On 28/05/2013 10:11, Alastair McDonald wrote:
"Vidcapper" wrote in message
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Take no notice of Adam as he's a eco fascist

That's a new one on me?

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Regards,

Paul Hyett

Paul,

Ecofascist has been around for a while but your reply has stimulated me into
finding out what it means. There is an entry in Wikipedia for Ecofascism so
it must have arrived!

There are two entries in the Urban Dictionary:
One for "eco-fascist"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=eco-fascist
A person who uses the unsubstantiated beliefs and sentiments of
environmentalism to impose their political will onto the scientifically
illiterate public to inflate their megalomanic sense of power. Usually at
the public's detriment.
...
Al Gore is one of the most notable and dogmatic eco-fascists for preaching
his prophecy of "Truth" for his own self-agrandizement and his obvious
agenda of demonizing the oil barons that defeated his political aspirations
to the US Presidency, which he clearly felt entitled to.

and another for "ecofascist"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=ecofascist
The belief that the life of a wombat or a mosquito is more valuable than
that of a human, and the willingness to hold a gun to the head of anyone who
disagrees.

I think that either definition would make the term off topic for this
newsgroup :-)

Cheers, Alastair.


Thanks for that.


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Regards,

Paul Hyett

On Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:46:43 UTC+1, jbm wrote:

Maybe I lashed out, but I don't take a single word back. I lived and
worked in London for a year, and found almost all the "London bred" to
be arrogant, self-centred, selfish with no care for anyone else not of
the same ilk.

London is less friendly - as are all huge cities. It's not particularly something specific to London as such and your sweeping assumptions are quite frightening. From my personal experience when I've moved into my last two properties on both occasions all my neighbours have got together to hold a "welcome the new neighbour" drinks. Bloody Londoners.

Richard

On 31/05/2013 10:05, Richard Dixon wrote:
On Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:46:43 UTC+1, jbm wrote:

Maybe I lashed out, but I don't take a single word back. I lived and
worked in London for a year, and found almost all the "London bred" to
be arrogant, self-centred, selfish with no care for anyone else not of
the same ilk.

London is less friendly - as are all huge cities. It's not particularly something specific to London as such and your sweeping assumptions are quite frightening. From my personal experience when I've moved into my last two properties on both occasions all my neighbours have got together to hold a "welcome the new neighbour" drinks. Bloody Londoners.

Richard


It's society in general. We’ve become more individualistic over the
last 35 years. Morality and sense of community as diminished which as
been caused, by free market capitalism pervading every part of society.
Hopefully, this deep recession / depression will alter most people's
priorities towards their fellow human.

Joe
Wolverhampton.

Maybe I lashed out, but I don't take a single word back. I lived and
worked in London for a year, and found almost all the "London bred" to
be arrogant, self-centred, selfish with no care for anyone else not of
the same ilk.

London is less friendly - as are all huge cities.

Richard

I think that's spot on, it's hardy to be overtly friendly surrounded by so many people. In Penzance every time you're 'in town' you pass people to chat to. (In Mousehole you have to get on with people!)

In any big city it's different (I lived in London for 5 years). You can't say hello to everyone you walk past for instance, but I enjoyed the change for a short while. The main problem was not the people, but the lack of local surfing beaches.

One thing I've learnt from the 600 or so different families from all over the world who've stayed at my cottage is that people are very varied, but almost all are perfectly decent human beings, several of whom have become good friends. It's good to meet people from very differing backgrounds.

Graham
Penzance http://www.turnstone-cottage.co.uk/

On 27/05/13 16:42, Vidcapper wrote:
On 27/05/2013 10:21, Adam Lea wrote:
On 27/05/13 07:36, Vidcapper wrote:
On 26/05/2013 15:54, Desperate Dan wrote:


You're a strange lot you English. You look down on everyone who isn't
English and hate the Germans.
An anti immigration view is endemic

Having some of them start chopping up British soldiers in the streets is
supposed to *endear* them to us?

Ah yes, the "them and us" mentality again. People are individuals, just
because someone does an act of atrocity supposedly in the name of some
religion does not mean everyone following that religion is going to
start chopping people up. This sort of tribal mentality really holds us
back as a species.


and now you have the nutters in UKIP as well as the Conservative
party to voice your narrow opinions.

All opinions are valid.


No they're not.

Excuse me?!

Whether you personally agree with someone's opinion is one thing, but
that doesn't alter the fact that everyone is entitled to belive what
they like!


Agreed, but that is not the same as saying all opinions are valid, which
is the statement I was disagreeing with.

For example, if I want an opinion on a particular subject, then the
opinions of someone who is an authority in that subject would be valid
whereas the opinions of someone who is clueless on that subject would
probably be useless.

"Adam Lea" wrote in message
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On 27/05/13 16:42, Vidcapper wrote:

Whether you personally agree with someone's opinion is one thing, but
that doesn't alter the fact that everyone is entitled to belive what
they like!


Agreed, but that is not the same as saying all opinions are valid, which
is the statement I was disagreeing with.

For example, if I want an opinion on a particular subject, then the
opinions of someone who is an authority in that subject would be valid
whereas the opinions of someone who is clueless on that subject would
probably be useless.

I can see the point you are making but does that mean that you have
to be a climate scientist in order for your opinion on global warming to be
'valid'?

And surely whether somebody is 'clueless' or not is also just an opinion?
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Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

On Friday, 31 May 2013 23:35:45 UTC+1, Adam Lea wrote:
On 27/05/13 16:42, Vidcapper wrote:

On 27/05/2013 10:21, Adam Lea wrote:

On 27/05/13 07:36, Vidcapper wrote:

On 26/05/2013 15:54, Desperate Dan wrote:





You're a strange lot you English. You look down on everyone who isn't

English and hate the Germans.

An anti immigration view is endemic



Having some of them start chopping up British soldiers in the streets is

supposed to *endear* them to us?



Ah yes, the "them and us" mentality again. People are individuals, just

because someone does an act of atrocity supposedly in the name of some

religion does not mean everyone following that religion is going to

start chopping people up. This sort of tribal mentality really holds us

back as a species.





and now you have the nutters in UKIP as well as the Conservative

party to voice your narrow opinions.



All opinions are valid.





No they're not.



Excuse me?!



Whether you personally agree with someone's opinion is one thing, but

that doesn't alter the fact that everyone is entitled to belive what

they like!





Agreed, but that is not the same as saying all opinions are valid, which

is the statement I was disagreeing with.



For example, if I want an opinion on a particular subject, then the

opinions of someone who is an authority in that subject would be valid

whereas the opinions of someone who is clueless on that subject would

probably be useless.

Yeah true

Just ask insurance companies , who are the so called experts and see how many wildly varying quotes you get. Or is that opinion?

On Saturday, 1 June 2013 09:11:08 UTC+1, Col wrote:
"Adam Lea" wrote in message

...

On 27/05/13 16:42, Vidcapper wrote:



Whether you personally agree with someone's opinion is one thing, but

that doesn't alter the fact that everyone is entitled to belive what

they like!





Agreed, but that is not the same as saying all opinions are valid, which

is the statement I was disagreeing with.



For example, if I want an opinion on a particular subject, then the

opinions of someone who is an authority in that subject would be valid

whereas the opinions of someone who is clueless on that subject would

probably be useless.



I can see the point you are making but does that mean that you have

to be a climate scientist in order for your opinion on global warming to be

'valid'?



And surely whether somebody is 'clueless' or not is also just an opinion?

--

Col



Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

Snow videos:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

I think there's a confusion in this discussion between having the right to express an opinion and that opinion being valid.

On 01/06/2013 10:30, Desperate Dan wrote:


I think there's a confusion in this discussion between having the right to express an opinion and that opinion being valid.

ISTM the term 'credible' would apply better than 'valid' here?

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Regards,

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Sunday, May 26, 2013 6:59:00 PM UTC+1, Joe Egginton wrote:
On 26/05/2013 15:54, Desperate Dan wrote:

On Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:33:16 AM UTC+1, Joe Egginton wrote:

On 26/05/2013 08:17, Bob Martin wrote:



in 379859 20130525 111001 "Col" wrote:



Joe Egginton wrote:







You've guesssed - RACIST!







Not necessarily racist but if you genuinely want to live in



a town with no 'foreigners' then you're certainly Xenophobic.







I spent my working life with a large multi-national and soon found I had far more



in common with French, German, Spanish etc colleagues than with my (English)



neighbours.



Mind you, Americans were a different matter!











I have nothing against foreigners. We are all the same - Human. When I



said I feel like I don't live in my own country anymore, it's because



quite often when on the bus, or around the city I don�t hear English



being spoken. A common language is important for social cohesion, in



making us feel we are one. As for the Americans they aren't that bad



once you get used to them. ;-)



You're a strange lot you English. You look down on everyone who isn't English and hate the Germans. An anti immigration view is endemic and now you have the nutters in UKIP as well as the Conservative party to voice your narrow opinions. If you don't want immigrants in the UK (I presume your country is the UK or is it just England?),then I presume you would stop emigration to other countries. After all, if you don't want them here then why should they have you in their country? Truthfully, you don't actually like one another, with those north of Watford being definite second class citizens.. You continually hark back to Victorian times, The Empire and all the vile imperialism that went with it. Sad!





I'm afraid to say Dan, that you've been listening and believing to many

left wing teachers. The British Empire was largely a force for good.



For a century, from 1815 to 1914 there was largely peace in Europe and

the world, through Pax Britannica. It was possible to travel the globe

and visit all continents using just one currency, speaking one language

and all without worry of molestation.



The countries we ruled, we ruled fairly. It did not try to extinguish

the cultures of other nations. Where native religions were opposed to

even simple moral behaviour, we introduced Christianity in order to

right the wrongs of primitive religions and allow these peoples to flower..



The fact that Britain was not interested in changing the cultures and

religions of the peoples it conquered can be seen most clearly in India.



Britain in the 19th century can be considered the educator of the world

- not a corner or a people did not benefit from the glow of western

civilisation and Anglo Saxon culture.



We opposed the slave trade in the 19th century and spread, fair

government, roads, railways, trade, and education.

I don't suppose you're interested in this but some may be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/13/op...e.html?hp&_r=0