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February 13th 16, 06:24 PM
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Channel lows ain't what they used to be?
I pose it as a question, but would the synoptic situation that we've had over the past 24 hours have submerged southern England in a blanket of snow 20+ years ago? We've now got fairly strong north-easterlies and cold rain at the most, over England.
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February 13th 16, 06:26 PM
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Channel lows ain't what they used to be?
Over *lowland* England. 😀😀
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February 13th 16, 09:07 PM
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Channel lows ain't what they used to be?
dawlish Wrote in message:
I pose it as a question, but would the synoptic situation that we've had over the past 24 hours have submerged southern England in a blanket of snow 20+ years ago? We've now got fairly strong north-easterlies and cold rain at the most, over England. No, as the continent is not cold. You have an Easterly that is 36 hours old, and the presssure pattern that caused the easterly originated over the SW Approaches and propogated eastwards. An identical synoptic situation 20 years ago would've had an identical effect, all other things being equal. -- Freddie Pontesbury Shropshire 102m AMSL http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/ http://twitter.com/PontesburyWx for hourly reports ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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February 13th 16, 09:19 PM
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Channel lows ain't what they used to be?
On 13/02/2016 19:58, Freddie wrote:
dawlish Wrote in message: I pose it as a question, but would the synoptic situation that we've had over the past 24 hours have submerged southern England in a blanket of snow 20+ years ago? We've now got fairly strong north-easterlies and cold rain at the most, over England. No, as the continent is not cold. You have an Easterly that is 36 hours old, and the presssure pattern that caused the easterly originated over the SW Approaches and propogated eastwards. An identical synoptic situation 20 years ago would've had an identical effect, all other things being equal. I think the difference 20 years ago is the near continent would have been much colder and we would be looking at temperatures hovering around zero today. The ice has retreated much further north and east a bit like all the glaciers have retreated higher up the mountains. -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@SS9Weatherman |
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February 13th 16, 09:23 PM
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On Saturday, 13 February 2016 19:58:16 UTC, Freddie wrote:
dawlish Wrote in message: I pose it as a question, but would the synoptic situation that we've had over the past 24 hours have submerged southern England in a blanket of snow 20+ years ago? We've now got fairly strong north-easterlies and cold rain at the most, over England. No, as the continent is not cold. You have an Easterly that is 36 hours old, and the presssure pattern that caused the easterly originated over the SW Approaches and propogated eastwards. An identical synoptic situation 20 years ago would've had an identical effect, all other things being equal. -- Freddie Pontesbury Shropshire 102m AMSL http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/ http://twitter.com/PontesburyWx for hourly reports ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ Think people forget that at least in London in the sixties and seventies, without checking the records, that every winter was settled snow fall or snowfall. I remember in 1980/81 that being a very mild non eventful winter in the SE. Actually it was just before Christmas 1980 I read a small article in the Telegraph about a company called 'Weather Action' and their spokesman a Mr Piers Corbin predicting an exceptionally bitter winter. Of course it didn't happen. |
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February 13th 16, 09:35 PM
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On Saturday, 13 February 2016 21:19:34 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
On 13/02/2016 19:58, Freddie wrote: dawlish Wrote in message: I pose it as a question, but would the synoptic situation that we've had over the past 24 hours have submerged southern England in a blanket of snow 20+ years ago? We've now got fairly strong north-easterlies and cold rain at the most, over England. No, as the continent is not cold. You have an Easterly that is 36 hours old, and the presssure pattern that caused the easterly originated over the SW Approaches and propogated eastwards. An identical synoptic situation 20 years ago would've had an identical effect, all other things being equal. I think the difference 20 years ago is the near continent would have been much colder and we would be looking at temperatures hovering around zero today. The ice has retreated much further north and east a bit like all the glaciers have retreated higher up the mountains. -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@SS9Weatherman Its weather patterns , that's all again I remember the fantastic winter of 78/79 where after the initial very cold post Christmas and new year period with widespread snow that shortly after we had a low producing and easterly but it was just sleet and rain. Global temps since then according to the AMSU satellite data have risen by about .5 Celsius I don't think that would trump weather patterns. If its being suggested its purely down to AGW we would then have to explain this http://news.yahoo.com/mayor-urges-ex...040122658.html |
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February 13th 16, 09:51 PM
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Lawrence Jenkins writes Think people forget that at least in London in the sixties and seventies, without checking the records, that every winter was settled snow fall or snowfall. I remember in 1980/81 that being a very mild non eventful winter in the SE. Actually it was just before Christmas 1980 I read a small article in the Telegraph about a company called 'Weather Action' and their spokesman a Mr Piers Corbin predicting an exceptionally bitter winter. Of course it didn't happen. I remember a spell of almost snowless winters where I live (only thirty miles from London) that lasted from 1970-1 until 1975-6 inclusive. My memory is borne out by this site: http://www.neforum2.co.uk/ferryhillw.../bonacina.html It's true that most winters in the 1960s had snow, but I think in lowland southern England runs of almost snowless winters have always occurred from time to time. For example there was 1902-3 to 1905-6. Our current run is only up to three winters (assuming this winter remains largely snowless). -- John Hall "Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend, an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones |
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February 13th 16, 10:27 PM
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On 13/02/2016 21:19, Keith (Southend) wrote:
On 13/02/2016 19:58, Freddie wrote: dawlish Wrote in message: I pose it as a question, but would the synoptic situation that we've had over the past 24 hours have submerged southern England in a blanket of snow 20+ years ago? We've now got fairly strong north-easterlies and cold rain at the most, over England. No, as the continent is not cold. You have an Easterly that is 36 hours old, and the presssure pattern that caused the easterly originated over the SW Approaches and propogated eastwards. An identical synoptic situation 20 years ago would've had an identical effect, all other things being equal. I think the difference 20 years ago is the near continent would have been much colder and we would be looking at temperatures hovering around zero today. The ice has retreated much further north and east a bit like all the glaciers have retreated higher up the mountains. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think Freddie is right but so are you. The two are not mutually exclusive. There is no question that the North Sea is rarely as cold in February as it used to be and the Baltic freezes much less. Has to have an effect as air passes over it. Dave |
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February 14th 16, 03:07 AM
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"Keith (Southend)" Wrote in message:
On 13/02/2016 19:58, Freddie wrote: dawlish Wrote in message: I pose it as a question, but would the synoptic situation that we've had over the past 24 hours have submerged southern England in a blanket of snow 20+ years ago? We've now got fairly strong north-easterlies and cold rain at the most, over England. No, as the continent is not cold. You have an Easterly that is 36 hours old, and the presssure pattern that caused the easterly originated over the SW Approaches and propogated eastwards. An identical synoptic situation 20 years ago would've had an identical effect, all other things being equal. I think the difference 20 years ago is the near continent would have been much colder and we would be looking at temperatures hovering around zero today. The ice has retreated much further north and east a bit like all the glaciers have retreated higher up the mountains. -- Keith (Southend) "Weather Home & Abroad" http://www.southendweather.net Twitter:@SS9Weatherman If we had a similar run of weather 20 years ago as we had now, then it wouldn't have been much colder. That's what I meant by all other things being equal. -- Freddie Pontesbury Shropshire 102m AMSL http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/ http://twitter.com/PontesburyWx for hourly reports ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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February 14th 16, 04:48 AM
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Channel lows ain't what they used to be?
On Saturday, 13 February 2016 19:58:16 UTC, Freddie wrote:
dawlish Wrote in message: I pose it as a question, but would the synoptic situation that we've had over the past 24 hours have submerged southern England in a blanket of snow 20+ years ago? We've now got fairly strong north-easterlies and cold rain at the most, over England. No, as the continent is not cold. You have an Easterly that is 36 hours old, and the presssure pattern that caused the easterly originated over the SW Approaches and propogated eastwards. An identical synoptic situation 20 years ago would've had an identical effect, all other things being equal. -- Freddie Yes, it's not An Easterly as we know and love, well, some people. The air in it has been lurking not too far from these islands and doesn't come from anything like far enough east to be seriously cold. Having said that, the North Sea and near continent are a little warmer than normal. Tudor Hughes. |
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