I certainly can't recall such relentlessly similar charts since I've
been looking at computer models over the last 10 years. The thing that
strikes me is the small variation in the tracks of the lows. Apart from
zero cold snaps (or even hints at them in future charts) there haven't
been any brief northerlies or north westerlies which usually occur
during the odd transitional phase.
Dave, S.Essex

In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
I certainly can't recall such relentlessly similar charts since I've
been looking at computer models over the last 10 years. The thing
that strikes me is the small variation in the tracks of the lows. Apart
from zero cold snaps (or even hints at them in future charts) there
haven't been any brief northerlies or north westerlies which
usually occur during the odd transitional phase.
Dave, S.Essex

I think you might have to go back to 1962-3 to find a winter as
remarkable as this one, for southern England at least. Of course 1962-3
was remarkable in a very different way. I can't remember another winter
with such frequent or (for the most part) deep depressions affecting us.
--
John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

On 06/02/2014 19:27, John Hall wrote:
In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
I certainly can't recall such relentlessly similar charts since I've
been looking at computer models over the last 10 years. The thing
that strikes me is the small variation in the tracks of the lows. Apart
from zero cold snaps (or even hints at them in future charts) there
haven't been any brief northerlies or north westerlies which
usually occur during the odd transitional phase.
Dave, S.Essex

I think you might have to go back to 1962-3 to find a winter as
remarkable as this one, for southern England at least. Of course 1962-3
was remarkable in a very different way. I can't remember another winter
with such frequent or (for the most part) deep depressions affecting us.


1989/90?

In article ,
Adam Lea writes:
On 06/02/2014 19:27, John Hall wrote:
In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
I certainly can't recall such relentlessly similar charts since I've
been looking at computer models over the last 10 years. The thing
that strikes me is the small variation in the tracks of the lows. Apart
from zero cold snaps (or even hints at them in future charts) there
haven't been any brief northerlies or north westerlies which
usually occur during the odd transitional phase.
Dave, S.Essex

I think you might have to go back to 1962-3 to find a winter as
remarkable as this one, for southern England at least. Of course 1962-3
was remarkable in a very different way. I can't remember another winter
with such frequent or (for the most part) deep depressions affecting us.


1989/90?

I don't thing in that winter it kept up quite so unrelentingly for so
long. Mind you, as it was only just over 20 years ago it's a bit recent
for me to remember it clearly.
--
John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

On Friday, February 7, 2014 3:06:31 PM UTC, John Hall wrote:
In article...
Adam Lea writes:

On 06/02/2014 19:27, John Hall wrote:

In article

Dave Cornwell writes:

I certainly can't recall such relentlessly similar charts since I've

been looking at computer models over the last 10 years. The thing

that strikes me is the small variation in the tracks of the lows. Apart

from zero cold snaps (or even hints at them in future charts) there

haven't been any brief northerlies or north westerlies which

usually occur during the odd transitional phase.

Dave, S.Essex



I think you might have to go back to 1962-3 to find a winter as

remarkable as this one, for southern England at least. Of course 1962-3

was remarkable in a very different way. I can't remember another winter

with such frequent or (for the most part) deep depressions affecting us.





1989/90?



I don't thing in that winter it kept up quite so unrelentingly for so

long. Mind you, as it was only just over 20 years ago it's a bit recent

for me to remember it clearly.

--

John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat

The subjects of the King,

And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:

Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

The difference with that one was that it wasn't as cyclonic - spells with westerlies and pressure around 1016mb in the south were more frequent (source wetterzentrale). ISTR a lot of drizzly warm sectors and a fair few mild but dry days that winter. I don't think there was such extensive heavy shower-type rainfall, apart from during two weeks in December before Christmas. I actually don't remember that winter as being spectacularly wet - less so than 93/4 or 94/5 for example - yet apart from 1914/5 it is the wettest winter on record. Maybe the extreme south had it drier in 89/90 - the pressure patterns would suggest that was the case.

On 07/02/2014 15:06, John Hall wrote:
In article ,
Adam Lea writes:
On 06/02/2014 19:27, John Hall wrote:
In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
I certainly can't recall such relentlessly similar charts since I've
been looking at computer models over the last 10 years. The thing
that strikes me is the small variation in the tracks of the lows. Apart
from zero cold snaps (or even hints at them in future charts) there
haven't been any brief northerlies or north westerlies which
usually occur during the odd transitional phase.
Dave, S.Essex

I think you might have to go back to 1962-3 to find a winter as
remarkable as this one, for southern England at least. Of course 1962-3
was remarkable in a very different way. I can't remember another winter
with such frequent or (for the most part) deep depressions affecting us.


1989/90?

I don't thing in that winter it kept up quite so unrelentingly for so
long. Mind you, as it was only just over 20 years ago it's a bit recent
for me to remember it clearly.


How about 1994/5. I seem to remember that winter being quoted as the
third wettest that century at the time.

In article ,
Adam Lea writes:
On 07/02/2014 15:06, John Hall wrote:
In article ,
Adam Lea writes:
On 06/02/2014 19:27, John Hall wrote:
In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
I certainly can't recall such relentlessly similar charts since I've
been looking at computer models over the last 10 years. The thing
that strikes me is the small variation in the tracks of the lows. Apart
from zero cold snaps (or even hints at them in future charts) there
haven't been any brief northerlies or north westerlies which
usually occur during the odd transitional phase.
Dave, S.Essex

I think you might have to go back to 1962-3 to find a winter as
remarkable as this one, for southern England at least. Of course 1962-3
was remarkable in a very different way. I can't remember another winter
with such frequent or (for the most part) deep depressions affecting us.


1989/90?

I don't thing in that winter it kept up quite so unrelentingly for so
long. Mind you, as it was only just over 20 years ago it's a bit recent
for me to remember it clearly.


How about 1994/5. I seem to remember that winter being quoted
as the third wettest that century at the time.

That's even more recent, so I don't remember it at all.
--
John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:27:07 +0000
John Hall wrote:

In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
I certainly can't recall such relentlessly similar charts since I've
been looking at computer models over the last 10 years. The thing
that strikes me is the small variation in the tracks of the lows.
Apart from zero cold snaps (or even hints at them in future charts)
there haven't been any brief northerlies or north westerlies which
usually occur during the odd transitional phase.
Dave, S.Essex

I think you might have to go back to 1962-3 to find a winter as
remarkable as this one, for southern England at least. Of course
1962-3 was remarkable in a very different way. I can't remember
another winter with such frequent or (for the most part) deep
depressions affecting us.

There is a factor connecting this winter with 1962-3. In that winter,
I recall that the NE Pacific and Atlantic south of the Grand Banks had
large cold pools which, it was believed at the time, caused a mild
winter over the USA and severe cold over Europe with a high pressure
anomaly over Iceland and low over the Azores during JAn-Feb.

This year the two areas are warm, the Pacific area particularly so from
well before the start of the winter. The two warm areas have this year
combined to produce a severe winter over the eastern USA and the
stormy, zonal weather across the Atlantic and Europe.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. Mail: 'newsman' not 'newsboy'.
"Welcome to the year of the whores. People around the globe celebrate."
- BBC News subtitle

In article 20140207065242.0c62d16f@home-1,
Graham P Davis writes:
There is a factor connecting this winter with 1962-3. In that winter,
I recall that the NE Pacific and Atlantic south of the Grand Banks
had large cold pools which, it was believed at the time, caused a
mild winter over the USA and severe cold over Europe with a high
pressure anomaly over Iceland and low over the Azores during
JAn-Feb.

This year the two areas are warm, the Pacific area particularly so
from well before the start of the winter. The two warm areas have
this year combined to produce a severe winter over the eastern
USA and the stormy, zonal weather across the Atlantic and
Europe.

I noticed in today's paper that Anchorage, Vancouver and Seattle have
all turned a fair bit colder. Let's hope that's the sign of a pattern
change.
--
John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

On Fri, 7 Feb 2014 15:08:22 +0000
John Hall wrote:

In article 20140207065242.0c62d16f@home-1,
Graham P Davis writes:
There is a factor connecting this winter with 1962-3. In that winter,
I recall that the NE Pacific and Atlantic south of the Grand Banks
had large cold pools which, it was believed at the time, caused a
mild winter over the USA and severe cold over Europe with a high
pressure anomaly over Iceland and low over the Azores during
JAn-Feb.

This year the two areas are warm, the Pacific area particularly so
from well before the start of the winter. The two warm areas have
this year combined to produce a severe winter over the eastern
USA and the stormy, zonal weather across the Atlantic and
Europe.

I noticed in today's paper that Anchorage, Vancouver and Seattle have
all turned a fair bit colder. Let's hope that's the sign of a pattern
change.

In another thread, I mentioned a break in the Californian drought also;
a recent lowering of SST anomalous warmth in the southern Namias area
_may_ also signify a change of type for N America. However, the warmth
south of the Grand Banks still suggests continued cyclonic activity
for the UK.


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. Mail: 'newsman' not 'newsboy'.
"Welcome to the year of the whores. People around the globe celebrate."
- BBC News subtitle