http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-en...e=news_central

What ever is agreed surely with the third world econmies growing like
they are we haven't got a hope in hell of reducing Co2 levels. Thatr's
not to say we are ALL to blame as we all like using are phones and
computers and cars.

Whatever you believe we will all pay in the end.
--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@SS9Weatherman

On Friday, 11 March 2016 12:43:57 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-en...e=news_central

What ever is agreed surely with the third world econmies growing like
they are we haven't got a hope in hell of reducing Co2 levels. That arse's
not to say we are ALL to blame as we all like using are phones and
computers and cars.

Don't be so bloody Dawlish. He's got an excuse . He was born brain damaged. His socks talk to him and tell him lies. Don't let that happen to you.

Whatever you believe we will all pay in the end.

When they send me the bill I will have no need to ask where to pass it on to you then. What I believe is that once everyone has the same playingf field enough top spread the word about arms deals right wing politics and mas genocide -even poor countries making the most of dire insanitary conditions to get rid of undesirables as they have since Kemal Attaturk and Good King Leopold.

-Even the social reformer and civil rights campaigner George Washington, did his fair share of butchery and murder probably even rape but he got too much good PR by winning, for us ever to find out what sort of evil ******* he really was.

In modern times we have good King Richard to thank for the nuclear reactors going wrong in the USA but we had a fair few misdeeds of own that managed to get done without too much comeback on the imbeciles irresponsible and now you want to add you twopenny halffence to the plot. Come back Garvey you ****-wit all is forbidden.

On Friday, 11 March 2016 12:43:57 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:

What ever is agreed surely with the third world econmies growing like
they are we haven't got a hope in hell of reducing Co2 levels. Thatr's
not to say we are ALL to blame as we all like using are phones and
computers and cars.

Whatever you believe we will all pay in the end.

Even if the third world economies were not growing, do you really think that we would reduce our emissions? We are still trying to grow our economy. Even the new left wing leadership in the Labour Party are advocating that. Expand the economy and you have more cars on the road and more carbon emissions.

Until the scientists realise the disaster we are all facing, e.g. half the global population dying of starvation, and warn the public of the dangers, then that disaster is inevitable.

But some, even here, are peddling complacency and apathy. No wonder the politicians and public can't see the catastrophe ahead. When they do wake up to the dangers it will be too late!

On Friday, 11 March 2016 12:43:57 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-en...e=news_central

What ever is agreed surely with the third world econmies growing like
they are we haven't got a hope in hell of reducing Co2 levels. Thatr's
not to say we are ALL to blame as we all like using are phones and
computers and cars.

Whatever you believe we will all pay in the end.
--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@SS9Weatherman

Good the plants love it.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 09:17:47 -0800 (PST)
Alastair wrote:

On Friday, 11 March 2016 12:43:57 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:

What ever is agreed surely with the third world econmies growing
like they are we haven't got a hope in hell of reducing Co2 levels.
Thatr's not to say we are ALL to blame as we all like using are
phones and computers and cars.

Whatever you believe we will all pay in the end.

Even if the third world economies were not growing, do you really
think that we would reduce our emissions? We are still trying to grow
our economy. Even the new left wing leadership in the Labour Party
are advocating that. Expand the economy and you have more cars on the
road and more carbon emissions.

Until the scientists realise the disaster we are all facing, e.g.
half the global population dying of starvation, and warn the public
of the dangers, then that disaster is inevitable.

But some, even here, are peddling complacency and apathy. No wonder
the politicians and public can't see the catastrophe ahead. When they
do wake up to the dangers it will be too late!

I can't remember whether I recommended the book 'Adventures in the
Anthropocene' by Gaia Vince, but if I didn't I am now.

The book tells of her visits to various parts of the planet and how
they are being affected by climate change. Although parts of it make
you angry at the stupid politicians, there are some uplifting tales of
how local people, when they are given a chance, are finding ways to
counteract the problem.

These solutions are usually very low-tech and can be done very cheaply.
One guy rigged up a wi-fi system covering over 20km using tech that
should only have worked over a few metres. When he told the
manufacturers how he'd done it, they just said it was impossible and
ignored him; it's not just the politicians who are useless tools.

To be fair, she tells of one politician who did a marvellous job - so
the military threw him out.


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/

On Friday, 11 March 2016 19:39:50 UTC, Graham P Davis wrote:

I can't remember whether I recommended the book 'Adventures in the
Anthropocene' by Gaia Vince, but if I didn't I am now.

The book tells of her visits to various parts of the planet and how
they are being affected by climate change. Although parts of it make
you angry at the stupid politicians, there are some uplifting tales of
how local people, when they are given a chance, are finding ways to
counteract the problem.

These solutions are usually very low-tech and can be done very cheaply.
One guy rigged up a wi-fi system covering over 20km using tech that
should only have worked over a few metres. When he told the
manufacturers how he'd done it, they just said it was impossible and
ignored him; it's not just the politicians who are useless tools.

To be fair, she tells of one politician who did a marvellous job - so
the military threw him out.


Graham,

you may have seen that in their March newsletter the RMetSoc announced that they have just produced, in collaboration with NCAS and the RGS, a climate change update booklet for A level geography teachers.

The Summary for the section on Tipping Points reads:

"A climate tipping point is a critical threshold when global or regional climate changes from one stable state to another stable state. The tipping point event may or may not be reversible.
Aspects of the Earth's climate system have tipped in the past, and projections suggest that increasing greenhouse gas concentrations may lead to future tipping points being reached.
The most likely abrupt, but reversible, change to the climate system expected in the 21st century is the decline of Arctic sea-ice, especially in the summer."

And later they write:

"It is likely that the Arctic Ocean will become nearly ice-free in September before 2050. The transition will be abrupt but, if the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere falls, the loss of sea-ice could be reversed within years to decades."

I think we would agree that the Arctic sea ice will be gone well before 2050, and that the reason the transition will be abrupt is because it will be driven by the positive ice-albedo feedback.

That being so, there is no chance of it being reversed if the amount of CO2 falls. The positive feedback will induce a hysteresis where a considerable decrease in CO2 will be needed to restore the sea ice, although when that occurs it too will happen abruptly.

Finally they write:

"The effect of rapid changes to Arctic sea-ice might have consequences throughout the climate system, particularly on cloud cover."

The effects of loss of the Arctic sea ice will not only make us a little cloudier. The warmer Arctic will melt the Greenland ice sheet raising sea level by 7 m, which will lift the West Antarctic ice shelves off their grounding lines. This will remove their buttressing effect on the West Antarctic ice sheet allowing it to slide into the ocean and raise sea level by another 5 m.

You can read it all he

http://www.metlink.org/climate/ipcc-...ipping-points/

On Friday, 11 March 2016 17:42:11 UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 11 March 2016 12:43:57 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-en...e=news_central

What ever is agreed surely with the third world econmies growing like
they are we haven't got a hope in hell of reducing Co2 levels. Thatr's
not to say we are ALL to blame as we all like using are phones and
computers and cars.

Whatever you believe we will all pay in the end.
--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@SS9Weatherman

Good the plants love it.

Lawrence,

Didn't you know that plants do not grow on ice sheets? Nor would those living on the Somerset Levels or the Fens appreciate a sea level rise of 12 m.

SNIP

I can't remember whether I recommended the book 'Adventures in the
Anthropocene' by Gaia Vince, but if I didn't I am now.

The book tells of her visits to various parts of the planet and how
they are being affected by climate change. Although parts of it make
you angry at the stupid politicians, there are some uplifting tales of
how local people, when they are given a chance, are finding ways to
counteract the problem.

These solutions are usually very low-tech and can be done very cheaply.
One guy rigged up a wi-fi system covering over 20km using tech that
should only have worked over a few metres. When he told the
manufacturers how he'd done it, they just said it was impossible and
ignored him; it's not just the politicians who are useless tools.

To be fair, she tells of one politician who did a marvellous job - so
the military threw him out.

Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/

I've read it, and thought it was excellent. I won't say any more or I'll end up being controversial. Best people read it & see for themselves.

(OT) There are still humpback whales off west Cornwall. The media were quite excited for 24 hours in January, but their attention span meant they soon moved on. There was a whale off Mousehole a few days ago, the day after a pod of dolphins went past.
http://www.piratefm.co.uk/news/lates...-off-cornwall/

Graham
Penzance

On Friday, 11 March 2016 17:42:11 UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

What ever is agreed surely with the third world econmies growing like
they are we haven't got a hope in hell of reducing Co2 levels.
Good the plants love it.

You are wasting your time telling this to environmentalist they are mentalists: Fundamentalists. What the third would needs now is green fundamentalists to help them reconfigure elastic bands.

Never in the field with knicker elastic has so much power been owed by so many to so few. I can see it now: Human powered flight, ably assisted by a grand following eager to catch up and have a throw and trying hard to wind up the elastic with one hand holding their underpants up.

On 11/03/2016 17:17, Alastair wrote:
On Friday, 11 March 2016 12:43:57 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:

What ever is agreed surely with the third world econmies growing like
they are we haven't got a hope in hell of reducing Co2 levels. Thatr's
not to say we are ALL to blame as we all like using are phones and
computers and cars.

Whatever you believe we will all pay in the end.

Even if the third world economies were not growing, do you really think that we would reduce our emissions? We are still trying to grow our economy. Even the new left wing leadership in the Labour Party are advocating that. Expand the economy and you have more cars on the road and more carbon emissions.

Until the scientists realise the disaster we are all facing, e.g. half the global population dying of starvation, and warn the public of the dangers, then that disaster is inevitable.

But some, even here, are peddling complacency and apathy. No wonder the politicians and public can't see the catastrophe ahead. When they do wake up to the dangers it will be too late!


World oil would've run out by the middle of this century so with no oil
driven vehicles, boats, trains or planes it should give the planet to
recover. Unless humanity is so stoopid that it replaces oil driven
vehicles, boats, and trains by steam driven vehicles, boats, and trains
run by coal.