On Monday, August 19, 2013 6:40:06 PM UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Phil Layton wrote:

On 19/08/2013 15:02, Graham P Davis wrote:



He is not killing the group; I'm sorry to say that it's those who

are leaving the group instead of kill-filing him that are responsible.

I rarely, if ever, see Dawlish's posts these days so, in effect, he and

his 'poison' just don't exist. Why, in that case, would I want to run

away from here with my tail between my legs?



I do follow a few forums, but only when there is no alternative. Most

of them are quite inferior to NNTP; the rest are very inferior. With

one piece of software, I can see on a single screen the state of all my

mail, RSS feeds and over thirty newsgroups. I can set it to

automatically update and highlight groups that have new posts. Could

someone like to explain how I would be able to manage that with forums?



As I said, I have reluctantly joined a few forums but get fed up with

the way they have different user-interfaces which often fail to do many

of the things I can do with a newsreader. Many times I've had to figure

out which way to achieve something an a particular forum, only to

finally realise that it's not possible on that one.



Please, people, don't run away.





Sorry Graham, I have tried the kill file method but it clearly doesn't

work as others who you have not kill filed just post their original

posts.. then you think you may as well kill fill most of the posters and

thats the time to leave.



I am seriously thinking of moving to UKWW too.



Phil

Guildford

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Well I had a quick look but was disappointed to see people denegrating

UKSW on there. This has been an excellent place for many people for many

years and frankly it has been a lot better the last six months than the

previous year. It' certainly less "cliquy" than it was. It will slip

back to its old ways with the usual passing idiots and the resident

cantakerous old ones but it doesn't bother me that much.

Dave

I agree with Dave's analysis. The venting of spleens is usual and normal on newsgroups (and forums). It has happened many times before and will continue to do so in the future. If you wish a narrow church, with an awful lot more idiots than you will find on here ("idiots" are in the eye of the beholder, of course) then moderated forums are for you.

I'd rather have free speech and comment on other people's posts, or ignore them, as I choose.

exmetman wrote:
Hi

There has been quite a bit of talk about the future of UKSW and the
state it's currently in.

As you know for the last 18 months or so I've been promoting a blog
(http://xmetman.wordpress.com) that I've built, as well as publicise
my Central England Temperature web site
(http://www.centralenglandtemperature.co.uk/). Its not easy on both
scores to interest people in weather and climate when there are so
many sites across the internet trying to do the same thing, but I
have been heartened over the last couple of weeks since starting to
post to the Net Weather forum that finally (after a lot of hard work)
my blog is starting to pick up some interest.


Does anybody post to Net Weather & The Weather Outlook,
how do they compare?

I post to TWO and it's a lot busier than here and there are several
local contributers with which I can compare readings/observations,
sadly unlike USW.

However it's pretty tightly moderated and most threads are 'standard'
e.g. the model output discussion thread and current conditions.

I can understand this to an extent as it has much higher traffic than here
and if it was a free for all would soon become a sprawling mess.

That said the moderators can be over-zealous in their never-ending
battle to keep things on-topic, I've even seen people told off for
posting that it was snowing in their location in the snow *potential* thread


I managed to get an entire thread removed just for mentioning the
name 'Piers Corbyn'. I didn't get a full explanation from the moderators
but from what I can gather there have been some issues with Corbyn
regarding him being mentioned there.

Now censorship like that is a complete anathema to me but I've been
posting to unmoderated uk.sci.weather for 15 years but moderated
TWO only since January and I'm not yet fully used to the ways of
such a forum.

I've just realised that seems like I'm having a bit of a go at TWO
but I'm not really, it's just that moving to a moderated forum is
something of a culture shock after a decade and a half of unmoderated
Usenet.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

"Wendy Tinley" wrote in message
...
Although I rarely contribute to the forum I've loved lurking and
learning and it is with a heavy heart that I'm awaiting my registration to
be confirmed 'from the other place'.

Likewise.

Phil

On 19/08/2013 17:35, Wendy Tinley wrote:
On 19/08/2013 16:24, Graham P Davis wrote:
As I've said before, the reader I'm using (Claws) allows highlighting of
'killed' messages so if a thread mainly glows red I tend to ignore it
or use the 'ignore thread' button. So, I wouldn't kill-file anyone for
replying to one of my 'killfilees', though I might wonder why they
bother feeding the troll's ego.

Hi Graham,

Truly I understand your concerns but, for me, the newsgroup has lost its
homely and friendly feel. It has become increasingly unpleasant due to
several posters choosing to react to our resident dementor. Several of
us have made heart felt requests for restraint, AKA 'don't feed the
troll', but our requests generally fall on deaf ears. I have never
understood why intelligent grown-ups cannot find the strength to just
ignore 'him'.

To be honest why should I have to jump through technical hoops to read
posts when many of the posters I followed have left?

Although I rarely contribute to the forum I've loved lurking and
learning and it is with a heavy heart that I'm awaiting my registration
to be confirmed 'from the other place'.

I'm sure I'll pop by to see how the group is proceeding and it will be
brilliant if it began to feel like home again, instead of some 4th year
common room.

All the best. x


I know what you mean Wendy. UKSW is a shadow of its former self. I've
just registered with UKWW.

I've looked into this forum every day for the past 10 years, and I feel
it’s near enough defunct now, with not many amateur or professional
meteorologists contributing any more. I'll continue to look in every
day, if UKWW is better after some months then I’ll probably delete UKSW
from my news reader.

The thing with web forums, trolls can be black balled permanently by
being hellbanned.


Joe
Wolverhampton.

Col wrote:
exmetman wrote:
Hi

There has been quite a bit of talk about the future of UKSW and the
state it's currently in.

As you know for the last 18 months or so I've been promoting a blog
(http://xmetman.wordpress.com) that I've built, as well as publicise
my Central England Temperature web site
(http://www.centralenglandtemperature.co.uk/). Its not easy on both
scores to interest people in weather and climate when there are so
many sites across the internet trying to do the same thing, but I
have been heartened over the last couple of weeks since starting to
post to the Net Weather forum that finally (after a lot of hard work)
my blog is starting to pick up some interest.


Does anybody post to Net Weather & The Weather Outlook,
how do they compare?

I post to TWO and it's a lot busier than here and there are several
local contributers with which I can compare readings/observations,
sadly unlike USW.

However it's pretty tightly moderated and most threads are 'standard'
e.g. the model output discussion thread and current conditions.

I can understand this to an extent as it has much higher traffic than here
and if it was a free for all would soon become a sprawling mess.

That said the moderators can be over-zealous in their never-ending
battle to keep things on-topic, I've even seen people told off for
posting that it was snowing in their location in the snow *potential* thread


I managed to get an entire thread removed just for mentioning the
name 'Piers Corbyn'. I didn't get a full explanation from the moderators
but from what I can gather there have been some issues with Corbyn
regarding him being mentioned there.

Now censorship like that is a complete anathema to me but I've been
posting to unmoderated uk.sci.weather for 15 years but moderated
TWO only since January and I'm not yet fully used to the ways of
such a forum.

I've just realised that seems like I'm having a bit of a go at TWO
but I'm not really, it's just that moving to a moderated forum is
something of a culture shock after a decade and a half of unmoderated
Usenet.
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I remember the days when Will used to have spats with Brian Gaze TWO
owner on here. I have to say I read it quite a bit and think some
aspects are good and it seems to have a much younger vibrant following.
But this youth also leads to some inappropriate behaiour as well
including moderators, as you say, who seem to ban people on the grounds
they don't agree with what they are saying, especially if they hint at
warm weather coming in a cold spell!
As for here, most of the noise comes from two main sources as far as I
can make out. That associated with the dislike of Dawlish, his arguments
and those who bait him and then moan about his responses to their
baiting. The other is the endless arguments about the extent and causes
of anything to do with AGW, which of course is a microcosm of the world
at large ;-)
Dave

On 19/08/2013 17:33, Vidcapper wrote:
On 19/08/2013 12:44, Wendy Tinley wrote:
On 17/08/2013 18:02, JCW wrote:

you should consider (also?) UKweatherworld.co.uk

Good bunch of people on UKWW. Very little if any pettiness and some
serious scientific contributors.
This is not to say there aren't some on other forums but UKWW, in my
opinion, seems the best in this regard.

Thanks Joe, I've just registered to join. I'm pretty much fed up with
the lack of restraint on here so will go and learn from that forum. Sad
because this place is the first thing I check in the morning, after
emails. Thanks again for the link.

I've just discovered I'd already signed up at some point in the past!


Way back in 2007, in fact!

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

On 19/08/13 23:09, Dave Cornwell wrote:

But this youth also leads to some inappropriate behaiour as well


snip

Just like to point out that inappropriate behaviour is not related to
age. One of the nastiest trolls on uk.rec.cycling is over 60, for example.

Adam Lea wrote:
On 19/08/13 23:09, Dave Cornwell wrote:

But this youth also leads to some inappropriate behaiour as well


snip

Just like to point out that inappropriate behaviour is not related to
age. One of the nastiest trolls on uk.rec.cycling is over 60, for example.
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Sorry Adam - wasn't being ageist. Just saying that the enthusiasm of
youth has its drawbacks just the same as does "grumpy old manism" !

On Monday, 19 August 2013 15:02:20 UTC+1, Graham P Davis wrote:


Bruce.
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Maybe everyone who doesn't like UKSW leaves and then it will be
back as it was!

Exactly. In the meantime with a decent newsreader killfile is my
friend. But wait, there are only 2 regulars in there.



Will Hand as joined UKWW, and I think I will soon. Dullish's poison
has nearly killed this ng. :-(



He is not killing the group; I'm sorry to say that it's those who
are leaving the group instead of kill-filing him that are responsible.
I rarely, if ever, see Dawlish's posts these days so, in effect, he and
his 'poison' just don't exist. Why, in that case, would I want to run
away from here with my tail between my legs?


If people are leaving the group because of Dawlish then it is Dawlish who is responsible for its decline, not the people who leave. Or you can stay and challenge him on the grounds that no-one should be allowed to behave the way he has done and get away with it. Recently, quite off his own bat, he concocted out of thin air five spurious emails said to have come from group members and critical of me. They didn't exist - he lied. Am I supposed to sit back, accept this attempted smear and not say anything? Sod that.
I don't killfile, having no idea how to and wouldn't even if I did. I'm far too interested in people per se for that sort of thing and it seems petty.
This is all tremendously time-wasting and energy-consuming, all because of one person.

Tudor Hughes

On Monday, 19 August 2013 17:35:07 UTC+1, Wendy Tinley wrote:
On 19/08/2013 16:24, Graham P Davis wrote:
As I've said before, the reader I'm using (Claws) allows highlighting of
'killed' messages so if a thread mainly glows red I tend to ignore it
or use the 'ignore thread' button. So, I wouldn't kill-file anyone for
replying to one of my 'killfilees', though I might wonder why they
bother feeding the troll's ego.

Hi Graham,

Truly I understand your concerns but, for me, the newsgroup has lost its
homely and friendly feel. It has become increasingly unpleasant due to
several posters choosing to react to our resident dementor. Several of
us have made heart felt requests for restraint, AKA 'don't feed the
troll', but our requests generally fall on deaf ears. I have never
understood why intelligent grown-ups cannot find the strength to just
ignore 'him'.

Because we're human beings. We don't "choose" to react, we just react. I cannot remain detached about such deliberate rudeness, arrogance and duplicity. Dawlish is quite outside the range of all the people I have ever met, an utter monstrosity.

Tudor Hughes