2012 was one of the "top five wettest years on record", however the
beginning of the year saw a widespread drought across much of the UK. Join
David Shukman, Science Editor for BBC News, and Professor Tim Palmer FRS as
they discuss extreme and adverse weather conditions with Liz Howell, Head of
BBC Weather.

The video of their discussion is he

http://royalsociety.org/events/2013/adverse-weather/

"How do these events arise, how they are reported, and how can the latest
research improve the forecasting of storms or flooding in the future?

David Shukman previously worked at the BBC as European Correspondent, World
Affairs Correspondent and Environment and Science Correspondent. He has
reported from more than 90 countries, made a dozen trips to the Polar
regions and is one of the few journalists to have flown on a weather
research flight.

Professor Tim Palmer FRS is a Royal Society Research Professor in Climate
Physics at the University of Oxford. He has pioneered the development of
techniques to quantify uncertainty in weather and climate forecasts and was
previously Head of the Probability Forecast Division at the European Centre
for Medium Range Weather Forecasts.

Liz Howell is Head of BBC weather and develops weather forecasting and
presentation through the use of new platforms and technologies. She
previously secured the commissioning of 12 highly successful BBC1
documentaries on the 2012 drought."

On Friday, 26 April 2013 21:49:04 UTC+1, Alastair wrote:
2012 was one of the "top five wettest years on record", however the

beginning of the year saw a widespread drought across much of the UK. Join

David Shukman, Science Editor for BBC News, and Professor Tim Palmer FRS as

they discuss extreme and adverse weather conditions with Liz Howell, Head of

BBC Weather.



The video of their discussion is he



http://royalsociety.org/events/2013/adverse-weather/



"How do these events arise, how they are reported, and how can the latest

research improve the forecasting of storms or flooding in the future?



David Shukman previously worked at the BBC as European Correspondent, World

Affairs Correspondent and Environment and Science Correspondent. He has

reported from more than 90 countries, made a dozen trips to the Polar

regions and is one of the few journalists to have flown on a weather

research flight.



Professor Tim Palmer FRS is a Royal Society Research Professor in Climate

Physics at the University of Oxford. He has pioneered the development of

techniques to quantify uncertainty in weather and climate forecasts and was

previously Head of the Probability Forecast Division at the European Centre

for Medium Range Weather Forecasts.



Liz Howell is Head of BBC weather and develops weather forecasting and

presentation through the use of new platforms and technologies. She

previously secured the commissioning of 12 highly successful BBC1

documentaries on the 2012 drought."

Alastair

Give it a rest. AGW is dying on its feet. When people see their power bills exacerbated by 5% AGW tariffs and rising costs plus a massive hike in heating requirements due ironically to a strange run of cold NH winters; the penny will drop in a massive way.

"Lawrence13" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 26 April 2013 21:49:04 UTC+1, Alastair wrote:
2012 was one of the "top five wettest years on record", however the

beginning of the year saw a widespread drought across much of the UK.
Join

David Shukman, Science Editor for BBC News, and Professor Tim Palmer FRS
as

they discuss extreme and adverse weather conditions with Liz Howell, Head
of

BBC Weather.



The video of their discussion is he



http://royalsociety.org/events/2013/adverse-weather/



"How do these events arise, how they are reported, and how can the latest

research improve the forecasting of storms or flooding in the future?



David Shukman previously worked at the BBC as European Correspondent,
World

Affairs Correspondent and Environment and Science Correspondent. He has

reported from more than 90 countries, made a dozen trips to the Polar

regions and is one of the few journalists to have flown on a weather

research flight.



Professor Tim Palmer FRS is a Royal Society Research Professor in Climate

Physics at the University of Oxford. He has pioneered the development of

techniques to quantify uncertainty in weather and climate forecasts and
was

previously Head of the Probability Forecast Division at the European
Centre

for Medium Range Weather Forecasts.



Liz Howell is Head of BBC weather and develops weather forecasting and

presentation through the use of new platforms and technologies. She

previously secured the commissioning of 12 highly successful BBC1

documentaries on the 2012 drought."

Alastair

Give it a rest. AGW is dying on its feet. When people see their power bills
exacerbated by 5% AGW tariffs and rising costs plus a massive hike in
heating requirements due ironically to a strange run of cold NH winters;
the penny will drop in a massive way.
================================================== ====
Lawrence,

Get off my back. I can't post anything without you bringing up global
warming. This is about the weather last year, which was remarkable. Read
it! You might learn something.

Cheers, Alastair.

On Friday, April 26, 2013 11:50:13 PM UTC+1, Lawrence13 wrote:

Give it a rest. AGW is dying on its feet. When people see their power bills exacerbated by 5% AGW tariffs and rising costs plus a massive hike in heating requirements due ironically to a strange run of cold NH winters; the penny will drop in a massive way.

Your beliefs are silly and you get your stats from comic books.

From NOAA:

Global temperature highlights: Year-to-date

The first quarter of 2013 tied was the eighth warmest such period on record, with a combined global land and ocean average surface temperature of 1.04°F (0.58°C) above the 20th century average of 54.1°F (12.3°C). The margin of error is ±0.18°F (0.10°C).

The January–March worldwide land surface temperature was 1.85°F (1.03°C) above the 20th century average, making it the seventh warmest such period on record. The margin of error is ±0.40°F (0.22°C).

The global ocean surface temperature for the year-to-date was 0.74°F (0.41°C) above average, making it the eighth warmest such period on record. The margin of error is ±0.07°F (0.04°C).

Global temperatures are demonstrably high and even more so, considering we do not have El Nino conditions. Every single National science academy, every one of 660 scientific institutions, every author of almost 14,000 recent publications on climate science and every government that attended Cancun, Doha and Rio think that it is highly likely that anthropogenic CO2 is causing this.

Whatever you believe is, frankly, irrelevant. Follow the science, not what is in your head.

On 27/04/13 11:25, Dawlish wrote:

Whatever you believe is, frankly, irrelevant. Follow the science, not what is in your head.

Impossible, he isn't intelligent enough to override his cognitive biases.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/...ckfire-effect/

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:19:10 +0100
Adam Lea wrote:

On 27/04/13 11:25, Dawlish wrote:

Whatever you believe is, frankly, irrelevant. Follow the science,
not what is in your head.

Impossible, he isn't intelligent enough to override his cognitive
biases.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/...ckfire-effect/


It's not necessarily a matter of intelligence; I knew a creationist who
was otherwise quite intelligent. I get the impression that they somehow
switch off part - or most? - of their brain when it comes to their pet
loves and hates, perhaps it's an emotional thing.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
Free office softwa http://www.libreoffice.org/
Carlos Seixas, Sonata nº 1 - best version of this I've found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXox7vonfEg

On 27/04/2013 18:50, Graham P Davis wrote:
It's not necessarily a matter of intelligence; I knew a creationist who
was otherwise quite intelligent. I get the impression that they somehow
switch off part - or most? - of their brain when it comes to their pet
loves and hates, perhaps it's an emotional thing.

Believing Bull****: How Not to Get Sucked into an Intellectual Black Hole

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Believing-Bu.../dp/1616144114

I also knew a creationist who was a school teacher of biology. She
thought that Darwin was somebody who had a good idea but was completely
wrong. She thought the earth was 6000 years old and was created by her
god on a Saturday afternoon just around tea-time.

The above book went some way to explaining why apparently intelligent
people can believe such things.

Intellectual black holes are more common that we might think, many
people are in them.

--
Nick G
Otter Valley, Devon
20 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

On Saturday, 27 April 2013 18:19:10 UTC+1, Adam Lea wrote:
On 27/04/13 11:25, Dawlish wrote:



Whatever you believe is, frankly, irrelevant. Follow the science, not what is in your head.



Impossible, he isn't intelligent enough to override his cognitive biases.



http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/...ckfire-effect/

Keep those premiums up Adam.

On Apr 27, 8:44*am, "Alastair McDonald"
wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote in message

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On Friday, 26 April 2013 21:49:04 UTC+1, Alastair *wrote:
2012 was one of the "top five wettest years on record", however the

beginning of the year saw a widespread drought across much of the UK.
Join

David Shukman, Science Editor for BBC News, and Professor Tim Palmer FRS
as

they discuss extreme and adverse weather conditions with Liz Howell, Head
of

BBC Weather.

The video of their discussion is he

http://royalsociety.org/events/2013/adverse-weather/


Give it a rest. AGW is dying on its feet.

Get off my back. I can't post anything without you bringing up global
warming. This is about the weather last year, which was remarkable. *Read
it! You might learn something.

Some of us had Dawlish, you have Lawrence.

On Sunday, 28 April 2013 15:30:54 UTC+1, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Apr 27, 8:44*am, "Alastair McDonald"

wrote:

"Lawrence13" wrote in message



...



















On Friday, 26 April 2013 21:49:04 UTC+1, Alastair *wrote:

2012 was one of the "top five wettest years on record", however the



beginning of the year saw a widespread drought across much of the UK.

Join



David Shukman, Science Editor for BBC News, and Professor Tim Palmer FRS

as



they discuss extreme and adverse weather conditions with Liz Howell, Head

of



BBC Weather.



The video of their discussion is he



http://royalsociety.org/events/2013/adverse-weather/





Give it a rest. AGW is dying on its feet.



Get off my back. I can't post anything without you bringing up global

warming. This is about the weather last year, which was remarkable. *Read

it! You might learn something.



Some of us had Dawlish, you have Lawrence.

That's not particularly a good parallel is it.

I've never insulted Alastair or dared call him stupid when it's patently obvious that overall he has a better academic background than me. I also like Alastair very much as he has never reverted to insults and the like. I got up his nose and he has every right to say so. That's it forgotten now because he is always the gentleman.