I've noticed at my local park (part of Epping Forest) that the oaks seem to be beating the ash into leaf - similar to last year which heralded a decent summer.

The veteran trees, and the park, have a very interesting history.

https://wansteadmeteo.wordpress.com/...wanstead-park/

On 12/04/2015 11:02, Scott W wrote:
I've noticed at my local park (part of Epping Forest) that the oaks seem to be beating the ash into leaf - similar to last year which heralded a decent summer.

Around 'ere the oaks always seem to be out before the ash. In fact, I've
never known them not to be.

--
Nick Gardner
Otter Valley, Devon
20 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

in 415921 20150412 192440 Nick Gardner wrote:
On 12/04/2015 11:02, Scott W wrote:
I've noticed at my local park (part of Epping Forest) that the oaks seem to be beating the ash int
o leaf - similar to last year which heralded a decent summer.

Around 'ere the oaks always seem to be out before the ash. In fact, I've
never known them not to be.

Same here in South Hants.

In message , Bob Martin
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in 415921 20150412 192440 Nick Gardner wrote:
On 12/04/2015 11:02, Scott W wrote:
I've noticed at my local park (part of Epping Forest) that the oaks
seem to be beating the ash int
o leaf - similar to last year which heralded a decent summer.

Around 'ere the oaks always seem to be out before the ash. In fact, I've
never known them not to be.

Same here in South Hants.

And here in Surrey.
--
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(Taken, with the author's permission, from a LiveJournal post)

Which begs the question 'where did the saying come from?'. I'm sure there's a botanical reason.

On 13/04/15 12:30, Scott W wrote:
Which begs the question 'where did the saying come from?'. I'm sure there's a botanical reason.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/Tim-Se...ail/story.html

http://www.theweatherclub.org.uk/fea...re-oak-and-ash

DuckDuckGo is your friend.

I have to say that I've never heard of this proverb and a quick check
around suggests I don't know anyone who has either.

--
AS
http://minnies.opcop.org.uk/

On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 04:30:01 -0700 (PDT)
Scott W wrote:

Which begs the question 'where did the saying come from?'. I'm sure
there's a botanical reason.

You cheeky little beggar. ;-)

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:44:48 +0100
Asha Santon wrote:

On 13/04/15 12:30, Scott W wrote:
Which begs the question 'where did the saying come from?'. I'm sure
there's a botanical reason.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/Tim-Se...ail/story.html

http://www.theweatherclub.org.uk/fea...re-oak-and-ash

DuckDuckGo is your friend.

I have to say that I've never heard of this proverb and a quick check
around suggests I don't know anyone who has either.


It used to be a well-known saying but may have gone out of fashion,
perhaps like this one about the cuckoo:

Cuckoo, cuckoo, what do you do?
In April I open my bill;
In May I sing all day;
In June I change my tune;
In July away I fly;
In August away I must.

On Chris Packham's first appearance on Springwatch, someone quoted this
rhyme and asked what it meant. I was shocked that anyone could not know
the meaning but worse was to come. Packham, the so-called expert, said
that he'd never heard it before, which was bad enough, but didn't have
a clue what it meant. That was the beginning of the end for me as far as
that show went; Michaela Strachan was the last straw.

Must confess I'd not heard of Paul Simon's version:

April Come She Will
-------------------

April, come she will
When streams are ripe and swelled with rain
May, she will stay
Resting in my arms again

June, she’ll change her tune
In restless walks, she’ll prowl the night
July, she will fly
And give no warning of her flight

August, die she must
The autumn winds blow chilly and cold
September, I’ll remember
A love once new has now grown old

© 1965 Words and Music by Paul Simon


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/

On 13/04/2015 12:44, Asha Santon wrote:
On 13/04/15 12:30, Scott W wrote:
Which begs the question 'where did the saying come from?'. I'm sure there's a botanical reason.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/Tim-Se...ail/story.html

http://www.theweatherclub.org.uk/fea...re-oak-and-ash

DuckDuckGo is your friend.

I have to say that I've never heard of this proverb and a quick check
around suggests I don't know anyone who has either.

Temperature vs daylength triggers on breaking dormancy.

I have heard the saying before - perhaps it is a northern thing?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 13/04/15 14:27, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:44:48 +0100
Asha Santon wrote:

On 13/04/15 12:30, Scott W wrote:
Which begs the question 'where did the saying come from?'. I'm sure
there's a botanical reason.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/Tim-Se...ail/story.html

http://www.theweatherclub.org.uk/fea...re-oak-and-ash

DuckDuckGo is your friend.

I have to say that I've never heard of this proverb and a quick check
around suggests I don't know anyone who has either.


It used to be a well-known saying but may have gone out of fashion,
perhaps like this one about the cuckoo:

Cuckoo, cuckoo, what do you do?
In April I open my bill;
In May I sing all day;
In June I change my tune;
In July away I fly;
In August away I must.


Must confess I'd not heard of Paul Simon's version:

April Come She Will
-------------------



Again I've never heard the proverb about the cuckoo but have heard the
Paul Simon song many times as it's just a teensy bit famous. The song is
of course about a girl rather than a tweety but was no doubt inspired by
the seasons. I seem to recall it was said to be about the Swallow rather
than the Cuckoo ... can't recall where I heard that ... my mums probably.

The only references to cuckoos I know is:
Sumer is icumen in, loudly sing cucu ...
It's even more famous and features in the finale of my mum's favourite film.

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AS
http://minnies.opcop.org.uk/