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I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10
upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On Saturday, 15 August 2015 14:46:25 UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx Hi Keith. No it doesn't do a clean wipe. I've 2 laptops, a Windows 7 and 8.1, and I used the Windows 7 for the upgrade to Windows 10. So far no issues other than familiarity. Old apps still there; bookmarks, etc. I'll wait a while before upgrading the newer laptop - let the kinks of Windows 10, whatever they are, be ironed out first.... Joe |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
wrote in message ... On Saturday, 15 August 2015 14:46:25 UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote: I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx Hi Keith. No it doesn't do a clean wipe. I've 2 laptops, a Windows 7 and 8.1, and I used the Windows 7 for the upgrade to Windows 10. So far no issues other than familiarity. Old apps still there; bookmarks, etc. I'll wait a while before upgrading the newer laptop - let the kinks of Windows 10, whatever they are, be ironed out first.... Joe ================= Windows 10 installed fine for me, upgrade from 8.1 . Go for it, it looks a nice OS. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On 15/08/2015 15:12, Eskimo Will wrote:
wrote in message ... On Saturday, 15 August 2015 14:46:25 UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote: I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx Hi Keith. No it doesn't do a clean wipe. I've 2 laptops, a Windows 7 and 8.1, and I used the Windows 7 for the upgrade to Windows 10. So far no issues other than familiarity. Old apps still there; bookmarks, etc. I'll wait a while before upgrading the newer laptop - let the kinks of Windows 10, whatever they are, be ironed out first.... Joe ================= Windows 10 installed fine for me, upgrade from 8.1 . Go for it, it looks a nice OS. Will Thanks for the heads up... -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx |
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 15:49:45 +0100
"Keith (Southend)" wrote: On 15/08/2015 15:12, Eskimo Will wrote: wrote in message ... On Saturday, 15 August 2015 14:46:25 UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote: I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx Hi Keith. No it doesn't do a clean wipe. I've 2 laptops, a Windows 7 and 8.1, and I used the Windows 7 for the upgrade to Windows 10. So far no issues other than familiarity. Old apps still there; bookmarks, etc. I'll wait a while before upgrading the newer laptop - let the kinks of Windows 10, whatever they are, be ironed out first.... Joe ================= Windows 10 installed fine for me, upgrade from 8.1 . Go for it, it looks a nice OS. Will Thanks for the heads up... Back up first though, of course. Then keep your fingers crossed. Been some reports of upgrade going tits up: http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/08/0...-pcs-unusable/ Also this little problem was reported a few days ago: http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...ss-reboot-loop -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer] http://www.scarlet-jade.com/ I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/ |
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On 15/08/2015 16:09, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 15:49:45 +0100 "Keith (Southend)" wrote: On 15/08/2015 15:12, Eskimo Will wrote: wrote in message ... On Saturday, 15 August 2015 14:46:25 UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote: I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx Hi Keith. No it doesn't do a clean wipe. I've 2 laptops, a Windows 7 and 8.1, and I used the Windows 7 for the upgrade to Windows 10. So far no issues other than familiarity. Old apps still there; bookmarks, etc. I'll wait a while before upgrading the newer laptop - let the kinks of Windows 10, whatever they are, be ironed out first.... Joe ================= Windows 10 installed fine for me, upgrade from 8.1 . Go for it, it looks a nice OS. Will Thanks for the heads up... Back up first though, of course. Then keep your fingers crossed. Been some reports of upgrade going tits up: http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/08/0...-pcs-unusable/ Also this little problem was reported a few days ago: http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...ss-reboot-loop Mm, best back up then choose a day when I have all the time in the world and a bottle of JD ;-) -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message ... On 15/08/2015 16:09, Graham P Davis wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 15:49:45 +0100 "Keith (Southend)" wrote: On 15/08/2015 15:12, Eskimo Will wrote: wrote in message ... On Saturday, 15 August 2015 14:46:25 UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote: I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx Hi Keith. No it doesn't do a clean wipe. I've 2 laptops, a Windows 7 and 8.1, and I used the Windows 7 for the upgrade to Windows 10. So far no issues other than familiarity. Old apps still there; bookmarks, etc. I'll wait a while before upgrading the newer laptop - let the kinks of Windows 10, whatever they are, be ironed out first.... Joe ================= Windows 10 installed fine for me, upgrade from 8.1 . Go for it, it looks a nice OS. Will Thanks for the heads up... Back up first though, of course. Then keep your fingers crossed. Been some reports of upgrade going tits up: http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/08/0...-pcs-unusable/ Also this little problem was reported a few days ago: http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...ss-reboot-loop Mm, best back up then choose a day when I have all the time in the world and a bottle of JD ;-) My only problem after the install (and restart) was that Outlook mail would not send. The solution is to open up Command prompt (admin) and then issue " sfc /scannow " command. That does a system file scan and repairs and puts files back in the right place. Worked fine after that. This is common to other systems too where a file system check is a good thing to do anyway. Good luck, but I think you'll be fine! Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On 15/08/2015 14:46, Keith (Southend) wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks The thing to remember is to ensure that your PC is up to date with all its patches and that it doesn't have any issues. Many problems have been caused because the user hoped that upgrading will fix them. Will's advice about sfc/scannow - do it first. There is a possibility that the upgrade will fail. However, there is an alternative - see http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install if needed. And backup first! |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On 15/08/2015 14:46, Keith (Southend) wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? I upgraded my main PC (Windows 8.1) and my creaky old laptop (Windows 7) to Windows 10. Both went absolutely fine with no problems except the graphics driver was out of date (which caused a slight issue but was soon fixed). So I suggest making sure your main drivers are up to date before you go ahead with the update. And my old laptop (IBM Lenovo T90 with 2GB RAM) now runs quicker than it did under Windows 7, especially after I disabled/deleted all those 'live' tiles in the Start menu. The hard drive was badly fragmented afterwards so once all was well I deleted the old version of Windows and then did several defrags. That speeded things up a bit on the laptop. All my personal settings, themes, email, Firefox etc etc were all kept though I must admit that I now prefer Microsoft Edge than Firefox on my laptop as it seems to use far less resources and is quicker and more reliable. -- Nick Gardner Otter Valley, Devon 20 m amsl http://www.ottervalley.co.uk |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 16:52:05 +0100, "Keith (Southend)"
wrote: Mm, best back up then choose a day when I have all the time in the world and a bottle of JD ;-) I found, that despite my best efforts, Windows 10 downloaded and installed itself and I couldn't stop it without it constantly reminding me to do it! However, if you don't want to keep it there's an option to return to your previous OS within thirty days. There were few problems with already installed software. If you don't want to download it, this is a good link:- http://www.ghacks.net/2015/04/17/how...ndows-7-and-8/ -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
"Metman2012" wrote in message ... On 15/08/2015 14:46, Keith (Southend) wrote: I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks The thing to remember is to ensure that your PC is up to date with all its patches and that it doesn't have any issues. Many problems have been caused because the user hoped that upgrading will fix them. Will's advice about sfc/scannow - do it first. There is a possibility that the upgrade will fail. However, there is an alternative - see http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install if needed. And backup first! Yep good advice, I forgot I installed several hours worth of updates for 8.1 before upgrading. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- |
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On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 7:35:38 PM UTC+1, Alan White wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 16:52:05 +0100, "Keith (Southend)" wrote: Mm, best back up then choose a day when I have all the time in the world and a bottle of JD ;-) I found, that despite my best efforts, Windows 10 downloaded and installed itself and I couldn't stop it without it constantly reminding me to do it! However, if you don't want to keep it there's an option to return to your previous OS within thirty days. There were few problems with already installed software. If you don't want to download it, this is a good link:- http://www.ghacks.net/2015/04/17/how...ndows-7-and-8/ -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather This might also be interesting (or confusing even) http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/p...ur-reservation My own general view is if you're happy with your current OS stick with it, why take a chance. Upgrading (as opposed to a clean install) always carries some risk in my experience. However, at least the revert option is there if things go wrong, so the easy option might be to go with the flow & revert if the flow gets rocky! Graham Penzance |
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In message ,
Graham Easterling writes On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 7:35:38 PM UTC+1, Alan White wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 16:52:05 +0100, "Keith (Southend)" wrote: Mm, best back up then choose a day when I have all the time in the world and a bottle of JD ;-) I found, that despite my best efforts, Windows 10 downloaded and installed itself and I couldn't stop it without it constantly reminding me to do it! However, if you don't want to keep it there's an option to return to your previous OS within thirty days. There were few problems with already installed software. If you don't want to download it, this is a good link:- http://www.ghacks.net/2015/04/17/how...-upgrade-updat es-in-windows-7-and-8/ -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather This might also be interesting (or confusing even) http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/p...ade-installing after-making-your-reservation My own general view is if you're happy with your current OS stick with it, why take a chance. Upgrading (as opposed to a clean install) always carries some risk in my experience. However, at least the revert option is there if things go wrong, so the easy option might be to go with the flow & revert if the flow gets rocky! Updating to Windows 10 is supposed to remain free at least until 29th July next year, so there's no rush. Hopefully most of the bugs will have been removed by then (there are bound to be some). Microsoft have said that 10 will be the last version of Windows; after this there will just be updates. Windows 7 is supposed to carry on receiving bug fixes until 2020, including the important security-related ones, but there's no guarantee that updating to 10 will still be free by then. There's been concern expressed that Windows 10 sends an awful lot of info back to Microsoft about what the user is doing, perhaps to allow adverts to be targeted more precisely (apparently even Solitaire comes with adverts in Windows 10). Some of this info-sending can be switched off, apparently, but some can't. -- John Hall "Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend, an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones |
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Do be aware that the default program for opening specific file types may get
reset to the various Microsoft-supplied options. eg HTML pages started opening in MS Edge by default now rather than Chrome, at least on my Win10 upgraded PC. Not a big deal, but a bit irritating to have to reset everything manually to my own preferences. |
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On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 9:11:09 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
In message , Updating to Windows 10 is supposed to remain free at least until 29th July next year, so there's no rush. Hopefully most of the bugs will have been removed by then (there are bound to be some). Microsoft have said that 10 will be the last version of Windows; after this there will just be updates. -- John Hall Yes, I initially thought it strange for Microsoft to commit themselves to a final version of Windows. I suppose it's all part of a now clear policy to try to get everyone onto one version, so they don't have to provide updates to multiple versions, currently 7, 8, 8.1, Vista & XP. The fact is that after a few years of updates the cumulative difference is likely to be as great as between some previous versions, but at least there will only be 1 'version' to update. Graham Penzance |
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In message , John Hall
writes There's been concern expressed that Windows 10 sends an awful lot of info back to Microsoft about what the user is doing, perhaps to allow adverts to be targeted more precisely (apparently even Solitaire comes with adverts in Windows 10). Some of this info-sending can be switched off, apparently, but some can't. For more on this see: http://www.windowscentral.com/all-yo...acy-windows-10 (You'll see references to Edge. Edge is the new browser that comes with Windows 10. Of course if you prefer Chrome or Firefox or whatever, you can carry on using them.) -- John Hall "Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend, an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones |
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:15:50 -0700 (PDT), Graham Easterling
wrote: My own general view is if you're happy with your current OS stick with it, why take a chance. Upgrading (as opposed to a clean install) always carries some risk in my experience. However, at least the revert option is there if things go wrong, so the easy option might be to go with the flow & revert if the flow gets rocky! I did revert. There were so many bells and whistles that I would never use and the absence of Windows Media Player, which I use quite a lot, just didn't make it worth 'upgrading'. This, coupled with the fact that I was all set to replace motherboard, memory, CPU and graphics card, clinched it. One step at a time. -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather |
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:56:51 +0100
John Hall wrote: There's been concern expressed that Windows 10 sends an awful lot of info back to Microsoft about what the user is doing, perhaps to allow adverts to be targeted more precisely (apparently even Solitaire comes with adverts in Windows 10). Some of this info-sending can be switched off, apparently, but some can't. Seeing as how I only use MS very occasionally, that won't worry me much. I wonder how accurate their targeting will be? If it's like Amazon, the answer will be "not very". According to the targeted mail I get from them, they must think I'm a 12-year-old girl who, amongst other things, owns, drives and maintains a Peugot 205; is a body-builder, and is interested in male facial grooming products. -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer] http://www.scarlet-jade.com/ I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/ |
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On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 2:46:25 PM UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx Buy a mac. No worries with microsoft any more. *)) And the computer boots up immediately. |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
"Graham P Davis" wrote in message news:20150815223824.6ed96810@home-1... On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:56:51 +0100 John Hall wrote: There's been concern expressed that Windows 10 sends an awful lot of info back to Microsoft about what the user is doing, perhaps to allow adverts to be targeted more precisely (apparently even Solitaire comes with adverts in Windows 10). Some of this info-sending can be switched off, apparently, but some can't. Seeing as how I only use MS very occasionally, that won't worry me much. I wonder how accurate their targeting will be? If it's like Amazon, the answer will be "not very". According to the targeted mail I get from them, they must think I'm a 12-year-old girl who, amongst other things, owns, drives and maintains a Peugot 205; is a body-builder, and is interested in male facial grooming products. Well knowing what you look like Graham, I would say that some of the latter would not go amiss! :-) Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- |
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On 15/08/2015 23:01, Eskimo Will wrote:
"Graham P Davis" wrote in message news:20150815223824.6ed96810@home-1... On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:56:51 +0100 John Hall wrote: There's been concern expressed that Windows 10 sends an awful lot of info back to Microsoft about what the user is doing, perhaps to allow adverts to be targeted more precisely (apparently even Solitaire comes with adverts in Windows 10). Some of this info-sending can be switched off, apparently, but some can't. Seeing as how I only use MS very occasionally, that won't worry me much. I wonder how accurate their targeting will be? If it's like Amazon, the answer will be "not very". According to the targeted mail I get from them, they must think I'm a 12-year-old girl who, amongst other things, owns, drives and maintains a Peugot 205; is a body-builder, and is interested in male facial grooming products. Well knowing what you look like Graham, I would say that some of the latter would not go amiss! :-) Will I'm now worried if I update to Windows 10 I may turn into a cross dresser, I have a Peugeot 307 ;-) -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx |
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On 15/08/2015 18:00, Nick Gardner wrote:
On 15/08/2015 14:46, Keith (Southend) wrote: I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? I upgraded my main PC (Windows 8.1) and my creaky old laptop (Windows 7) to Windows 10. Both went absolutely fine with no problems except the graphics driver was out of date (which caused a slight issue but was soon fixed). So I suggest making sure your main drivers are up to date before you go ahead with the update. And my old laptop (IBM Lenovo T90 with 2GB RAM) now runs quicker than it did under Windows 7, especially after I disabled/deleted all those 'live' tiles in the Start menu. The hard drive was badly fragmented afterwards so once all was well I deleted the old version of Windows and then did several defrags. That speeded things up a bit on the laptop. All my personal settings, themes, email, Firefox etc etc were all kept though I must admit that I now prefer Microsoft Edge than Firefox on my laptop as it seems to use far less resources and is quicker and more reliable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edge does have some nice features like the ability to cut and paste from parts of web pages, highlight text on web pages etc. Dave |
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On 15/08/2015 22:40, Dawlish wrote:
On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 2:46:25 PM UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote: I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx Buy a mac. No worries with microsoft any more. *)) And the computer boots up immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------- True to an extent but costs a fortune in comparison, difficult to buy cheap generic parts or upgrades and has some software limitations. Certainly not as good for someone like me who either likes to build PC's or upgrade/modify them myself. Like most things there are plus and negative points! A mini PC I have just bought boots Windows 10 in a few seconds and shuts down almost instantly. There is nothing much on it and has a small SSD which is probably why.If quick boot is what you want of course there is always Linux as well. Dave |
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On 15/08/2015 14:46, Keith (Southend) wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Always a bit of a risk Keith, depending. For example I have recently purchased A Justop Min-PC to run my weather station and website 24/7. It runs off 12v supply and only uses 6W. It has a small (32gig) SSD drive, no moving parts and is totally silent. It cost £89 new and had Windows 8.1 installed. This had the free upgrade to WIndows 10 which went absolutely smoothly.And I like it. But it was a new and uncluttered machine. My main Desktop is 4 -5 years old, has a nearly full main drive, a Windows 7 OS which is now exhibiting some gliches although it still runs extremely reliably. It's had lots of system and registry changes and I am worried it won't go as smoothly and I'm going to hang on for a bit! Dave |
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 23:16:01 +0100
"Keith (Southend)" wrote: On 15/08/2015 23:01, Eskimo Will wrote: "Graham P Davis" wrote in message news:20150815223824.6ed96810@home-1... On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:56:51 +0100 John Hall wrote: There's been concern expressed that Windows 10 sends an awful lot of info back to Microsoft about what the user is doing, perhaps to allow adverts to be targeted more precisely (apparently even Solitaire comes with adverts in Windows 10). Some of this info-sending can be switched off, apparently, but some can't. Seeing as how I only use MS very occasionally, that won't worry me much. I wonder how accurate their targeting will be? If it's like Amazon, the answer will be "not very". According to the targeted mail I get from them, they must think I'm a 12-year-old girl who, amongst other things, owns, drives and maintains a Peugot 205; is a body-builder, and is interested in male facial grooming products. Well knowing what you look like Graham, I would say that some of the latter would not go amiss! :-) Will I'm now worried if I update to Windows 10 I may turn into a cross dresser, I have a Peugeot 307 ;-) Ha! Should I be worried that I might turn into a Peugeot-owner? ;-) The only thing on the list that makes any sense is the last, as I once bought a beard-trimmer via Amazon. As to the rest, I've no idea. For instance, I haven't owned or driven any car for twenty years and have never owned any marque of Peugeot. Amazon still keep e-mailing me every couple of weeks to advertise that they have Peugeot 205 workshop manuals available, though. -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer] http://www.scarlet-jade.com/ I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/ |
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 22:34:04 +0100
Alan White wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:15:50 -0700 (PDT), Graham Easterling wrote: My own general view is if you're happy with your current OS stick with it, why take a chance. Upgrading (as opposed to a clean install) always carries some risk in my experience. However, at least the revert option is there if things go wrong, so the easy option might be to go with the flow & revert if the flow gets rocky! I did revert. There were so many bells and whistles that I would never use and the absence of Windows Media Player, which I use quite a lot, just didn't make it worth 'upgrading'. This, coupled with the fact that I was all set to replace motherboard, memory, CPU and graphics card, clinched it. One step at a time. If you're replacing that much, won't MS not recognise your machine and insist you buy a new product? ;-) -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer] http://www.scarlet-jade.com/ I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/ |
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On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 06:40:19 +0100, Graham P Davis
wrote: If you're replacing that much, won't MS not recognise your machine and insist you buy a new product? ;-) I've installed this OEM disc of Windows 7 Home Premium on two laptops and two incarnations of this PC. Each time, the on-line registration has worked with no difficulties. However, this time the on-line registration was rejected, as you suggested it might, and I tried the telephone option. This was quite fraught. The 'voice' at the other end required me type in a fifty-four digit number in nine blocks of six using the telephone keypad. This number was generated by my PC. It then fed me another fifty-four digit number, again in nine blocks of six, which I typed in to the PC using the keyboard. It worked but only after some false alarms caused by either my mis-typing or not understanding the 'voice'. The reason for the rebuild was that two of the SATA ports on the motherboard failed and in so doing corrupted Agent. As I run Agent from DropBox this meant that the cloud version was also corrupted. Fortunately, DropBox has excellent backup facilities and I was able to download an earlier, uncorrupted version of Agent once I'd sorted out a another SATA port which was working. With a suspect, six year old motherboard with two non-working ports, it had to go but a new motherboard wouldn't accept the old CPU and memory so they had to be replaced as well. The new graphics card is shorter than the old one which makes life easier when poking about inside the case. I also installed a new SSD drive which I cloned from the old SSD drive using Acronis True Image. I clone to the old drive once a week so that I'm never more than a week old if something goes wrong. A daily application of Advanced System Care and SpyHunter seems to clean up the system very nicely and it runs like a dream. Sorry about the length of this post but I thought it might be useful to others. -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On Saturday, 15 August 2015 14:46:25 UTC+1, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx Keith I have to know what is a 'weather diddie'? As far as Windows 10 is concerned my advice would be to backup and install as others have said. The latest version is what Windows 8 should have been. My Vantage pro works even being plugged into a serial port/USB convertor. Delphi development works for XE6 but not Delphi 2006 so now all my mapping is from Openstreet map. The old Media player was left behind so I still have music but I'm reworking my old Jukebox app to get round the long-term hole that will leave. I may have to write my own photo web album application for my images if Google abandon Picasa. I did read an article somewhere online that said Microsoft were planning to charge by the month or year for the use of the Windows operating system like they do for Office 365, if you unsubscribe I imagine the OS would keep working but you wouldn't get updates or security patches. What I dont like about the way things are going in computing is that you are being forced to use the cloud when local storage has never been so cheap. I don't mind being given a choice, but now its being forced so that they can turn storage of music and images and creation and editing of documents into a web service that they can monetise. Bruce. |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On 16/08/2015 09:53, xmetman wrote:
I have to know what is a 'weather diddie'? All my little synop downloading and decoding stand alone things, mindyou, the would be quite easy to put back on if they did get wiped :-) -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On 16/08/2015 00:11, Dave Cornwell wrote:
On 15/08/2015 14:46, Keith (Southend) wrote: I have Windows 7 and am told I am eligible for the free WIndows 10 upgrade. My question: WIll this be a clean install and wipe everything else off? Firefox/Thunderbird, Office, and all my little weather diddies? Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Always a bit of a risk Keith, depending. For example I have recently purchased A Justop Min-PC to run my weather station and website 24/7. It runs off 12v supply and only uses 6W. It has a small (32gig) SSD drive, no moving parts and is totally silent. It cost £89 new and had Windows 8.1 installed. This had the free upgrade to WIndows 10 which went absolutely smoothly.And I like it. But it was a new and uncluttered machine. My main Desktop is 4 -5 years old, has a nearly full main drive, a Windows 7 OS which is now exhibiting some gliches although it still runs extremely reliably. It's had lots of system and registry changes and I am worried it won't go as smoothly and I'm going to hang on for a bit! Dave Hi Dave, I just did a search for the Justop Min-PC. http://www.amazon.co.uk/JUSTOP-Windo.../dp/B00ZFQQIK0 I'm interested with this as like yourself I have this old PC running 24/7, which must use some electricity over time and the onlt reason is for updating from my WMII every 15 minutes. Can you also upload to WOW? Do you have to connect a monitor to it? It would seem ideal and also keep the weather stuff completely seperate and for £90. Do you use it for anything else? Regards -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On 16/08/2015 09:53, xmetman wrote:
I have to know what is a 'weather diddie'? As far as Windows 10 is concerned my advice would be to backup and install as others have said. The latest version is what Windows 8 should have been. My Vantage pro works even being plugged into a serial port/USB convertor. Delphi development works for XE6 but not Delphi 2006 so now all my mapping is from Openstreet map. The old Media player was left behind so I still have music but I'm reworking my old Jukebox app to get round the long-term hole that will leave. I may have to write my own photo web album application for my images if Google abandon Picasa. I did read an article somewhere online that said Microsoft were planning to charge by the month or year for the use of the Windows operating system like they do for Office 365, if you unsubscribe I imagine the OS would keep working but you wouldn't get updates or security patches. What I dont like about the way things are going in computing is that you are being forced to use the cloud when local storage has never been so cheap. I don't mind being given a choice, but now its being forced so that they can turn storage of music and images and creation and editing of documents into a web service that they can monetise. Bruce. Bruce, the monthly charge was invented by journalists with nothing better to do than invent stories - the horrider the better. Of course, it may be that MS will go down that path - if they do expect Apple to follow suit. You're not 'forced' to use the cloud, it's easy to use local storage. As for the data going back to MS, this can be changed. However, the targeted ads should be an improvement on having any old stuff sent down to you. Graham D - I believe you can 'train' Amazon to give you ads that are better than what you're getting. Whether MS's ads are better targeted remains to be seen - I hardly get any ads anyway.... |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
"Metman2012" wrote in message ... As for the data going back to MS, this can be changed. However, the targeted ads should be an improvement on having any old stuff sent down to you. Graham D - I believe you can 'train' Amazon to give you ads that are better than what you're getting. Whether MS's ads are better targeted remains to be seen - I hardly get any ads anyway.... I rarely get ads either. I suspect they really do think that our Graham needs some care and attention in his old age, like his car! :-) Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On 16/08/2015 11:37, Keith (Southend) wrote:
I'm interested with this as like yourself I have this old PC running 24/7, which must use some electricity over time and the onlt reason is for updating from my WMII every 15 minutes. Can you also upload to WOW? Do you have to connect a monitor to it? I used to have a dedicated home built PC to run all the time for my weather station, sunshine recorder, media server and website uploads etc. Even with an 'energy' efficient power supply unit and restricting the processor and services, it still used around 20 to 40 watts. I toyed with idea of a laptop but all the ones I tested used around 30 watts. Then I discovered a netbook called Asus Eee PC which had an Atom processor and was fanless. I bought a second-hand one off Ebay for £60 and I now use that for all the weather stuff, and as a media and VPN server. It works flawlessly with Windows 8.1 and can run for months (I suspect years) without me having to touch or reboot it. I can log in remotely from anywhere to access files or even use remote desktop from the internet. It uses around 5 to 10 watts. With only 1GB of RAM I have installed a 16 GB class 10 SDHC memory card and set it as ReadyBoost memory. That works a treat and speeded everything up immensely. I have had it running now for nearly 3 years and it has never crashed, faulted in anyway. It has worked better than I had imagined and only uses the tiniest amount of electricity. It has a 2TB USB drive attached where I store all my music, photos etc and also the HTPC records all its programs to it. Using the VPN I can access this from the internet. Having an upload internet speed of 10 Mbps helps. -- Nick Gardner Otter Valley, Devon 20 m amsl http://www.ottervalley.co.uk |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On 15/08/2015 22:34, Alan White wrote:
I did revert. There were so many bells and whistles that I would never use and the absence of Windows Media Player, which I use quite a lot, just didn't make it worth 'upgrading'. This, coupled with the fact that I was all set to replace motherboard, memory, CPU and graphics card, clinched it. One step at a time. Windows Media Player is still there in Windows 10. It is the rather excellent Windows Media Center that is missing so I won't be upgrading my media computer in the lounge. I've tried Linux alternatives but they've never worked as well or looked as good as WMC. Shame as I like Windows 10 and it runs faster than Windows 7 on my very old laptop. You just have to uninstall or disable all those 'apps' that I don't/never need but that only takes a few minutes. -- Nick Gardner Otter Valley, Devon 20 m amsl http://www.ottervalley.co.uk |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 18:28:00 +0100
"Eskimo Will" wrote: "Metman2012" wrote in message ... As for the data going back to MS, this can be changed. However, the targeted ads should be an improvement on having any old stuff sent down to you. Graham D - I believe you can 'train' Amazon to give you ads that are better than what you're getting. Whether MS's ads are better targeted remains to be seen - I hardly get any ads anyway.... I rarely get ads either. I suspect they really do think that our Graham needs some care and attention in his old age, like his car! :-) If my old age is like my car then it doesn't exist. I find growing up is highly overrated and to be avoided at all cost. Half of the e-mails I get from Amazon contain well-targeted and sometimes useful contents but the other half are just ridiculous. Yes Bruce, I heard a while ago that you could "train" Amazon but found it didn't work in practice. -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer] http://www.scarlet-jade.com/ I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/ |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
On 16/08/2015 21:08, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 18:28:00 +0100 .. Yes Bruce, I heard a while ago that you could "train" Amazon but found it didn't work in practice. Bruce is exmetman - I'm Metman2012. I've never 'trained Amazon' either and it seems to major on what I've looked at when logged in. But then I hardly ever look at the ads anyway! |
Completely off topic ~ Windows 10
"Metman2012" wrote in message ... On 16/08/2015 21:08, Graham P Davis wrote: On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 18:28:00 +0100 . Yes Bruce, I heard a while ago that you could "train" Amazon but found it didn't work in practice. Bruce is exmetman - I'm Metman2012. I've never 'trained Amazon' either and it seems to major on what I've looked at when logged in. But then I hardly ever look at the ads anyway! Perhaps if you used proper names then there would be no confusion, just a thought? Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- |
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