Sadly I missed marking the day, but I see from the SRSS tables (London) that
the evenings started - to the nearest minute - to draw out last Wednesday
(16th). Good to know psychologically if not visibly noticeable.

On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 6:27:01 PM UTC, JohnD wrote:
Sadly I missed marking the day, but I see from the SRSS tables (London) that
the evenings started - to the nearest minute - to draw out last Wednesday
(16th). Good to know psychologically if not visibly noticeable.

I noticed this looking at data for France. In Correze, where I'm headed, it's now 1711, which, to my mind, really does make a huge difference psychologically and is preferable to lighter mornings.
I hope that one day in the UK we'll move from putting the clocks back in Autumn for a year and then move onto double summer time.
Yes I understand the arguments against, but surely there are more in favour.

On 20/12/2015 19:24, David Mitchell wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 6:27:01 PM UTC, JohnD wrote:
Sadly I missed marking the day, but I see from the SRSS tables (London) that
the evenings started - to the nearest minute - to draw out last Wednesday
(16th). Good to know psychologically if not visibly noticeable.

I noticed this looking at data for France. In Correze, where I'm headed, it's now 1711, which, to my mind, really does make a huge difference psychologically and is preferable to lighter mornings.
I hope that one day in the UK we'll move from putting the clocks back in Autumn for a year and then move onto double summer time.
Yes I understand the arguments against, but surely there are more in favour.


DBST in the summer and BST in winter, would work for England & Wales.
We'll have to hope at the next Scots independence referendum, the Scots
nationalists will win the referendum, then the jocks can set their own time.

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David Mitchell writes
On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 6:27:01 PM UTC, JohnD wrote:
Sadly I missed marking the day, but I see from the SRSS tables (London) that
the evenings started - to the nearest minute - to draw out last Wednesday
(16th). Good to know psychologically if not visibly noticeable.

I noticed this looking at data for France. In Correze, where I'm
headed, it's now 1711, which, to my mind, really does make a huge
difference psychologically and is preferable to lighter mornings.
I hope that one day in the UK we'll move from putting the clocks back
in Autumn for a year and then move onto double summer time.
Yes I understand the arguments against, but surely there are more in favour.

Sticking to BST in winter was tried for a couple of years back in (I
think) the 1970s. It seemed to be unpopular, especially in Scotland
where it wasn't getting light till about 9AM, so was scrapped. I think
casualties on the roads may also have gone up, because most people's
journeys to work were at times when they were travelling in the dark
both morning and evening, whereas under GMT at least in southern England
many people were travelling to work in the light. (And that probably
applied even more so to schoolchildren.) Of course schools and employers
could have shifted their start and finish times to avoid that, but if
they had then there wasn't really any point in sticking with BST through
the winter.

Personally, I hate getting up in the dark, so would much sooner have
light mornings than light late afternoons / early evenings.
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

On Sunday, 20 December 2015 22:14:07 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
David Mitchell writes
On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 6:27:01 PM UTC, JohnD wrote:
Sadly I missed marking the day, but I see from the SRSS tables (London) that
the evenings started - to the nearest minute - to draw out last Wednesday
(16th). Good to know psychologically if not visibly noticeable.

I noticed this looking at data for France. In Correze, where I'm
headed, it's now 1711, which, to my mind, really does make a huge
difference psychologically and is preferable to lighter mornings.
I hope that one day in the UK we'll move from putting the clocks back
in Autumn for a year and then move onto double summer time.
Yes I understand the arguments against, but surely there are more in favour.

Sticking to BST in winter was tried for a couple of years back in (I
think) the 1970s. It seemed to be unpopular, especially in Scotland
where it wasn't getting light till about 9AM, so was scrapped. I think
casualties on the roads may also have gone up, because most people's
journeys to work were at times when they were travelling in the dark
both morning and evening, whereas under GMT at least in southern England
many people were travelling to work in the light. (And that probably
applied even more so to schoolchildren.) Of course schools and employers
could have shifted their start and finish times to avoid that, but if
they had then there wasn't really any point in sticking with BST through
the winter.

Personally, I hate getting up in the dark, so would much sooner have
light mornings than light late afternoons / early evenings.
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

I can understand it being unpopular in Scotland but it was quite popular in England and Wales and I think it would be now, to judge what people say to me. I would very much like it. There is no reason why the Scots couldn't revert to GMT in the winter, no sensible reason, that is. Obviously Westminster is still trying to hang on to Scotland but God knows why, given that it's almost a one-party state.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

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Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Sunday, 20 December 2015 22:14:07 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
David Mitchell writes
On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 6:27:01 PM UTC, JohnD wrote:
Sadly I missed marking the day, but I see from the SRSS tables
(London) that
the evenings started - to the nearest minute - to draw out last Wednesday
(16th). Good to know psychologically if not visibly noticeable.

I noticed this looking at data for France. In Correze, where I'm
headed, it's now 1711, which, to my mind, really does make a huge
difference psychologically and is preferable to lighter mornings.
I hope that one day in the UK we'll move from putting the clocks back
in Autumn for a year and then move onto double summer time.
Yes I understand the arguments against, but surely there are more in favour.

Sticking to BST in winter was tried for a couple of years back in (I
think) the 1970s. It seemed to be unpopular, especially in Scotland
where it wasn't getting light till about 9AM, so was scrapped. I think
casualties on the roads may also have gone up, because most people's
journeys to work were at times when they were travelling in the dark
both morning and evening, whereas under GMT at least in southern England
many people were travelling to work in the light. (And that probably
applied even more so to schoolchildren.) Of course schools and employers
could have shifted their start and finish times to avoid that, but if
they had then there wasn't really any point in sticking with BST through
the winter.

Personally, I hate getting up in the dark, so would much sooner have
light mornings than light late afternoons / early evenings.
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

I can understand it being unpopular in Scotland but it was quite
popular in England and Wales and I think it would be now, to judge
what people say to me. I would very much like it. There is no reason
why the Scots couldn't revert to GMT in the winter, no sensible
reason, that is. Obviously Westminster is still trying to hang on to
Scotland but God knows why, given that it's almost a one-party state.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

Well, there are larks and owls. I have a freind, and extreme lark,
whao gets up ay 4am even in winter. I rarely get up before 9am if I
can help it (although when I'm, at work I force myself to get up at
7). I would contend that if you get up in the dark, it doesn't much
matter how long it stays dark after that. But the dark afternoons
affect everyone, so making them lighter would affect everyone. Making
mornings lighter only benefits some....




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I can understand it being unpopular in Scotland but it was
quite popular in England and
Wales and I think it would be now, to judge what people say to
me. I would very much like it. There is no reason why the
Scots couldn't revert to GMT in the winter, no sensible
reason, that is.
Speaking as a Scot, I loved British Standard Time and I hate
going back to GMT for the winter. I'd far rather have lighter
afternoons than lighter mornings. Most of my friends agree. So
while some vociferous Scots may have been involved n scrapping
BST, it was by no means unanimous. Please don't tar us all with
the same brush!
Anne

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 00:32:59 -0000
"Anne B" wrote:

I can understand it being unpopular in Scotland but it was
quite popular in England and
Wales and I think it would be now, to judge what people say to
me. I would very much like it. There is no reason why the
Scots couldn't revert to GMT in the winter, no sensible
reason, that is.
Speaking as a Scot, I loved British Standard Time and I hate
going back to GMT for the winter. I'd far rather have lighter
afternoons than lighter mornings. Most of my friends agree. So
while some vociferous Scots may have been involved n scrapping
BST, it was by no means unanimous. Please don't tar us all with
the same brush!
Anne


I agree with you, Anne, in asking Tudor not to tar everyone with the
same brush but for a different reason. I also endured the British
Standard Time experiment and hated it. Even down in this neck of the
woods, I found myself driving driving to work and going home in the dark
during the middle of the winter.

It's said that it's safer for schoolchildren to cycle home from school
in the light but first of all, why not get them to have lights on their
bikes? When I last checked this, 69% of cyclists here did not use any
lights when cycling at night.

I heard the other day that one EU country - Portugal? - is planning to
put the clocks back an hour so they'll be in line with UK time. Seems
odd that we'd go the other way.

I'd say we should ditch the whole "daylight-saving-time" idea and stick
to GMT.

--
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 00:32:59 -0000
"Anne B" wrote:

I can understand it being unpopular in Scotland but it was
quite popular in England and
Wales and I think it would be now, to judge what people say to
me. I would very much like it. There is no reason why the
Scots couldn't revert to GMT in the winter, no sensible
reason, that is.
Speaking as a Scot, I loved British Standard Time and I hate
going back to GMT for the winter. I'd far rather have lighter
afternoons than lighter mornings. Most of my friends agree. So
while some vociferous Scots may have been involved n scrapping
BST, it was by no means unanimous. Please don't tar us all with
the same brush!
Anne


I agree with you, Anne, in asking Tudor not to tar everyone with the
same brush but for a different reason. I also endured the British
Standard Time experiment and hated it. Even down in this neck of the
woods, I found myself driving driving to work and going home in the dark
during the middle of the winter.

It's said that it's safer for schoolchildren to cycle home from school
in the light but first of all, why not get them to have lights on their
bikes? When I last checked this, 69% of cyclists here did not use any
lights when cycling at night.

I heard the other day that one EU country - Portugal? - is planning to
put the clocks back an hour so they'll be in line with UK time. Seems
odd that we'd go the other way.

I'd say we should ditch the whole "daylight-saving-time" idea and stick
to GMT.


Here here, messing around with the clocks has really f****d up our weather
too.

Will
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believes that it was created in 1910 "
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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 6:27:01 PM UTC, JohnD wrote:
Sadly I missed marking the day, but I see from the SRSS tables (London) that
the evenings started - to the nearest minute - to draw out last Wednesday
(16th). Good to know psychologically if not visibly noticeable.

As a southerner living in Scotland I find it utterly miserable in winter and I doubt if the clock setting would have much difference.

Yesterday morning the sun rose over the hill at 9.38 and set again at around 2.35. The elevation of the sun (or lack of it) at midday has to be seen to be believed.

Trevor