On 2013-07-02 15:42:14 +0000, Lawrence13 said:



Not the Beatles, please, not the Beatles! The most over-rated group in
the history of music!

I have a friend like you around the age of 55 who never liked the
Beatles but worships the pretentious Bob Dylan. He almost hates stuff
like Charles Aznavour with the chanson as much as he hates the Beatle.
yet when I told him that Bob Dylan had said one of the best
performances he'd ever seen was Charles Aznavour; well that disturbed
greatly to say the least . The Beatle were great if anything
underrated but there was a snobby younger group who detested them
preferring stuff like Led Zepplin graduating to Tom Waits and the like.
For me no other band in history has ever written so many songs that
never once sounded the same.

Agreed. There seems to be a current trend of hating everything 60s
related. I don't know why, unless the youngsters of today find the idea
that their granny's generation had a great time in their teens, with
sex, drugs and rock 'n roll, too hard to take?

In that case, today's youth need to factor in the Vietnam War, the Cold
War, the killing of students by the National Guard in Ohio, the Soviet
invasion of Czechoslovakia, rioting in France, the assassination of
Martin Luther King and others; and more. Yeah, we had a great time.

Yes, there is a lot of bull**** spoken about The Beatles and they did
occasionally release some crap (stand up Ringo Starr?), and yes Sgt
Pepper is nowhere near the best album ever released, not even IMO the
best album that The Beatles released, but that does not mean they are
rubbish.

And before the bandwagon naysayers start, The Beatles are not my
favourite band of all time - but I fear that a revelation of who I
listen to the most would bring even more outpourings of ignorant
nonsense to this thread, so I will keep quiet.

On 2013-07-02 15:43:43 +0000, Lawrence13 said:

On Tuesday, 2 July 2013 11:28:15 UTC+1, Richard Dixon wrote:
On Tuesday, 2 July 2013 09:53:26 UTC+1, yttiw wrote:



For me, the sound of an electric guitar and a Hammond organ



The Hammond organ always does it for me...any band sporting one I tend
instantly to like...



Richard

Georgie Fame ?....Get away.


Yes, honestly

On Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:09:54 UTC+1, yttiw wrote:
On 2013-07-02 08:35:42 +0000, Desperate Dan said:



On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 9:29:38 AM UTC+1, yttiw wrote:

On 2013-07-01 09:47:03 +0000, Anne Burgess said:











snip But why do you get sixty-somethings who are still besotted by



The Beatles? Pathetic!







But if you take that attitude to extremes, why are other sixty



somethings still besotted with music that was produced before the



Beatles, i.e. Beethoven or Mozart?







Because, generally speaking, Beethoven, Mozart and Co wrote music which



(a) has pleasant tunes



(b) is harmonious



(c) isn't too loud



(d) doesn't require half a ton of amplification equipment







Anne







I presume that you are implying that the Beatles did not write any



music which satisfied those four criteria.







Have you listened to Blackbird, The Long And Winding Road, or Michelle?



(To name three off the top of my head.)







If not, perhaps you could - and then enlighten us as to which of your



four options those songs fail on?



Not the Beatles, please, not the Beatles! The most over-rated group in

the history of music!



Compared to whom?



Please give examples of under-rated groups in the history of music.

Why?

snip But why do you get sixty-somethings who are still
besotted by
The Beatles? Pathetic!

But if you take that attitude to extremes, why are other
sixty somethings still besotted with music that was produced
before the Beatles, i.e. Beethoven or Mozart?

Because, generally speaking, Beethoven, Mozart and Co wrote
music which
(a) has pleasant tunes
(b) is harmonious
(c) isn't too loud
(d) doesn't require half a ton of amplification equipment

Anne

I presume that you are implying that the Beatles did not write
any music which satisfied those four criteria.

I am implying nothing whatsoever. I made a plain statement in
reply to the question, 'why are other sixty-somethings besotted
with Mozart and Beethoven'. I wouldn't describe myself as
besotted, but I have said, quite simply, why I enjoy that sort
of music.

If other people get pleasure from the music of any other
composers or performers, that is fine by me, just as long as
they don't try to inflict what they like on me, and I will
happily refrain from forcing them to listen to Mozart and
Beethoven, or to any other music that happens to appeal to me.

The fact is that most of the music which is inflicted on people
who may not particularly wish to hear it tends to be pop music,
in shops, restaurants, on the beach, in buses, booming out of
the cars of boy racers, and so on.

Anne

On Wednesday, 3 July 2013 00:11:55 UTC+1, Anne Burgess wrote:
snip But why do you get sixty-somethings who are still

besotted by

The Beatles? Pathetic!



But if you take that attitude to extremes, why are other

sixty somethings still besotted with music that was produced

before the Beatles, i.e. Beethoven or Mozart?



Because, generally speaking, Beethoven, Mozart and Co wrote

music which

(a) has pleasant tunes

(b) is harmonious

(c) isn't too loud

(d) doesn't require half a ton of amplification equipment



Anne



I presume that you are implying that the Beatles did not write

any music which satisfied those four criteria.



I am implying nothing whatsoever. I made a plain statement in

reply to the question, 'why are other sixty-somethings besotted

with Mozart and Beethoven'. I wouldn't describe myself as

besotted, but I have said, quite simply, why I enjoy that sort

of music.



If other people get pleasure from the music of any other

composers or performers, that is fine by me, just as long as

they don't try to inflict what they like on me, and I will

happily refrain from forcing them to listen to Mozart and

Beethoven, or to any other music that happens to appeal to me.



The fact is that most of the music which is inflicted on people

who may not particularly wish to hear it tends to be pop music,

in shops, restaurants, on the beach, in buses, booming out of

the cars of boy racers, and so on.



Anne

Are you talking about now or in the sixties Anne?

"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 2 July 2013 12:39:04 UTC+1, Col wrote:

The Hammond organ always does it for me...any band sporting one I tend
instantly to like...

If you are not a Red Dwarf fan you will have no idea why I find that so
funny.....

Oddly enough it's one of the comedies I genuinely couldn't stand despite
most people loving it. Repeating 'smeg' losing its appeal after the 2nd
time around...

The word 'Smeg' was never inteded to be some kind of a running-joke,
or of the main threads of the show. It was jusr a mildly amusing
alternative swear word that could be used where our current ones couldn't.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

"yttiw" wrote in message
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On 2013-07-02 12:40:48 +0000, Richard Dixon said:

This song from The Rimmer Experience was one of the highlights
http://youtu.be/r-ZiI3iVgpM (and no, it is not as musically nuanced as

That's one of my favourite RD moments too, although series 7 as
a whole was one of the worse series.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

"Vidcapper" wrote in message
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On 02/07/2013 12:39, Col wrote:
"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 2 July 2013 09:53:26 UTC+1, yttiw wrote:

For me, the sound of an electric guitar and a Hammond organ

The Hammond organ always does it for me...any band sporting one I tend
instantly to like...

If you are not a Red Dwarf fan you will have no idea why I find that so
funny.....


I thought of Arnold Rimmer the instant I read it!

I knew there would be someone who got it
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

in 381552 20130702 170702 Vidcapper wrote:
On 02/07/2013 08:42, Bob Martin wrote:
in 381525 20130702 075115 Vidcapper wrote:
On 01/07/2013 19:13, Graham Easterling wrote:
A rather more professional recording, prog rock / fold combination to me http://www.youtube.com/
wa
tch?v=67EUKQikP2k

A rather depressing number of patronising posts in this thread, everyone's entitled to their
own taste. Classical music is not inherently superior, though fans of it
seem to consder it such.


Yes, it seems close to snobbery...

It is superior and has nothing to do with snobbery.
Beethoven and Mozart are the very peak of Western art.


The above is an opinion not a fact, though.

Yes, but a commonly-held opinion for over 200 years.

On Wednesday, 3 July 2013 05:38:34 UTC+1, Col wrote:

The word 'Smeg' was never inteded to be some kind of a running-joke,
or of the main threads of the show. It was jusr a mildly amusing
alternative swear word that could be used where our current ones couldn't.

Red Dwarf fans always seem overly defensive of the show...