"Lawrence13" wrote:

Look Togless I apologise for the aggressive tone but this
global warming tripe just never stops. We've been told by
UKMO no less , over the years to expect milder winters ,
snow and ice to be a rarer occurrence, spring to get earlier
and earlier, summers to be blisteringly hot and very dry but
also very wet and now since the late 2000's we find cool wet
summer dry winter, wet winters, snow that we supposed to
never see again, retarded springs and so on with no clear
AGW pattern whatsoever and that just isn't the UK with
Germany and parts of Europe , the old USSR and USA plus
other countries having dry and wet but importantly cold
winters but still it goes on and on and on.

No need to apologise at all, I always enjoy your comments. The models have
been getting the broad global warming trend right for over 30 years now, but
regional and short term changes are obviously much harder to predict. I
don't envy the scientists who have to try to figure out what the effects
will be on one little island off the north west coast of Europe. Maybe the
best answer is that we just need to be resilient, whatever gets thrown at
us.

On 23/03/13 09:11, willie eckerslike wrote:
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:24:37 AM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 22/03/13 22:11, Lawrence13 wrote:

I'm sitting here typing in SE London with two pullovers on...



And this time last year I was happily wandering around outside in a T

shirt. Your point being?

Why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Have we never experienced snow in March before?

I have photos somewhere of 4 inches of snow in my garden almost covering the flowering tulips. That must have been well into April. The photos were taken sometime in the 1990s but I don't remember the whole country descending into a panic then.

Neither do I remember too much panic when snow covered the cricket pitch in Buxton on 2nd June 1975 and the midday temp at Colchester was 2C.

Maybe you are all watching too many news bulletins from the hysterical TV presenters, and these have rotted the memory?

Missing the point. It is not about snow it is about the duration of the
cold. How long in those examples you give did the cold and snow last
before it got milder again? I can tell you June 1975 was no more than a
freak few days then immediately followed by a heatwave for starters. How
often at this time of year do you get 3+ weeks of SUSTAINED well below
average temperatures with no milder interludes right down to the south
coast and beyond. Can't be very often if you have to go back to 1987 and
then 1963 to find colder Marches.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 10:11:00 PM UTC, Lawrence13 wrote:

.... I'm sitting here typing in SE London with two pullovers on desptite the CH on amd you just can't stop the bloody AGW mantra...

=====

You should write a paper. "Climate Change: Questioning the Global Warming Paradigm through Dynamics of Knitwear Sales in Sydenham."

That'll make the world sit up.

You could bring vests into the equation as well.

Stephen.

willie eckerslike wrote:
Why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Have we never
experienced snow in March before?

I have photos somewhere of 4 inches of snow in my garden almost covering
the flowering tulips. That must have been well into April. The photos
were taken sometime in the 1990s but I don't remember the whole country
descending into a panic then.

Neither do I remember too much panic when snow covered the cricket pitch
in Buxton on 2nd June 1975 and the midday temp at Colchester was 2C.

Maybe you are all watching too many news bulletins from the hysterical TV
presenters, and these have rotted the memory?

Yes I have to agree with you, Willie. I recall 1975 very well. Only last
early April I was nearly snow bound at Tibshelf services on the M1.

Currently in Charente-Maritime where we are staying for a few weeks it's
16c, a little cloudy but with light winds it feels rather warm! Sorry to
gloat but we just gad to get away from the wintry weather in the UK.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:28:46 +0000
Adam Lea wrote:



Missing the point. It is not about snow it is about the duration of
the cold. How long in those examples you give did the cold and snow
last before it got milder again? I can tell you June 1975 was no more
than a freak few days then immediately followed by a heatwave for
starters. How often at this time of year do you get 3+ weeks of
SUSTAINED well below average temperatures with no milder interludes
right down to the south coast and beyond. Can't be very often if you
have to go back to 1987 and then 1963 to find colder Marches.

I go along with what you say but, to be pedantic, March 1963 wasn't
particularly cold (CET 6.0C), 1962 was much colder (2.8C), the 16th
coldest in CET records.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
Carlos Seixas, Sonata nº 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXox7vonfEg
And for something completely different, Cumberland Gap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsU-LTwx8Co

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:28:46 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 23/03/13 09:11, willie eckerslike wrote:

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:24:37 AM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:

On 22/03/13 22:11, Lawrence13 wrote:



I'm sitting here typing in SE London with two pullovers on...







And this time last year I was happily wandering around outside in a T



shirt. Your point being?



Why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Have we never experienced snow in March before?



I have photos somewhere of 4 inches of snow in my garden almost covering the flowering tulips. That must have been well into April. The photos were taken sometime in the 1990s but I don't remember the whole country descending into a panic then.



Neither do I remember too much panic when snow covered the cricket pitch in Buxton on 2nd June 1975 and the midday temp at Colchester was 2C.



Maybe you are all watching too many news bulletins from the hysterical TV presenters, and these have rotted the memory?



Missing the point. It is not about snow it is about the duration of the

cold. How long in those examples you give did the cold and snow last

before it got milder again? I can tell you June 1975 was no more than a

freak few days then immediately followed by a heatwave for starters. How

often at this time of year do you get 3+ weeks of SUSTAINED well below

average temperatures with no milder interludes right down to the south

coast and beyond. Can't be very often if you have to go back to 1987 and

then 1963 to find colder Marches.

1986 was a cold February, a below average March, and followed by an almost as cold April.

That is pretty sustained, and May was nothing to write home about either.

1996, 2001 and 2006 had weeks of sustained below average temperatures between Jan 1st and Mar 31st.

I think people have short memories.

On Saturday, 23 March 2013 08:24:37 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 22/03/13 22:11, Lawrence13 wrote:

I'm sitting here typing in SE London with two pullovers on...



And this time last year I was happily wandering around outside in a T

shirt. Your point being?

You were homeless?

Last years mild very dry spring was seized upon as another sign of a warmer worlds, shh.......agw

On Saturday, 23 March 2013 17:42:11 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:28:46 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:

On 23/03/13 09:11, willie eckerslike wrote:



On Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:24:37 AM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:



On 22/03/13 22:11, Lawrence13 wrote:







I'm sitting here typing in SE London with two pullovers on...















And this time last year I was happily wandering around outside in a T







shirt. Your point being?







Why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Have we never experienced snow in March before?







I have photos somewhere of 4 inches of snow in my garden almost covering the flowering tulips. That must have been well into April. The photos were taken sometime in the 1990s but I don't remember the whole country descending into a panic then.







Neither do I remember too much panic when snow covered the cricket pitch in Buxton on 2nd June 1975 and the midday temp at Colchester was 2C.







Maybe you are all watching too many news bulletins from the hysterical TV presenters, and these have rotted the memory?







Missing the point. It is not about snow it is about the duration of the



cold. How long in those examples you give did the cold and snow last



before it got milder again? I can tell you June 1975 was no more than a



freak few days then immediately followed by a heatwave for starters. How



often at this time of year do you get 3+ weeks of SUSTAINED well below



average temperatures with no milder interludes right down to the south



coast and beyond. Can't be very often if you have to go back to 1987 and



then 1963 to find colder Marches.



1986 was a cold February, a below average March, and followed by an almost as cold April.



That is pretty sustained, and May was nothing to write home about either.



1996, 2001 and 2006 had weeks of sustained below average temperatures between Jan 1st and Mar 31st.



I think people have short memories.

Paul, oops sorry Willie. The point is in the world of AGW snow in winter was to be a thing of the past, let alone snow in spring. I can search if need be but since using this NG what 13 years ago now,this has been the AGW decade where up until December 2010 widespread snowy winters and cold was rare and even though we had some wet summers the basic tome was that AGW had changed our weather for good or until C02 levels were drasically reduced. There were a bunch of remarks made over the period about spring beggining earlier each year and bang! We now know that it isn't seemingly the case.

Paul, oops sorry Willie. The point is in the world of AGW snow in winter was to be a thing of the past, let alone snow in spring. I can search if need be but since using this NG what 13 years ago now,this has been the AGW decade where up until December 2010 widespread snowy winters and cold was rare and even though we had some wet summers the basic tome was that AGW had changed our weather for good or until C02 levels were drasically reduced. There were a bunch of remarks made over the period about spring beggining earlier each year and bang! We now know that it isn't seemingly the case.

The problem with those early AGW forecasts, were that gullible people believed them.

This was despite the fact that they were based on very coarse data, which seemed to be that over the last 100 years average temperatures had risen, and at the same time the amounts of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere had also increased.

So the computers were loaded with a programme which correlated the two events, and behold, it forecast more warming and a Mediterranean climate for S England.

People tell me not to believe everything in the press and media, but it would seem that these same people will believe anything, as long as it is what they want to hear or read.

Maybe now, people will question the precise data being put into these long range models, before accepting the output as gospel?

On Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:29:12 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:


Paul, oops sorry Willie. The point is in the world of AGW snow in winter was to be a thing of the past, let alone snow in spring. I can search if need be but since using this NG what 13 years ago now,this has been the AGW decade where up until December 2010 widespread snowy winters and cold was rare and even though we had some wet summers the basic tome was that AGW had changed our weather for good or until C02 levels were drasically reduced.. There were a bunch of remarks made over the period about spring beggining earlier each year and bang! We now know that it isn't seemingly the case.



The problem with those early AGW forecasts, were that gullible people believed them.



This was despite the fact that they were based on very coarse data, which seemed to be that over the last 100 years average temperatures had risen, and at the same time the amounts of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere had also increased.



So the computers were loaded with a programme which correlated the two events, and behold, it forecast more warming and a Mediterranean climate for S England.



People tell me not to believe everything in the press and media, but it would seem that these same people will believe anything, as long as it is what they want to hear or read.



Maybe now, people will question the precise data being put into these long range models, before accepting the output as gospel?

Blimey is someone slightly aggreeing with me after all these years?