On Thursday, 6 August 2015 21:24:30 UTC+1, Stephen Davenport wrote:
On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 3:38:20 PM UTC-4, Alastair wrote:

"Uncle Jim taught me that if everyone thinks your idea is nuts, it just might be a stroke of genius." Richard Branson, Founder at Virgin Group

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And it might just be nuts.

I hate the Galileo Gambit.

Stephen.

I am not arguing that, like Galileo, because nobody believes me that I must be right. I am saying that because everyone thinks I'm nuts I must be a genius. But I was just joking :-) It does not take a genius to post a surprising quote from a physics text book.

Cheer, Alastair.

Utter rubbish. Wilful and silly misinterpretation just compounds what you are proposing. It's clearly all you can do to justify this ignorance.

Second law of thermodynamics. Heat travels from warmer objects to cooler.

Re-write it, or abandon this stupidity.

On Friday, 7 August 2015 11:25:06 UTC+1, Asha Santon wrote:
On 06/08/15 15:52, Alastair wrote:

Hot objects radiate heat which warms adjacent objects. Cold objects
radiate cold which cools adjects objects. The latter is difficult to
demonstrate because it is more difficult to maintain a constant cold
temperature than a high temperture. The latter is easy using
electrical heating. However, holding a thermnometer over an object
taken from a freezer will cause the temperature shown to drop.

I thought I would read up on this subject and have a wee think before
making a fool of myself here. I have completed steps one and two so here
we go with the last part:

The Earth is warm enough because of heat radiating from the hot Sun.
Pretty Pluto is very cold because it is so far from the Sun.

Charon is cold because:

a) it is just as far from the Sun as Pluto, or
b) the cold radiating from Pluto makes Charon cold.

Similarly, space is cold because:

a) there are invisible cold bodies cooling it down, or
b) it is empty so there is nothing there to warm it up.

This leads me to the conclusion that the default sate of existence is
cold unless someone/something turns the heat on.

Items in a freezer are colder because the equipment sucks any heat out
of them which is why you could fry an egg on the back of the fridge
(give or take).

You may laugh now. Thank you and goodnight

--
A S #WE
http://minnies.opcop.org.uk
http://nature.opcop.org.uk
http://pictures.opcop.org.uk

If you can fry an egg on the back of your freezer I would return the item or call out an engineer yes it get very warm but to fry an egg is literally over cooking the hyperbole.

On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 3:28:19 AM UTC-4, wrote:
"Stephen Davenport" wrote in message
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On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 5:46:59 PM UTC-4, Alastair wrote:

I have long discovered that you cannot change a man's beliefs with logical
argument...

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Yes. That's the struggle we are all having! See logical arguments above.


I don't see any arguments "above", just a quote from Alastair? Do you mean
earlier in the thread rather than "above"?

Will
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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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Yes, sorry. I forget that others don't use Google Groups while I do.

Stephen.

"Graham P Davis" wrote in message
news:20150807102152.014c53ce@home-1...
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 07:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

Dawlish,

On Page 576 of University Physics with Modern Physics, Technology
Update, Thirteenth Edition (2010), which continues to set the
benchmark for clarity and rigor combined with effective teaching and
research-based innovation, they write:

"Radiation. Heat transfer by radiation is important in some
surprising places. A premature baby in an incubator can be cooled
dangerously by radiation if the walls of the incubator happened to be
cold, even when the air in the incubator is warm. Some incubators
regulate the temperature measuring the baby's skin ..."

Hot objects radiate heat which warms adjacent objects. Cold objects
radiate cold which cools adjects objects. The latter is difficult to
demonstrate because it is more difficult to maintain a constant cold
temperature than a high temperture. The latter is easy using
electrical heating. However, holding a thermnometer over an object
taken from a freezer will cause the temperature shown to drop.

I hope you will now realise that you are wrong, will apologise and
admit your mistake. Cold radiation does exist.


Yes, cold radiation exists, in the same way that the centrifugal force
doesn't.

Well, I hope centrifugal force does exist, otherwise we will fly into the
Sun, and then there would be no cold radiation here on Earth :-(

Cheers, Alastair.

On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 3:56:38 PM UTC+1, Alastair wrote:
"Graham P Davis" wrote in message
news:20150807102152.014c53ce@home-1...
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 07:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

Dawlish,

On Page 576 of University Physics with Modern Physics, Technology
Update, Thirteenth Edition (2010), which continues to set the
benchmark for clarity and rigor combined with effective teaching and
research-based innovation, they write:

"Radiation. Heat transfer by radiation is important in some
surprising places. A premature baby in an incubator can be cooled
dangerously by radiation if the walls of the incubator happened to be
cold, even when the air in the incubator is warm. Some incubators
regulate the temperature measuring the baby's skin ..."

Hot objects radiate heat which warms adjacent objects. Cold objects
radiate cold which cools adjects objects. The latter is difficult to
demonstrate because it is more difficult to maintain a constant cold
temperature than a high temperture. The latter is easy using
electrical heating. However, holding a thermnometer over an object
taken from a freezer will cause the temperature shown to drop.

I hope you will now realise that you are wrong, will apologise and
admit your mistake. Cold radiation does exist.


Yes, cold radiation exists, in the same way that the centrifugal force
doesn't.

Well, I hope centrifugal force does exist, otherwise we will fly into the
Sun, and then there would be no cold radiation here on Earth :-(

Cheers, Alastair.

You simply didn't appreciate the irony in Graham's post, did you?

On Friday, 7 August 2015 16:37:55 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:


You simply didn't appreciate the irony in Graham's post, did you?

Oh! So you mean the centrifugal force does exist? What a relief. If we had collapsed into the Sun that would have been curtains for us all. I believe it is even hotter than the back of Asha's freezer!

Cheers, Alastair.

On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 5:26:38 PM UTC+1, Alastair wrote:
On Friday, 7 August 2015 16:37:55 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:


You simply didn't appreciate the irony in Graham's post, did you?

Oh! So you mean the centrifugal force does exist? What a relief. If we had collapsed into the Sun that would have been curtains for us all. I believe it is even hotter than the back of Asha's freezer!

Cheers, Alastair.

Again, no-one can help you, if you can't even understand the irony to which you have exposed yourself. *))

"Graham P Davis" wrote in message
news:20150807102152.014c53ce@home-1...
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 07:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

Dawlish,

On Page 576 of University Physics with Modern Physics, Technology
Update, Thirteenth Edition (2010), which continues to set the
benchmark for clarity and rigor combined with effective teaching and
research-based innovation, they write:

"Radiation. Heat transfer by radiation is important in some
surprising places. A premature baby in an incubator can be cooled
dangerously by radiation if the walls of the incubator happened to be
cold, even when the air in the incubator is warm. Some incubators
regulate the temperature measuring the baby's skin ..."

Hot objects radiate heat which warms adjacent objects. Cold objects
radiate cold which cools adjects objects. The latter is difficult to
demonstrate because it is more difficult to maintain a constant cold
temperature than a high temperture. The latter is easy using
electrical heating. However, holding a thermnometer over an object
taken from a freezer will cause the temperature shown to drop.

I hope you will now realise that you are wrong, will apologise and
admit your mistake. Cold radiation does exist.


Yes, cold radiation exists, in the same way that the centrifugal force
doesn't.


Centrifugal force doesn't exist.
It's actually called centripetal acceleration.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

"Graham P Davis" wrote in message
news:20150807102152.014c53ce@home-1...
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 07:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
Alastair wrote:

Dawlish,

On Page 576 of University Physics with Modern Physics, Technology
Update, Thirteenth Edition (2010), which continues to set the
benchmark for clarity and rigor combined with effective teaching and
research-based innovation, they write:

"Radiation. Heat transfer by radiation is important in some
surprising places. A premature baby in an incubator can be cooled
dangerously by radiation if the walls of the incubator happened to be
cold, even when the air in the incubator is warm. Some incubators
regulate the temperature measuring the baby's skin ..."

Hot objects radiate heat which warms adjacent objects. Cold objects
radiate cold which cools adjects objects. The latter is difficult to
demonstrate because it is more difficult to maintain a constant cold
temperature than a high temperture. The latter is easy using
electrical heating. However, holding a thermnometer over an object
taken from a freezer will cause the temperature shown to drop.

I hope you will now realise that you are wrong, will apologise and
admit your mistake. Cold radiation does exist.


Yes, cold radiation exists, in the same way that the centrifugal force
doesn't.


Centrifugal force doesn't exist.
It's actually called centripetal acceleration.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg