With 410.4mm so far this month, December 2015 is the wettest month we've
experienced since moving here in August 2002.

--
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By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland.
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:52:36 +0000, Alan White
wrote:

With 410.4mm so far this month, December 2015 is the wettest month we've
experienced since moving here in August 2002.


This is a factually correct statement and this month is generating lots of
similar statistics and it's very easy to see why, because such statistics are
very easy to produce. Using the calendar month is very easy from a clerical
point of view but it has no particular scientific basis. For recording purposes
we merely use the calendar months for convenience. Equally legitimate would be
to assume that the 'clerical' month started on. say, the 15th of each calendar
month and this would produce different statistics. An added complication is that
calendar months are not all the same length. A more useful statistic for
comparison purposes would be the running 30-day rainfall totals starting on any
day of the month.

I've had a trawl through the rainfall measurements for Tideswell for the period
from 1st Jan 2009 to date. The wettest calendar month (starting at 0900z on the
1st) was December 2011 with 224.4 mm. This, of course, covers a 31-day period.
(December 2015 will have a much lower total). The highest 30-day total startiing
on any day of the month was 233.9 mm in the 30 days ending 0900z on 3rd Dec
2015. This is 4.2% higher than the total for the highest calendar month. If I
chose to start the 30-day period at any hour rather than just 0900z then I might
find a slightly higher 30-day total but it's not so easy for me to do that as my
daily measurements are made using a standard 5" manual rain gauge.

The next highest 30-day total (09z-09z) was 233.0 mm in the 30 days to 13 Dec
2015 and after that is 232.8 mm in the 30 days to 4 Dec 2015.

It's almost certain that November/December this year will produce
record-breaking rainfall statistics for many locations in the British Isles but
the statistics will have more legitimacy if they are not constrained to the
calendar months.

I was surprised that that highest 30-day total for Tideswell was only 4.2%
higher than the highest total for a calendar month. I'd be interested learn how
the statistcs for other locations compare.

On 30/12/2015 21:53, Norman Lynagh wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:52:36 +0000, Alan White
wrote:

With 410.4mm so far this month, December 2015 is the wettest month we've
experienced since moving here in August 2002.


This is a factually correct statement and this month is generating lots of
similar statistics and it's very easy to see why, because such statistics are
very easy to produce. Using the calendar month is very easy from a clerical
point of view but it has no particular scientific basis. For recording purposes
we merely use the calendar months for convenience. Equally legitimate would be
to assume that the 'clerical' month started on. say, the 15th of each calendar
month and this would produce different statistics. An added complication is that
calendar months are not all the same length. A more useful statistic for
comparison purposes would be the running 30-day rainfall totals starting on any
day of the month.

I've had a trawl through the rainfall measurements for Tideswell for the period
from 1st Jan 2009 to date. The wettest calendar month (starting at 0900z on the
1st) was December 2011 with 224.4 mm. This, of course, covers a 31-day period.
(December 2015 will have a much lower total). The highest 30-day total startiing
on any day of the month was 233.9 mm in the 30 days ending 0900z on 3rd Dec
2015. This is 4.2% higher than the total for the highest calendar month. If I
chose to start the 30-day period at any hour rather than just 0900z then I might
find a slightly higher 30-day total but it's not so easy for me to do that as my
daily measurements are made using a standard 5" manual rain gauge.

The next highest 30-day total (09z-09z) was 233.0 mm in the 30 days to 13 Dec
2015 and after that is 232.8 mm in the 30 days to 4 Dec 2015.

It's almost certain that November/December this year will produce
record-breaking rainfall statistics for many locations in the British Isles but
the statistics will have more legitimacy if they are not constrained to the
calendar months.

I was surprised that that highest 30-day total for Tideswell was only 4.2%
higher than the highest total for a calendar month. I'd be interested learn how
the statistcs for other locations compare.


So true...I have been hoping it wouldn't turn cooler until the end of
the month, purely to smash the calendar December record. But it's all
relative I guess.

--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@SS9Weatherman

In message
Norman Lynagh wrote:

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:52:36 +0000, Alan White
wrote:

With 410.4mm so far this month, December 2015 is the wettest month we've
experienced since moving here in August 2002.


This is a factually correct statement and this month is generating lots of
similar statistics and it's very easy to see why, because such statistics are
very easy to produce. Using the calendar month is very easy from a clerical
point of view but it has no particular scientific basis. For recording
purposes
we merely use the calendar months for convenience. Equally legitimate
would be
to assume that the 'clerical' month started on. say, the 15th of each
calendar
month and this would produce different statistics. An added
complication is that
calendar months are not all the same length. A more useful statistic for
comparison purposes would be the running 30-day rainfall totals
starting on any
day of the month.

I've had a trawl through the rainfall measurements for Tideswell for
the period
from 1st Jan 2009 to date. The wettest calendar month (starting at
0900z on the
1st) was December 2011 with 224.4 mm. This, of course, covers a 31-day
period.
(December 2015 will have a much lower total). The highest 30-day total
startiing
on any day of the month was 233.9 mm in the 30 days ending 0900z on 3rd Dec
2015. This is 4.2% higher than the total for the highest calendar month. If I
chose to start the 30-day period at any hour rather than just 0900z
then I might
find a slightly higher 30-day total but it's not so easy for me to do
that as my
daily measurements are made using a standard 5" manual rain gauge.

The next highest 30-day total (09z-09z) was 233.0 mm in the 30 days to 13 Dec
2015 and after that is 232.8 mm in the 30 days to 4 Dec 2015.

It's almost certain that November/December this year will produce
record-breaking rainfall statistics for many locations in the British
Isles but
the statistics will have more legitimacy if they are not constrained to the
calendar months.

I was surprised that that highest 30-day total for Tideswell was only 4.2%
higher than the highest total for a calendar month. I'd be interested
learn how
the statistcs for other locations compare.

I have 66.3mm so far for this month in Leicester. Not much more than
half the rainfall of December 2012. In fact 2012 had 5 months that
were wetter than December 2015. That's calendar months of course.

Martin


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On 30/12/2015 11:52, Alan White wrote:
With 410.4mm so far this month, December 2015 is the wettest month we've
experienced since moving here in August 2002.



My wettest is Nov 2009 with 418mm.

Will
--

To be honest Norman, you have a fair point. Equally, it's also time to ditch the 0900 time and switch to 0000. There are so many figures quoted, 0000,0900, 0600,1800 etc, that it's time for consistency, surely?

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:25:51 -0800 (PST)
David Mitchell wrote:

To be honest Norman, you have a fair point. Equally, it's also time
to ditch the 0900 time and switch to 0000. There are so many figures
quoted, 0000,0900, 0600,1800 etc, that it's time for consistency,
surely?

But by switching to 00Z you won't be able to compare with past records.
You lose consistency.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/

Alan White wrote in
:

With 410.4mm so far this month, December 2015 is the wettest month we've
experienced since moving here in August 2002.


Only 47mm here in St Albans this month which is below the average over my
recording period starting in Decemnber 2001.

It looks as if the yearly rainfall total will be almost exactly the avarage
value over the period.

Alan

Chiswell Green
St Albans

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 11:52:18 AM UTC, Alan White wrote:
With 410.4mm so far this month, December 2015 is the wettest month we've
experienced since moving here in August 2002.

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
By Loch Long, twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.co.uk/weather

162.6mm in Penzance up to 09:00 on 31st. That's 114% of normal, though it's currently raining. Wettest December was 276.5mm in 1999.

Average mean temperature of 12.1C is quite incredible. That's 2.8C warmer than any December since 1991! May 2013 1.2C colder.

Looks like being particularly wet down here over the next few days.

Graham
Penzance

On Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:58:07 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
On 30/12/2015 21:53, Norman Lynagh wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:52:36 +0000, Alan White
wrote:

With 410.4mm so far this month, December 2015 is the wettest month we've
experienced since moving here in August 2002.


This is a factually correct statement and this month is generating lots of
similar statistics and it's very easy to see why, because such statistics are
very easy to produce. Using the calendar month is very easy from a clerical
point of view but it has no particular scientific basis. For recording purposes
we merely use the calendar months for convenience. Equally legitimate would be
to assume that the 'clerical' month started on. say, the 15th of each calendar
month and this would produce different statistics. An added complication is that
calendar months are not all the same length. A more useful statistic for
comparison purposes would be the running 30-day rainfall totals starting on any
day of the month.

I've had a trawl through the rainfall measurements for Tideswell for the period
from 1st Jan 2009 to date. The wettest calendar month (starting at 0900z on the
1st) was December 2011 with 224.4 mm. This, of course, covers a 31-day period.
(December 2015 will have a much lower total). The highest 30-day total startiing
on any day of the month was 233.9 mm in the 30 days ending 0900z on 3rd Dec
2015. This is 4.2% higher than the total for the highest calendar month.. If I
chose to start the 30-day period at any hour rather than just 0900z then I might
find a slightly higher 30-day total but it's not so easy for me to do that as my
daily measurements are made using a standard 5" manual rain gauge.

The next highest 30-day total (09z-09z) was 233.0 mm in the 30 days to 13 Dec
2015 and after that is 232.8 mm in the 30 days to 4 Dec 2015.

It's almost certain that November/December this year will produce
record-breaking rainfall statistics for many locations in the British Isles but
the statistics will have more legitimacy if they are not constrained to the
calendar months.

I was surprised that that highest 30-day total for Tideswell was only 4..2%
higher than the highest total for a calendar month. I'd be interested learn how
the statistcs for other locations compare.


So true...I have been hoping it wouldn't turn cooler until the end of
the month, purely to smash the calendar December record. But it's all
relative I guess.

--

Yes, temperature is the record-breaker in the SE, not rainfall. My total so far is 79.5 mm, not far off normal. But the mean temperature for the month is 10.2°C, 5.3 degC above the local mean (32 years) and 3.5 degC above the next highest (1985 and 1994). No air frost, not by a mile (1 mile = 3.9 degC). December 1988 had no air frost but the lowest was 0.0°C. Wind statistics would be interesting but I don't measure it except as a Beaufort estimate once a day.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey, 557 ft, 169 m.