I took the title to mean it was a winter wonderland where Will was in Devon, just as if I were to post it was snowing in Aberdeenshire, that would be in bit of Aberdeenshire I live in. I was going to suggest that Aberdeenshire was much larger in area than Devon etc, but was surprised to discover Devon is 7% larger than Aberdeenshire

On Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:11:02 UTC, fred wrote:
I took the title to mean it was a winter wonderland where Will was in Devon, just as if I were to post it was snowing in Aberdeenshire, that would be in bit of Aberdeenshire I live in. I was going to suggest that Aberdeenshire was much larger in area than Devon etc, but was surprised to discover Devon is 7% larger than Aberdeenshire

Today was also a Winter Wonderland in Devon - well apart from South & West Devon and around Exeter. A couple of pictures taken this morning on/near Haytor.

http://flic.kr/p/dNfoLb - Haytor Quary at around 8.30am.
http://flic.kr/p/dN9S8D - A view from the top of Haytor - around 8.15am this morning.

The ground was frozen solid and small shallow pools had frozen sufficiently to walk on. Drifts to around 0.5m in height - with a frozen crust that you could easily walk on.

Henry
Broadclyst
Devon

On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:09:01 -0800, bubblyshower007 wrote:

snippety

What a foul little thread this has turned into with some people using it
to re-iterate their hatred and hobby horses.

snip

Well done, Paul: 7085 lines, 63Kb. Enough for my newsreader to think your
post was a binary and ask me where I want to save it (as if). Anyone
reading the group on a phone is going to love you.

On Saturday, 19 January 2013 15:52:34 UTC, wrote:
Well what a fantastic dog walk up and around Hay Tor just now.

Snow is quite deep still and has a crust on top meaning you can now walk

over the deep drifts rather than into them. Lots of ice, some thin, so still

water in places. The highlight was the classic wild upland conditions on the

summit especially around Low Man. Sheet ice covering the rocks with rime

icing up to 1 inch long on grass, moss, anything it can latch onto facing

the wind. The east side of Hay Tor is covered in rime ice. Temperature

around -2C with a noticeable wind chill in the F3-4 wind.

Hundreds of people have driven up to play in the snow, all car parks are

full and cars are all over the place down the sides of the main road down

into my lane. Lots of excited children with some youngsters snow-boarding..

Even saw an igloo being made! Good to see. and if I want peace and quiet I

can easily get away by just walking an extra mile or so to my "secret"

spots. I just wish some would wear appropriate footwear, cheap trainers are

not really suitable for snowy uplands!

Longer walk tomorrow from New Bridge up Huccaby Tor, about 12 miles in the

snow and ice.



Can you tell I'm loving this weather?!



Will

--

http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm

Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

---------------------------------------------

Well SE London was absolutely perfect. It started snowing around 9am and soon a whole new fresh mantle of white was everywhere but with the snow still falling hard. I went for a walk around 3pm and although the street was eerily quiet local Alexander Park was busy with several groups of parents and kids just basically playing in the snow. I stopped a couple of times just to take in the wonderful winter views and to chat with people about what a beautiful scene it all was.

There is also something so special about the light when there is snow on the ground -especially when it's also falling steadily. I just found it so spiritually uplifting it almost brought tears to the eyes.

I realise Haytor must have felt so isolated, almost untouched and so lovely but there's also a real quality of beauty when the snow covers the streets, roads, parks and gardens and that white snowy blanket in its juxtaposition against the fantastic Victorian and Edwardian architecture in so many of our towns and cities; is simply breathtaking and when it gets dark and civilisations street lamps illuminate; then there is another whole magical experience to enjoy and remember for the rest of your life.


I believe Peiter Breugal was born next to the Pound Land shop in High Street Sydenham. A lot of people don't know that.

On Saturday, 19 January 2013 19:51:21 UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:58:38 PM UTC, Metman2012 wrote:

On 19/01/2013 18:36, Dawlish wrote:



On Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:29:15 PM UTC, Col wrote:



Dawlish wrote:















What is it with you, everything Will says you take a swipe at.































He never claimed that the *whole* of Devon was a winter wonderland







but















the subject line (now restored) is correct. There *is* a winter







wonderland















in Devon, namely his part of it.















--















Col































Bolton, Lancashire















160m asl















I criticise when I see things that are simply wrong and I changed the







title to reflect that. I'm really not interested in your sycophancy,







or that of some others. I find the "oh goody it's snowed and I really







love it" (ad nauseam) posts truly boring and I'll criticise them as







and when I feel fit. Most time I just yawn and let them go. Not this







time, as I live in Devon too and it's cold and green; not







snow-covered, as are most other areas.















It's not wrong. There *is* a winter wonderland in Devon. Are you







really so desperate to criticise Will that you can't see that?















That's just typical of you, to accuse somebody of being a 'sycophant'







simply because they disagree with how you have responded to







another poster.















Got it?















Yes.







You are a deeply unpleasant individual. Bitter, twisted and utterly







unable to comprehend just why they are so despised on this group.







--







Col















Bolton, Lancashire







160m asl







Grow a thicker skin would be my advice; or don't post on usenet; or come and live in Devon and look out on no snow whatsoever when someone less than 20 miles away is saying that Devon is a winter wonderland.......yet again an exaggeration As I said, most of it isn't. I'm just putting the record straight. You don't like it? That's not a worry; you are entitled to your opinion, as is everyone - including me, Col. *))







The problem is that 'Winter wonderland in Devon' could mean snow



everywhere in Devon, or there is a place in Devon with a winter



wonderland. Will's text shows which interpretation should be used.







Malcolm (in a very green Devon - but was patchy white for a while).



Yes. That's why I changed the *title* and said that by no means is Devon a winter wonderland.



On Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:58:38 PM UTC, Metman2012 wrote:

On 19/01/2013 18:36, Dawlish wrote:



On Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:29:15 PM UTC, Col wrote:



Dawlish wrote:















What is it with you, everything Will says you take a swipe at.































He never claimed that the *whole* of Devon was a winter wonderland







but















the subject line (now restored) is correct. There *is* a winter







wonderland















in Devon, namely his part of it.















--















Col































Bolton, Lancashire















160m asl















I criticise when I see things that are simply wrong and I changed the







title to reflect that. I'm really not interested in your sycophancy,







or that of some others. I find the "oh goody it's snowed and I really







love it" (ad nauseam) posts truly boring and I'll criticise them as







and when I feel fit. Most time I just yawn and let them go. Not this







time, as I live in Devon too and it's cold and green; not







snow-covered, as are most other areas.















It's not wrong. There *is* a winter wonderland in Devon. Are you







really so desperate to criticise Will that you can't see that?















That's just typical of you, to accuse somebody of being a 'sycophant'







simply because they disagree with how you have responded to







another poster.















Got it?















Yes.







You are a deeply unpleasant individual. Bitter, twisted and utterly







unable to comprehend just why they are so despised on this group.







--







Col















Bolton, Lancashire







160m asl







Grow a thicker skin would be my advice; or don't post on usenet; or come and live in Devon and look out on no snow whatsoever when someone less than 20 miles away is saying that Devon is a winter wonderland.......yet again an exaggeration As I said, most of it isn't. I'm just putting the record straight. You don't like it? That's not a worry; you are entitled to your opinion, as is everyone - including me, Col. *))







The problem is that 'Winter wonderland in Devon' could mean snow



everywhere in Devon, or there is a place in Devon with a winter



wonderland. Will's text shows which interpretation should be used.







Malcolm (in a very green Devon - but was patchy white for a while).

Okay we all got it anyway not one person here for one moment thought that the whole of Devon was covered in snow -although a cold spell it doesn't compare to 1963 and we are all aware of that. Do you seriously beieve Will was trying to give that impression and that we didn't know . Come on Paul that's daft.

On Sunday, 20 January 2013 21:32:50 UTC, Lawrence13 wrote:

I stopped a couple of times just to take in the wonderful winter views and to chat with people about what a beautiful scene it all was.

There is also something so special about the light when there is snow on the ground -especially when it's also falling steadily.

there's also a real quality of beauty when the snow covers the streets, roads, parks and gardens and that white snowy blanket in its juxtaposition against the fantastic Victorian and Edwardian architecture in so many of our towns and cities

Very nicely put Lawrence. Just spent the last 90 minutes walking round Blackheath - it's genuinely awesome stuff. No wind, no-one about (although a few of the hostelries in Blackheath were doing brisk trade) and so quiet! The ambient light over and above the usual urban light is tremendous, too.

You also find that people talk to each other more when it snows...!

Richard

"Lawrence13" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 19 January 2013 15:52:34 UTC,
wrote:
Well what a fantastic dog walk up and around Hay Tor just now.

Snow is quite deep still and has a crust on top meaning you can now walk

over the deep drifts rather than into them. Lots of ice, some thin, so
still

water in places. The highlight was the classic wild upland conditions on
the

summit especially around Low Man. Sheet ice covering the rocks with rime

icing up to 1 inch long on grass, moss, anything it can latch onto facing

the wind. The east side of Hay Tor is covered in rime ice. Temperature

around -2C with a noticeable wind chill in the F3-4 wind.

Hundreds of people have driven up to play in the snow, all car parks are

full and cars are all over the place down the sides of the main road down

into my lane. Lots of excited children with some youngsters snow-boarding.

Even saw an igloo being made! Good to see. and if I want peace and quiet I

can easily get away by just walking an extra mile or so to my "secret"

spots. I just wish some would wear appropriate footwear, cheap trainers
are

not really suitable for snowy uplands!

Longer walk tomorrow from New Bridge up Huccaby Tor, about 12 miles in the

snow and ice.



Can you tell I'm loving this weather?!



Will

--

http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm

Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

---------------------------------------------

Well SE London was absolutely perfect. It started snowing around 9am and
soon a whole new fresh mantle of white was everywhere but with the snow
still falling hard. I went for a walk around 3pm and although the street was
eerily quiet local Alexander Park was busy with several groups of parents
and kids just basically playing in the snow. I stopped a couple of times
just to take in the wonderful winter views and to chat with people about
what a beautiful scene it all was.

There is also something so special about the light when there is snow on the
ground -especially when it's also falling steadily. I just found it so
spiritually uplifting it almost brought tears to the eyes.

I realise Haytor must have felt so isolated, almost untouched and so lovely
but there's also a real quality of beauty when the snow covers the streets,
roads, parks and gardens and that white snowy blanket in its juxtaposition
against the fantastic Victorian and Edwardian architecture in so many of our
towns and cities; is simply breathtaking and when it gets dark and
civilisations street lamps illuminate; then there is another whole magical
experience to enjoy and remember for the rest of your life.
====================

Yes all reminds me of when I was a lad on the streets of Manchester. What I
liked then was watching the snow fall in the streetlights. Enjoy Lawrence,
it is very precious!

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Op zondag 20 januari 2013 22:32:50 UTC+1 schreef Lawrence13 het volgende:
I believe Peiter Breugal was born next to the Pound Land shop in High Street Sydenham.

Sorry, Lawrence, the Brueghels were from Brussels ! Pieter Brueghel the Elder lived and worked here in this house http://goo.gl/maps/I0t90 . You can see the metal plaque on the wall which says so. It is now the Brueghel Museum http://www.opt.be/informations/touri...n/V/19239.html .

Pieter Brueghel the Younger, his son, was born in Brussels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_...el_the_Younger

Colin Youngs
Brussels

Op zondag 20 januari 2013 22:32:50 UTC+1 schreef Lawrence13 het volgende:
There is also something so special about the light when there is snow on the ground -especially when it's also falling steadily. I just found it so spiritually uplifting it almost brought tears to the eyes.
I realise Haytor must have felt so isolated, almost untouched and so lovely but there's also a real quality of beauty when the snow covers the streets, roads, parks and gardens and that white snowy blanket in its juxtaposition against the fantastic Victorian and Edwardian architecture in so many of our towns and cities; is simply breathtaking and when it gets dark and civilisations street lamps illuminate; then there is another whole magical experience to enjoy and remember for the rest of your life.
_____________________

I agree with your sentiments, Lawrence. Here is a photo of the snow in the real Brueghel cityscape: Grand-Place in Brussels this afternoon http://tinyurl.com/bxfgcfe

Colin Youngs
Brussel

On Sunday, 20 January 2013 22:51:57 UTC, Colin Youngs wrote:
Op zondag 20 januari 2013 22:32:50 UTC+1 schreef Lawrence13 het volgende:

I believe Peiter Breugal was born next to the Pound Land shop in High Street Sydenham.



Sorry, Lawrence, the Brueghels were from Brussels ! Pieter Brueghel the Elder lived and worked here in this house http://goo.gl/maps/I0t90 . You can see the metal plaque on the wall which says so. It is now the Brueghel Museum http://www.opt.be/informations/touri...n/V/19239.html .



Pieter Brueghel the Younger, his son, was born in Brussels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_...el_the_Younger



Colin Youngs

Brussels

Colin I was joking about Peiter Brueghel;-). Blimey the Census at Sydenham

Mind you Camille ****aro stayed up at Crstal Palace and left several paintings of this area to prove it.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...=aSeoP 05Btwh