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Ben Lawers and Schiehallion and any other above what looks like around 3000
feet have had there first snow of the winter and look jolly nice.

Only 6.8 C here at 300 feet as I type at 14:30

and to think we had 19.2 C on Wednesday!

Roll on Winter (and Alex in Wishaw's thoery)

brian
aberfeldy
www.aberfeldyweather.com

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Nice to hear of the snow reaching the Perthshire peaks Brian.

http://www.cairngormmountain.com/webcams.htm
Snowing well at 3,500ft I see.
Cold and snowy winters follow warm summers in Scotland, well, that's the
theory.
Fingers crossed.
Alex.

"Brian Blair" wrote in message
...
Ben Lawers and Schiehallion and any other above what looks like around
3000
feet have had there first snow of the winter and look jolly nice.

Only 6.8 C here at 300 feet as I type at 14:30

and to think we had 19.2 C on Wednesday!

Roll on Winter (and Alex in Wishaw's thoery)

brian
aberfeldy
www.aberfeldyweather.com

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"Alex Stephens Jnr" schreef in
bericht ...
Cold and snowy winters follow warm summers in Scotland, well, that's the
theory.

Does that cold necessarily comes from the continent, Alex? In that case
there also are some chances for us.
Oh, well, you can keep the snow; the cold will be enough for me :-)).


Wijke
The Netherlands

First snowfall for Perthshire
 

In article ,
Wijke writes:

"Alex Stephens Jnr" schreef in
bericht ...
Cold and snowy winters follow warm summers in Scotland, well, that's the
theory.

Does that cold necessarily comes from the continent, Alex?

I think that the coldest and snowiest winters in Scotland generally come
on northerlies, unlike in most of England, where they come on
easterlies. Two reasons: Scotland is closer to the Arctic, and the North
Sea is wider up there so easterlies have more chance to get warmed by
the sea. So I think that the answer to your question would be "no".

In that case
there also are some chances for us.
Oh, well, you can keep the snow; the cold will be enough for me :-)).

:)

I don't think that many usw readers would agree with that.
--
John Hall

"The covers of this book are too far apart."
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

First snowfall for Perthshire
 

"John Hall" wrote in message
In that case
there also are some chances for us.
Oh, well, you can keep the snow; the cold will be enough for me :-)).

:)

I don't think that many usw readers would agree with that.
--
John Hall

one of the joys of South Cumbria is that snow is a morning event, rarely
lasting past dinner time :-)

Jim Webster

"The covers of this book are too far apart."
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

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Snow in the first week or so of October has occured in southern England even
on low ground. One of the greatest changes in our weather down south is the
lack of October snow such as on the 7th October 1829 when several inches
fell in the Southeast or the 1st Ocober 1740. Snow in October occurs in
northerly airstreams and for it to reach southern England the air mass has
to be very cold. Sea temperatures to the north are much warmer in autumn now
than in past centuries. For instance in 1888 ice disrupted the Faeroes
fishing fleet from entering the Thorshavn harbour even in July so no wonder
snow lay on the streets of London on the 11th October in 1887.
Ian Currie-Coulsdon
www.Frostedearth.com





"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"John Hall" wrote in message
In that case
there also are some chances for us.
Oh, well, you can keep the snow; the cold will be enough for me :-)).

:)

I don't think that many usw readers would agree with that.
--
John Hall

one of the joys of South Cumbria is that snow is a morning event, rarely
lasting past dinner time :-)

Jim Webster

"The covers of this book are too far apart."
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

First snowfall for Perthshire
 

Ah Schiehallion. Theres a name to bring back memories. I once lost a camera
up there when I was 13, on the final day of a holiday...

Rob
Hull

Brian Blair wrote in message
...
Ben Lawers and Schiehallion and any other above what looks like around
3000
feet have had there first snow of the winter and look jolly nice.

Only 6.8 C here at 300 feet as I type at 14:30

and to think we had 19.2 C on Wednesday!

Roll on Winter (and Alex in Wishaw's thoery)

brian
aberfeldy
www.aberfeldyweather.com

First snowfall for Perthshire
 

"Ian Currie" wrote in message
...
Snow in the first week or so of October has occured in southern
England even
on low ground. snip
For instance in 1888 ice disrupted the Faeroes
fishing fleet from entering the Thorshavn harbour even in July so no
wonder
snow lay on the streets of London on the 11th October in 1887.


.... The October of 1887 was one of the 10 coldest in the CET record -
indeed there appears to be a clustering of cold Octobers in the latter
part of the 19th and very early 20th century (1880, 1887, 1892, 1895,
1896, 1905):

.... as for the summer of 1888, the mean CET value of 13.7degC places it
in the 'top-10' of cold summers by that measure.
(all figures based on the Hadley/MetO datasets)

Martin.

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"John Hall" schreef in bericht
...
I think that the coldest and snowiest winters in Scotland generally come
on northerlies, unlike in most of England, where they come on
easterlies. Two reasons: Scotland is closer to the Arctic, and the North
Sea is wider up there so easterlies have more chance to get warmed by
the sea. So I think that the answer to your question would be "no".


snip Thanks for explaining, John.

A northerly (or even northwesterly flow) artic flow during winter over
Holland mainly also brings snow!
But not cold, at least not as much as an easterly. The 1979-winter
is a good example. Winter of Greenland-highs. Lots of northerlies combined
with lots of snow. However this winter was spectacular, not the most
desirable winter for ice-skaters!! Of course snow brings down the
air-temperature at night by radiation under a clear sky. But when ice
already has formed, snow also prevents the icelayer from growing, as it
insulates. So when snow has to fall I'd rather prefer it falling before ice
is formed :-).

If Alex' theory is right; (a warm and dry summer will be followed by a
cold and snowy winter in Scotland) and we also will have that northerly
flows; it looks like another "Greenland-highs-winter" again. -- Not the
most lovely one for me then! So lets wait and see who's gonna be happy the
next few months!


Wijke
The Netherlands

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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:56:21 +0100, "Rob Overfield"
wrote:

Ah Schiehallion. Theres a name to bring back memories. I once lost a camera
up there when I was 13, on the final day of a holiday...

It was from observations of Schiehallion that Maskelyne measured the
mass of the earth .....erm don't ask me how!


--
Paul

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"Paul C" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:56:21 +0100, "Rob Overfield"
wrote:

Ah Schiehallion. Theres a name to bring back memories. I once lost a camera
up there when I was 13, on the final day of a holiday...

It was from observations of Schiehallion that Maskelyne measured the
mass of the earth .....erm don't ask me how!

Hey, I remember my Grandpa telling me about this!

It was something to do with the fact that Schiehallion is a very symetrical
mountain and consistent gravity measurements could be made around it.

OK, I'm intrigued now and just Googled it:

http://www.jmt.org/cons/sch/sch_ref_maskel.html

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk

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Didn't snow fall in East Anglia in early October 1974, the earliest in
the last fifty years?

wasn't this the same 'winter' that produced the legendary June 02
snowfall over similar areas in Suffolk and Essex!

First snowfall for Perthshire
 

In article ,
Screenfly writes:
Didn't snow fall in East Anglia in early October 1974, the earliest in
the last fifty years?

I remember that October, 1974 was exceptionally cold. It was then
followed by a very mild winter.

wasn't this the same 'winter' that produced the legendary June 02
snowfall over similar areas in Suffolk and Essex!

Yes. I'm not sure that any actually lay in that area, but there were a
couple of inches on the ground in Buxton in Derbyshire. But within a
week or so the weather had turned very warm, and it was a very good
summer.
--
John Hall

"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong."
Oscar Wilde

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When I referred to snow in October I was citing examples of snow actually
lying. In October 1974 snow did not lie in southern England and it really
was in the form of sleety showers reported from places such as Brentwood and
Stanstead on the 7th. However October1974 was indeed a cold month and in
some places the mean was lower than the following December.

Ian Currie-Coulsdon
www.Frostedearth.com



"Screenfly" wrote in message
m...
Didn't snow fall in East Anglia in early October 1974, the earliest in
the last fifty years?

wasn't this the same 'winter' that produced the legendary June 02
snowfall over similar areas in Suffolk and Essex!