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Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My
point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to
"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out
the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few
feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.

The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have
to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the
laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have
never represented reality.

Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our
children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million
climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.

Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup
with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times
the real price of electricity.

It's a big con game.

David

On Sunday, 9 February 2014 00:03:16 UTC, Joe Egginton wrote:
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Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My

point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to

"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out

the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few

feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.



The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have

to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the

laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have

never represented reality.



Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our

children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million

climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.



Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup

with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times

the real price of electricity.



It's a big con game.



David

Get in there my son.

On 09/02/2014 00:03, Joe Egginton wrote:
Copied from UK.railway

Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My
point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to
"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out
the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few
feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.

The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have
to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the
laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have
never represented reality.

Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our
children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million
climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.

Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup
with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times
the real price of electricity.

It's a big con game.

David

Someone talking ******** on Usenet, what a surprise - NOT.

On Sunday, 9 February 2014 01:14:47 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 09/02/2014 00:03, Joe Egginton wrote:

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Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My

point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to

"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out

the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few

feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.



The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have

to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the

laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have

never represented reality.



Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our

children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million

climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.



Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup

with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times

the real price of electricity.



It's a big con game.



David



Someone talking ******** on Usenet, what a surprise - NOT.

Adam we are entering a massive cooling phase-come to terms with it.

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 12:03:16 AM UTC, Joe Egginton wrote:
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Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My

point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to

"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out

the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few

feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.



The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have

to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the

laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have

never represented reality.



Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our

children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million

climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.



Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup

with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times

the real price of electricity.



It's a big con game.



David

And which scientist said it was? Oh, I see; copied from UK railway from someone with no qualifications called "David".

Another straw man used as disinformation by this far right-wing climate denier. As Adam said, it's just ********; not science.

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:14:36 AM UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 12:03:16 AM UTC, Joe Egginton wrote:

Copied from UK.railway







Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My



point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to



"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out



the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few



feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.







The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have



to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the



laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have



never represented reality.







Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our



children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million



climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.







Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup



with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times



the real price of electricity.







It's a big con game.







David



And which scientist said it was? Oh, I see; copied from UK railway from someone with no qualifications called "David".



Another straw man used as disinformation by this far right-wing climate denier. As Adam said, it's just ********; not science.

Just to inform the ignorant one about the state of play in the actual science and to perhaps educate them that the place to acquire your scientific knowledge about climate change and the incidence of extreme weather is not UK..Railway and a person called "David", here's Julia Sligo talking sense:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26084625

Climate change is likely to be a factor in the extreme weather that has hit much of the UK in recent months, the Met Office's chief scientist has said..

Dame Julia Slingo said the variable UK climate meant there was "no definitive answer" to what caused the storms.

"But all the evidence suggests there is a link to climate change," she added.

"There is no evidence to counter the basic premise that a warmer world will lead to more intense daily and hourly rain events."

Note the words "......is likely", in the first sentence. No scientist of Julia's stature would currently link a particular event, like the UK storms, or the cold in the USA, or any one the plethora of extreme weather events to climate change, but all know the state of play - "there is no evidence to counter the basic premise a warmer world will lead to more intense daily and hourly rain events."

Now go on, denier, try do the usual denier ad hominem on the excellent, world-renowned climate scientist who has, hopefully, provided some education for you. Or attack me - but I really don't care; all I do is to show you the actual science. Actually, no-one cares whether you learn from it, or whether you continue to get your science from denier blogs, or from "David" on UK.railway. *))

On 09/02/2014 01:14, Adam Lea wrote:
On 09/02/2014 00:03, Joe Egginton wrote:
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Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My
point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to
"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out
the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few
feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.

The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have
to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the
laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have
never represented reality.

Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our
children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million
climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.

Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup
with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times
the real price of electricity.

It's a big con game.

David

Someone talking ******** on Usenet, what a surprise - NOT.

So you're saying two wrongs don't make a right?

--

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:21:33 AM UTC, Malcolm wrote:
In article ,

Lawrence Jenkins writes

On Sunday, 9 February 2014 01:14:47 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:





Someone talking ******** on Usenet, what a surprise - NOT.



Adam we are entering a massive cooling phase-come to terms with it.



Lawrence, that is as much nonsense as the article Joe posted here. It's

time you came to terms with the fact that we are NOT "entering a massive

cooling phase". If so, why was 2013 the 6th warmest year since records

began in 1880?



--

Malcolm

And why the last decade was easily the warmest on record and why the two warmest years on record both fell into that decade and why current global temperatures are close to record values, despite ENSO neutral conditions and the PDO being negative and.........etc. etc. etc.

However, a climate denier like larry is capable of convincing himself of anything. "A massive colloid period" is coming. On current evidence, that's just laughable - but then again, so are larry's views on climate change.

On Sunday, 9 February 2014 00:03:16 UTC, Joe Egginton wrote:
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Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My

point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to

"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out

the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few

feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.



The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have

to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the

laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have

never represented reality.



Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our

children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million

climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.



Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup

with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times

the real price of electricity.



It's a big con game.



David

Emerging "evidence" of man made climate change playing a PART not the WHOLE in weather events is starting to emerge see http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...ateevents.html

The full paper can be downloaded from the article.

On Sunday, 9 February 2014 09:46:13 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 8:21:33 AM UTC, Malcolm wrote:

In article ,



Lawrence Jenkins writes



On Sunday, 9 February 2014 01:14:47 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:











Someone talking ******** on Usenet, what a surprise - NOT.







Adam we are entering a massive cooling phase-come to terms with it.







Lawrence, that is as much nonsense as the article Joe posted here. It's



time you came to terms with the fact that we are NOT "entering a massive



cooling phase". If so, why was 2013 the 6th warmest year since records



began in 1880?







--



Malcolm



And why the last decade was easily the warmest on record and why the two warmest years on record both fell into that decade and why current global temperatures are close to record values, despite ENSO neutral conditions and the PDO being negative and.........etc. etc. etc.



However, a climate denier like larry is capable of convincing himself of anything. "A massive colloid period" is coming. On current evidence, that's just laughable - but then again, so are larry's views on climate change.

Yet looking at the 10000 year record from ice cores it is clear that the last 10 years are the 548th coldest on record.