On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:17:59 AM UTC, Freddie wrote:
pattern isn't conducive to retrogression.

Yes, that's your assertion. I could say the moon was made of green cheese,

but it wouldn't be true without me providing evidence.

As Will suggested, I would read up on Rossby waves to further your

There's the usual dismissive point and deliberately patronising

comment you tried to make before Freddie.

And it wouldn't teach anyone anything about the period of 16-19 March in the UK. It teaches you what the theory says *should* happen in general situations, but without upper air charts, how can anyone apply theory to practice?

It was made in neither a dismissive nor a patronising way - that's just

your interpretation of it. You say you are open to learning, so I was

guiding you to that further learning.

Ouch.

No reading will change that movement of the high

from our East to our SW between 16-19 March

- because that's exactly what happened, isn't

it (you have pointed this out yourself).

I have pointed out in my earlier commentary that there was one high

centre (e) in that time period (that formed around 49N18W around midday

on the 14th) and that wandered around a small area 47-49N 15-20W before


Nowhere in that

commentary did I suggest that the high over the UK (which actually had

moved east into the North sea and dispersed during the 13th) moved in a

southwesterly direction.

You keep talking about this, but you are providing no evidence that retrogression did not occur.

Freddie; I said that retrogression led to the introduction of cooler are with a W-NW flow; which is exactly what happened between 16-19 March and is exactly what your given co-ordinates for the movement of that high in that time show.

If you could provide a link you would.

I did provide a link - google "Rossby waves". You will be presented

with a plethora of resources that you can consume at your leisure.

Apologies for the slow reply to your post - I had spotted your earlier

reply (at 20:05 on Monday) and assumed you were lost for words. Hence I

didn't pick up on this post till this morning.

Freddie

That is not the link to the upper air charts which you have said would support your assertion. I have investigated the dynamics of Rossby waves, promise you, after a silly mistake of mine a couple of years ago. That's because I am highly capable of learning and you learn better from your mistakes and when you are stuck than ever you do from a standpoint of MetO patronisation and hubris - from which my learning at the time came (that person does/does not post here now, take your pick, after being shown he was clearly wrong about a different matter but couldn't accept it due to those two failings.).

You are surely not saying that a "link" to google "Rossby waves" would tell us all about the retrogression on 16-19 March, which you have already shown us by saying that the high moved from our East to our SW, are you, Freddie?? It is clear that you have no link to upper air data to back your assertions and I can only conclude that you are trying either to do this from memory Freddie (like the high never making it to our east, which it most certainly did and now you accept), or you simply have no evidence for this, but you are finding it impossible to admit you may have made a mistake.

PS. No worries; we both have lives outside of usenet, which has been established. Yes; I was lost for words.

PPS Thank you for being civil. and generally ignoring the ephemera which these kind of discussions tend to attract. No-one else has even attempted to provide evidence that my statement is wrong. I am very willing to learn and would have and will still, accept admit that retrogression didn't occur, but I have seen no evidence to the contrary, short of assertion and that leaves me saying that my original summary that retrogression led to cooler air, in a W-NW airstream happened during that 10th-20th March forecast period.

I have pointed out in my earlier commentary that there was one high

centre (e) in that time period (that formed around 49N18W around midday

on the 14th) and that wandered around a small area 47-49N 15-20W before


Nowhere in that

commentary did I suggest that the high over the UK (which actually had

moved east into the North sea and dispersed during the 13th) moved in a

southwesterly direction.

You keep talking about this, but you are providing no evidence that
retrogression did not occur.
My commentary is my evidence. I notice that you don't provide a
commentary - you just expect me to accept what you say.

If you could provide a link you would.

I did provide a link - google "Rossby waves". You will be presented

with a plethora of resources that you can consume at your leisure.

Apologies for the slow reply to your post - I had spotted your earlier

reply (at 20:05 on Monday) and assumed you were lost for words. Hence I

didn't pick up on this post till this morning.

Freddie

That is not the link to the upper air charts which you have said
would support your assertion.
Apologies. I thought you were asking for a link to the theory of Rossby
waves. I will find a link to upper air charts this evening.

you learn better from your mistakes
If you can admit to making them in the first place.


You are surely not saying that a "link" to google "Rossby waves"
would tell us all about the retrogression on 16-19 March
No -the link would show you that retrogression didn't occur.

It is clear that you have no link to upper air data to
back your assertions
I will supply this.

No-one else has even attempted to provide evidence that
my statement is wrong.

That hasn't escaped my attention either. Maybe others are waiting for
me to present my evidence first?

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Freddie
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On Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:50:12 AM UTC, Freddie wrote:

snip for brevity

You keep talking about this, but you are providing no evidence that

retrogression did not occur.

My commentary is my evidence.

Freddie; a commentary - i.e. your assertions about upper air data - is not evidence. The evidence is there in the charts.

I notice that you don't provide a

commentary - you just expect me to accept what you say.


Not really Freddie. I have referred you to your own lat/longs showing a movement of the high from our East (which you now accept) to our SW. In addition, the charts show exactly that in the period 16-19 March.

Snip for brevity and to remove stupid google groups doubleplusungood spacing

That is not the link to the upper air charts which you have said

would support your assertion.

Apologies. I thought you were asking for a link to the theory of Rossby

waves. I will find a link to upper air charts this evening.

Thank you.

you learn better from your mistakes

If you can admit to making them in the first place.

tuoche.

You are surely not saying that a "link" to google "Rossby waves"

would tell us all about the retrogression on 16-19 March

No -the link would show you that retrogression didn't occur.

On 16-19 March 2014???

It is clear that you have no link to upper air data to

back your assertions

I will supply this.

No-one else has even attempted to provide evidence that

my statement is wrong.

That hasn't escaped my attention either. Maybe others are waiting for

me to present my evidence first?

Maybe. I look forward to it. Really, I do.

Freddie

On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 05:48:44 -0700 (PDT), Dawlish
wrote:
My commentary is my evidence.
Freddie; a commentary - i.e. your assertions about upper air data -
is not evidence. The evidence is there in the charts.
No - the commentary was my description of the movement of the various
high pressure centres on the charts. I agree that the evidence is
there in the charts - hence the commentary. Assertions are assertions
(backed up by Rossby wave theory - not just plucked out of thin air)
not the commentary on the charts.

I notice that you don't provide a
commentary - you just expect me to accept what you say.
Not really Freddie. I have referred you to your own lat/longs
showing a movement of the high from our East (which you now accept)
to our SW. In addition, the charts show exactly that in the period
16-19 March.
Yes, but as I have previously explained, the only high that moved
southwest was one that formed well to the wsw of the uk (referenced
in my commentary as high 'e'), and it moved in that direction due to
the slack upper flow in that area (and certainly didn't have any
influence on UK weather). The high that moved to our east during the
period in question decayed over the North Sea and any remnant ridging
was eroded from the north during the 14th and 15th.

tuoche.
*touche

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Freddie
Castle Pulverbatch
Shropshire
221m AMSL
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On Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:34:14 PM UTC, Freddie wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 05:48:44 -0700 (PDT), Dawlish

wrote:

My commentary is my evidence.

Freddie; a commentary - i.e. your assertions about upper air data -

is not evidence. The evidence is there in the charts.

No - the commentary was my description of the movement of the various

high pressure centres on the charts. I agree that the evidence is

there in the charts - hence the commentary. Assertions are assertions

(backed up by Rossby wave theory - not just plucked out of thin air)

not the commentary on the charts.



I notice that you don't provide a

commentary - you just expect me to accept what you say.

Not really Freddie. I have referred you to your own lat/longs

showing a movement of the high from our East (which you now accept)

to our SW. In addition, the charts show exactly that in the period

16-19 March.

Yes, but as I have previously explained, the only high that moved

southwest was one that formed well to the wsw of the uk (referenced

in my commentary as high 'e'), and it moved in that direction due to

the slack upper flow in that area (and certainly didn't have any

influence on UK weather). The high that moved to our east during the

period in question decayed over the North Sea and any remnant ridging

was eroded from the north during the 14th and 15th.


Freddie


Any sign of those upper air charts to back these assertions, Freddie?

Any sign of those upper air charts

Patience, Grasshopper, I have had bigger fish to fry.

--
Freddie
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Shropshire
221m AMSL
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On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:05:44 AM UTC+1, Freddie wrote:


Any sign of those upper air charts

Patience, Grasshopper, I have had bigger fish to fry.

Freddie


Ha! Same for all of us. Just asking, as it's been a while.

snip
You were quite right, Paul. I concur - it was retrogression. I must go
away and brush up on my dynamic meteorology skills.

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Freddie
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Shropshire
221m AMSL
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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:12:22 AM UTC+1, Freddie wrote:
snip

You were quite right, Paul. I concur - it was retrogression. I must go

away and brush up on my dynamic meteorology skills.



--

Freddie

Castle Pulverbatch

Shropshire

221m AMSL

http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/

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Oh come on Freddie. That's not the case at all and that's not necessary. 20+ posts asserting the opposite says you believe the exact opposite to what you've just said. Those upper air charts will surely help you - and I may well agree with you, after having seen them.

On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 02:32:10 -0700 (PDT), Dawlish
wrote:
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:12:22 AM UTC+1, Freddie wrote:
snip

You were quite right, Paul. I concur - it was retrogression. I
must go=



away and brush up on my dynamic meteorology skills.



--

Freddie

Castle Pulverbatch

Shropshire

221m AMSL

http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/

http://twitter.com/PulverbatchWx for hourly reports


Oh come on Freddie. That's not the case at all and that's not
necessary. 20=
+ posts asserting the opposite says you believe the exact opposite
to what =
you've just said. Those upper air charts will surely help you - and
I may w=
ell agree with you, after having seen them.

What's the date today, Paul? *))

--
Freddie
Castle Pulverbatch
Shropshire
221m AMSL
http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/
http://twitter.com/PulverbatchWx for hourly reports