Too much snow
 

On 28/03/13 20:07, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:14:38 +0000
Adam wrote:

On 28/03/13 06:31, Col wrote:
"Jim wrote in message
...

Unfortunately most of you urban snow worshippers don't have a clue
about the damage it does.

Try it here just now and see what happens when your childish
obsession takes a hold. It's death for the animals and financial
ruin for farmers.

Oh not the tired old 'liking snow is childish' argument again.
Of course ones's like or dislike of a weather type is going to
be coloured by how much one is adversely affected by it.
Perhaps you might like it if you lived in Essex?
I'd certainly hate it if I was a sheep farmer on the Isle of man.

A day or two of snow like we've got here, preventing you from
getting to Tesco would have most of you snowballers crying foul.
Whingeing about the council not doing enough.

That sounds harsh I know but sometimes ignorance is highly
irritating.

Now that's not fair. Us townies aren't ignorant of the effects of
snow, we've all seen the horrendous pictutes of sheep being
pulled from drifts on the IOM. And anyhow, what difference
would it make if I hated snow anyway, it's effects would still
be the same.

Grow up Joe.

Perhaps you should take a step back and appreciate that
the vast majority of people aren't affected by snow like hill
farmers are, so it's perfectly reasonable for them to like it,
whilst acknowledging the dangers to some.

This brings up the question in my mind of whether it is disrespectful
(or even immoral) to get enjoyment out of something that causes
significant harm or destruction to others. It appears that Jim thinks
yes.

Can't enjoy peanuts because some people die from an allergy to peanuts.

Can't enjoy too much sun as some people suffer from an allergy to the
sun.

Can't enjoy the scent of flowers or new-mown hay because some people
suffer from an allergy to pollen or may have a fatal asthma attack.

Can't enjoy motoring because thousands die on the road every year.

Can't enjoy dry weather because crops may fail.

Can't enjoy rain because some may get too much and get flooded - and
crops may fail.

Can't enjoy a blustery day as someone may be injured by falling trees
or masonry - and crops may fail.

Can't enjoy a thunderstorm because someone may be struck by lightning
- and, through hail damage, crops may fail.

Can't enjoy alcohol as some people become addicted and heavy drinkers
live shorter lives than moderate drinkers.

Can't enjoy being teetotal (really?) because teetotallers live shorter
lives than moderate drinkers.


Can't win.



Some of those are rather dodgy analogies.

I can enjoy a peanut butter sandwich without anyone else getting an
allergic reaction.

It would have to be a very rare allergy for any sunshine at all to
trigger an allergic reaction.

If people wish for rain, they are usually not wishing for such
quantities as to cause problems. Similarly in the case of dry weather.

A blustery day does not, as a rule, cause trees to fall down, that would
be a gale or storm.

Wishing for and having an alcoholic drink does not affect any alcoholics
in the vicinity, similarly being alcohol free does not affect anyone else.

On the other hand, it is impossible to have snow in the quantities
wished for on this NG without it causing disruption to everyday life in
this country, or without it bringing a significant hazard to a
significant proportion of the population. This is why some may class it
as a little insensitive. A similar situation occurs at the other end of
the spectrum, namely heatwaves.

Too much snow
 

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:40:28 +0000
Adam Lea wrote:

On 28/03/13 20:07, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:14:38 +0000
Adam wrote:

On 28/03/13 06:31, Col wrote:
"Jim wrote in message
...

Unfortunately most of you urban snow worshippers don't have a
clue about the damage it does.

Try it here just now and see what happens when your childish
obsession takes a hold. It's death for the animals and financial
ruin for farmers.

Oh not the tired old 'liking snow is childish' argument again.
Of course ones's like or dislike of a weather type is going to
be coloured by how much one is adversely affected by it.
Perhaps you might like it if you lived in Essex?
I'd certainly hate it if I was a sheep farmer on the Isle of man.

A day or two of snow like we've got here, preventing you from
getting to Tesco would have most of you snowballers crying foul.
Whingeing about the council not doing enough.

That sounds harsh I know but sometimes ignorance is highly
irritating.

Now that's not fair. Us townies aren't ignorant of the effects of
snow, we've all seen the horrendous pictutes of sheep being
pulled from drifts on the IOM. And anyhow, what difference
would it make if I hated snow anyway, it's effects would still
be the same.

Grow up Joe.

Perhaps you should take a step back and appreciate that
the vast majority of people aren't affected by snow like hill
farmers are, so it's perfectly reasonable for them to like it,
whilst acknowledging the dangers to some.

This brings up the question in my mind of whether it is
disrespectful (or even immoral) to get enjoyment out of something
that causes significant harm or destruction to others. It appears
that Jim thinks yes.

Can't enjoy peanuts because some people die from an allergy to
peanuts.

Can't enjoy too much sun as some people suffer from an allergy to
the sun.

Can't enjoy the scent of flowers or new-mown hay because some people
suffer from an allergy to pollen or may have a fatal asthma attack.

Can't enjoy motoring because thousands die on the road every year.

Can't enjoy dry weather because crops may fail.

Can't enjoy rain because some may get too much and get flooded - and
crops may fail.

Can't enjoy a blustery day as someone may be injured by falling
trees or masonry - and crops may fail.

Can't enjoy a thunderstorm because someone may be struck by
lightning
- and, through hail damage, crops may fail.

Can't enjoy alcohol as some people become addicted and heavy
drinkers live shorter lives than moderate drinkers.

Can't enjoy being teetotal (really?) because teetotallers live
shorter lives than moderate drinkers.


Can't win.



Some of those are rather dodgy analogies.

I can enjoy a peanut butter sandwich without anyone else getting an
allergic reaction.

As long as you don't shake hands with them afterwards. ;-)


It would have to be a very rare allergy for any sunshine at all to
trigger an allergic reaction.

Yes, but I've known a few people who have to cover their skin from now
until autumn because of this allergy.


If people wish for rain, they are usually not wishing for such
quantities as to cause problems. Similarly in the case of dry weather.

Who said anything about wishing for rain. The argument was that we
shouldn't enjoy anything that may cause harm to others.


A blustery day does not, as a rule, cause trees to fall down, that
would be a gale or storm.

Wishing for and having an alcoholic drink does not affect any
alcoholics in the vicinity, similarly being alcohol free does not
affect anyone else.

You seem to be moving the goalposts again. What does being 'in the
vicinity' have to do with anything that has been said so far? I'm not
allowed to like snow in Bracknell because of the hill-farmers in
the IOM. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they're adjacent.

The point I made about enjoying alcohol is no different from what we're
being criticised for regarding enjoying snow.



--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
Carlos Seixas, Sonata nº 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXox7vonfEg
And for something completely different, Cumberland Gap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsU-LTwx8Co

Too much snow
 

In message , Col
writes

"Jim Kewley" wrote in message
...
In message , Col
writes

Perhaps you should take a step back and appreciate that
the vast majority of people aren't affected by snow like hill
farmers are, so it's perfectly reasonable for them to like it,
whilst acknowledging the dangers to some.


You know the score eh Col ? NOT.

Well you certainly sucsessfully rebutted my points with that reply. NOT.

Rebut what points exactly ? You like snow...........! Can't be arsed,
there's nothing in your shallow posts to merit thought.

--


Jim Kewley

Too much snow
 

In message -jade, Graham P Davis
writes


By the way, the '--' before your sig needs a space after it.




Well I'm suitably chastised after that gem.
--


Jim Kewley

Too much snow
 

In message , Anne Burgess
writes
You think that load of shyte was somehow relevant ? Dear me
this place gets worse all the time.
Jim Kewley

Jim, no-one, but no-one, is deriving any pleasure at all from
you sheep being suffocated by snow. I agree entirely that that
would be totally wrong, and like everyone else on this news
group, my heartfelt sympathy goes to the livestock caught in
this year's 'lambing storms', and the farmers involved. I can
try to understand the despair that must be causing, and must
have caused for centuries when similar 'freak' weather has
occurred.

But Col is right; snow in the right place and in the right
quantity is one of the beauties of nature, and it is possible to
enjoy seeing it, or walking in it, or skiing over it, or
photographing it, without wishing ill on sheep farmers.

Graham is right too with his list of analogies. Enjoying
something is a very long way from wishing anyone else harm by
the agency of it.

Anne


Fair comment Anne thanks, I do appreciate your point. I have gone a bit
over the top, mainly because most of the urban snow worshippers here
don't have a clue about the real life consequences of the stuff they,
bizarrely, seem to worship.

It's all very well posting excitedly about measuring 6cms in the garden,
or posting videos of snow in street lights. The carnage, disruption and
cost of a couple of feet is a different matter altogether.

Surely not all with an interest in the weather are obsessed with snow
and cold and hate warmth ? That can't be true, hopefully it's confined
to the posters here, there's so much more of interest in weather and
climate than cold and snow.

--

Jim

Too much snow
 

"Jim Kewley" wrote in message
...
In message , Col
writes

"Jim Kewley" wrote in message
...
In message , Col
writes

Perhaps you should take a step back and appreciate that
the vast majority of people aren't affected by snow like hill
farmers are, so it's perfectly reasonable for them to like it,
whilst acknowledging the dangers to some.


You know the score eh Col ? NOT.

Well you certainly sucsessfully rebutted my points with that reply. NOT.

Rebut what points exactly ? You like snow...........! Can't be arsed,
there's nothing in your shallow posts to merit thought.

Ah yes, accusing those you don't agree with of being 'shallow'.
Everybody here understands why you loathe snow, I'd be the same
in you situation. So why can't you understand why others might like it?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Too much snow
 

In message , Col
writes

Ah yes, accusing those you don't agree with of being 'shallow'.
Everybody here understands why you loathe snow, I'd be the same
in you situation. So why can't you understand why others might like it?

To a degree I understand your point, could we agree to differ and leave
it at that please ? Making enemies is not for me in day to day life,
neither do I wish to do it on the web.
..
--


Jim

Too much snow
 

"Jim Kewley" wrote in message
...
In message , Col
writes

Ah yes, accusing those you don't agree with of being 'shallow'.
Everybody here understands why you loathe snow, I'd be the same
in you situation. So why can't you understand why others might like it?

To a degree I understand your point, could we agree to differ and leave it
at that please ? Making enemies is not for me in day to day life, neither
do I wish to do it on the web.
.

Oh I see, the one who started all this by showering the accusations around,
whilst other have been understanding, is now wanting not to make enemies??

Unbelievable.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Too much snow
 

In article ,
Col writes:

"Jim Kewley" wrote in message
...
In message , Col
writes

Ah yes, accusing those you don't agree with of being 'shallow'.
Everybody here understands why you loathe snow, I'd be the same
in you situation. So why can't you understand why others might like it?

To a degree I understand your point, could we agree to differ and leave it
at that please ? Making enemies is not for me in day to day life, neither
do I wish to do it on the web.
.

Oh I see, the one who started all this by showering the accusations around,
whilst other have been understanding, is now wanting not to make enemies??

Unbelievable.

Given what Jim's been through with his sheep, I think it's
understandable that he made some intemperate remarks. I believe that we
should accept his olive branch.
--
John Hall
"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable
of giving pleasure to thousands and all you can do is scratch it."
Sir Thomas Beecham (1879-1961) to a lady cellist

Too much snow
 

On 02/04/2013 10:42, John Hall wrote:
In ,
writes:

"Jim wrote in message
...
In , Col
writes

Ah yes, accusing those you don't agree with of being 'shallow'.
Everybody here understands why you loathe snow, I'd be the same
in you situation. So why can't you understand why others might like it?

To a degree I understand your point, could we agree to differ and leave it
at that please ? Making enemies is not for me in day to day life, neither
do I wish to do it on the web.
.

Oh I see, the one who started all this by showering the accusations around,
whilst other have been understanding, is now wanting not to make enemies??

Unbelievable.

Given what Jim's been through with his sheep, I think it's
understandable that he made some intemperate remarks. I believe that we
should accept his olive branch.

Quite so, he’s losing or lost his livelihood. How would you feel Col,
if you lost your job?

I worked on a farm in my teens and I regularly go walking over moors and
hills. I see what farmers have to suffer with the weather. Not just
blizzards, there's floods, droughts, they're at the mercy of the
elements. Also, they're cheated by the supermarkets.

While I was working on the farm, I was told by the farmer not to touch
any bones in a particular field, as some cattle had been burnt, don’t
know whether it was foot and mouth or BSE. I can’t see it being BSE and
it was in the early 80's.

Joe
Wolverhampton.