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Well I probably won't leave or threaten to after my 15+ odd years on
here. I am generally thought of (outside of here) as a tolerant,
compassionate, patient person but tempered by a sarcastic side and a
sense of humour and dry wit.
I could easily say enough is enough at this point but I won't because a
minority will never win in the end. Wouldn't it be nice though if
someone could set up a parallel USW Group which was by invitation
only.Still unmoderated and allowed to stray a bit now and again without
the fear of being banned. Thereafter only removed by majority vote of
the other members. There are probably only three or four members, on
either side of the fence so to speak, that a large number of people
don't get on with. But that wouldn't bother me, they are entitled to
their opinions, even if sometimes put across more arrogantly, selfishly,
patronisingly or aggressively than I would. Now and then they even
manage to say something about the weather.
Personally I would invite every single one of them BAR ONE.

And yes JUMPER, I do mean you.

For those that have forgotten the charter for this Group (formulated by
some far better people than myself) as it stands:-

This group is essentially for the discussion of daily weather events,
chiefly affecting the UK and adjacent parts of Europe, both past and
predicted. The discussion is open to all, but contributions on a
practical scientific level are encouraged. It may also contain postings
of observations during interesting weather episodes. The group is
expected to be patronised by both amateurs and professionals (including
academics), but it is primarily for weather enthusiasts rather than
research scientists. Any discussion of climate issues should be from a
scientific standpoint and not a political (or environmental-activist) one.

Dave

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"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message ...

Wouldn't it be nice though if
someone could set up a parallel USW Group which was by invitation
only. Still unmoderated...
====================

Haven't we been round this loop many times before. AIUI it's still the case
that unmoderated newsgroups are automatically open to all and there's no
control possible over the 'membership'. Moderated groups are something
different of course, but then there obviously has to be a moderation panel,
a way of avoiding aliases for banned members etc.

To reiterate what has I think been said many times before, the only other
alternative is a web forum, where membership is more easily controlled. A
small handful of people here for some reason don't like forums, but I
suspect that the great majority here do use - probably multiple - forums
every day and enjoy the extra benefits on offer such as the ability to post
images, the ability to segregate OT posts into a separate subforum etc. Of
course someone still has to manage and maintain a forum so it's not a simple
option, although some UK weather forums like UKWW, NetWeather etc already
exist. If there was more concerted support to migrate to one of these forums
(or to start a new one) then many here might take up the option.
uk.sci.weather is the only reason that I run a (primitive - it's not worth
anything more) newsreader and I'd personally welcome the opportunity to
ditch that.

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On 26/06/2016 18:08, JohnD wrote:
"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message ...

Wouldn't it be nice though if
someone could set up a parallel USW Group which was by invitation
only. Still unmoderated...
====================

Haven't we been round this loop many times before. AIUI it's still the
case that unmoderated newsgroups are automatically open to all and
there's no control possible over the 'membership'. Moderated groups are
something different of course, but then there obviously has to be a
moderation panel, a way of avoiding aliases for banned members etc.

To reiterate what has I think been said many times before, the only
other alternative is a web forum, where membership is more easily
controlled. A small handful of people here for some reason don't like
forums, but I suspect that the great majority here do use - probably
multiple - forums every day and enjoy the extra benefits on offer such
as the ability to post images, the ability to segregate OT posts into a
separate subforum etc. Of course someone still has to manage and
maintain a forum so it's not a simple option, although some UK weather
forums like UKWW, NetWeather etc already exist. If there was more
concerted support to migrate to one of these forums (or to start a new
one) then many here might take up the option. uk.sci.weather is the only
reason that I run a (primitive - it's not worth anything more)
newsreader and I'd personally welcome the opportunity to ditch that.
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I'm not suggesting we change anything, just making a point and saying
what would be nice, not that it might be possible!

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JohnD wrote:

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message ...

Wouldn't it be nice though if
someone could set up a parallel USW Group which was by invitation
only. Still unmoderated...
====================

Haven't we been round this loop many times before. AIUI it's still the case
that unmoderated newsgroups are automatically open to all and there's no
control possible over the 'membership'. Moderated groups are something
different of course, but then there obviously has to be a moderation panel, a
way of avoiding aliases for banned members etc.

To reiterate what has I think been said many times before, the only other
alternative is a web forum, where membership is more easily controlled. A
small handful of people here for some reason don't like forums, but I suspect
that the great majority here do use - probably multiple - forums every day
and enjoy the extra benefits on offer such as the ability to post images, the
ability to segregate OT posts into a separate subforum etc. Of course someone
still has to manage and maintain a forum so it's not a simple option,
although some UK weather forums like UKWW, NetWeather etc already exist. If
there was more concerted support to migrate to one of these forums (or to
start a new one) then many here might take up the option. uk.sci.weather is
the only reason that I run a (primitive - it's not worth anything more)
newsreader and I'd personally welcome the opportunity to ditch that.

I've had a look at a number of forums, on meteorology and other subjects, and
they're not for me. I don't use any of them. As I have said many times before,
it's very easy to be your own moderator on USW provided you use a proper
newsreader. Much better than relying on a remote moderator whose priorities
might be rather different from your own. For me, USW is pretty well
rubbish-free and is just as friendly a place as it ever was. The start of the
EU referendum thread slipped through my defences a few days ago but I now have
all of that filtered out.

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Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org

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On 26/06/2016 19:03, Norman Lynagh wrote:
I've had a look at a number of forums, on meteorology and other subjects, and
they're not for me. I don't use any of them. As I have said many times before,
it's very easy to be your own moderator on USW provided you use a proper
newsreader. Much better than relying on a remote moderator whose priorities
might be rather different from your own. For me, USW is pretty well
rubbish-free and is just as friendly a place as it ever was. The start of the
EU referendum thread slipped through my defences a few days ago but I now have
all of that filtered out.

I agree Norman. I've got a fairly long kill-file list that makes this
newsgroup a more friendlier place. The ones that do slip through I just
delete immediately without reading them.

I just wish people would not reply to the 'trouble-makers'. There's a
saying that has been around a while now: "Don't feed the Trolls". If
people would adhere to that then the need for kill-filing/deleting etc
will probably not need to happen as the 'Trolls' will get bored and go
away. Replying to them just encourages them all the more.

No sunshine today making it the second sunless day this month in what is
turning out to be a very cloudy June with just 116 hours of sunshine so far.

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Nick Gardner
Otter Valley, Devon
20 m amsl
http://www.ottervalleyweather.me.uk

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JohnD wrote:

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message ...

Wouldn't it be nice though if
someone could set up a parallel USW Group which was by invitation
only. Still unmoderated...
====================

Haven't we been round this loop many times before. AIUI it's still the case
that unmoderated newsgroups are automatically open to all and there's no
control possible over the 'membership'. Moderated groups are something
different of course, but then there obviously has to be a moderation panel, a
way of avoiding aliases for banned members etc.

To reiterate what has I think been said many times before, the only other
alternative is a web forum, where membership is more easily controlled. A
small handful of people here for some reason don't like forums, but I suspect
that the great majority here do use - probably multiple - forums every day
and enjoy the extra benefits on offer such as the ability to post images, the
ability to segregate OT posts into a separate subforum etc. Of course someone
still has to manage and maintain a forum so it's not a simple option,
although some UK weather forums like UKWW, NetWeather etc already exist. If
there was more concerted support to migrate to one of these forums (or to
start a new one) then many here might take up the option. uk.sci.weather is
the only reason that I run a (primitive - it's not worth anything more)
newsreader and I'd personally welcome the opportunity to ditch that.


I've tried foums, both on meteorology and other subjects, but they're not for
me. I don't currently use any. Using a decent newsreader it's very easy to be
your own moderator and filter out unwanted stuff on USW. I see almost none of
the rubbish on here and USW is just as friendly and 'on topic' a place as it
has ever been. The recent thread on the EU referendum did slip through my
defences at first but it's now all filtered out. It's very easy to do.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org

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"Norman Lynagh" wrote in message ...

I've tried foums, both on meteorology and other subjects, but they're not
for me.

I do understand. But perhaps 95% or more of online communities are only
available as web forums and not as newsgroups. So for the great majority of
people forums are an everyday experience.

For anyone interested in AWS systems, for instance, then the forum at
wxforum.net is the #1 source of information and discussion worldwide. Using
a newsreader for uk.sci.weather feels pretty clunky and limited by
comparison. And the same applies to AWS software like Cumulus, Weather
Display etc etc, and so on for any other interest one may have.

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On 26/06/2016 19:51, Norman Lynagh wrote:
JohnD wrote:

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message ...

Wouldn't it be nice though if
someone could set up a parallel USW Group which was by invitation
only. Still unmoderated...
====================

Haven't we been round this loop many times before. AIUI it's still the case
that unmoderated newsgroups are automatically open to all and there's no
control possible over the 'membership'. Moderated groups are something
different of course, but then there obviously has to be a moderation panel, a
way of avoiding aliases for banned members etc.

To reiterate what has I think been said many times before, the only other
alternative is a web forum, where membership is more easily controlled. A
small handful of people here for some reason don't like forums, but I suspect
that the great majority here do use - probably multiple - forums every day
and enjoy the extra benefits on offer such as the ability to post images, the
ability to segregate OT posts into a separate subforum etc. Of course someone
still has to manage and maintain a forum so it's not a simple option,
although some UK weather forums like UKWW, NetWeather etc already exist. If
there was more concerted support to migrate to one of these forums (or to
start a new one) then many here might take up the option. uk.sci.weather is
the only reason that I run a (primitive - it's not worth anything more)
newsreader and I'd personally welcome the opportunity to ditch that.


I've tried foums, both on meteorology and other subjects, but they're not for
me. I don't currently use any. Using a decent newsreader it's very easy to be
your own moderator and filter out unwanted stuff on USW. I see almost none of
the rubbish on here and USW is just as friendly and 'on topic' a place as it
has ever been. The recent thread on the EU referendum did slip through my
defences at first but it's now all filtered out. It's very easy to do.


Agree with every thing that has been said. The filters on Thunderbird
mean that usw on the PC is weather only. On the 'phone and tablet it's
another matter as I've not worked out how to filter in google mail-but
I'm working on it). However it's easy to ignore certain posters whose
reputation goes before them.

Raining here. Bit late, but we had thunder early hours of Friday-an omen
perhaps?

--
George in Swanston, Edinburgh, 580'asl
www.swanstonweather.co.uk
www.eppingweather.co.uk
www.winter1947.co.uk

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On 26/06/2016 19:03, Norman Lynagh wrote:
JohnD wrote:

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message ...

Wouldn't it be nice though if
someone could set up a parallel USW Group which was by invitation
only. Still unmoderated...
====================

Haven't we been round this loop many times before. AIUI it's still the case
that unmoderated newsgroups are automatically open to all and there's no
control possible over the 'membership'. Moderated groups are something
different of course, but then there obviously has to be a moderation panel, a
way of avoiding aliases for banned members etc.

To reiterate what has I think been said many times before, the only other
alternative is a web forum, where membership is more easily controlled. A
small handful of people here for some reason don't like forums, but I suspect
that the great majority here do use - probably multiple - forums every day
and enjoy the extra benefits on offer such as the ability to post images, the
ability to segregate OT posts into a separate subforum etc. Of course someone
still has to manage and maintain a forum so it's not a simple option,
although some UK weather forums like UKWW, NetWeather etc already exist. If
there was more concerted support to migrate to one of these forums (or to
start a new one) then many here might take up the option. uk.sci.weather is
the only reason that I run a (primitive - it's not worth anything more)
newsreader and I'd personally welcome the opportunity to ditch that.

I've had a look at a number of forums, on meteorology and other subjects, and
they're not for me. I don't use any of them. As I have said many times before,
it's very easy to be your own moderator on USW provided you use a proper
newsreader. Much better than relying on a remote moderator whose priorities
might be rather different from your own. For me, USW is pretty well
rubbish-free and is just as friendly a place as it ever was. The start of the
EU referendum thread slipped through my defences a few days ago but I now have
all of that filtered out.

--------------------------------------------------
I agree with that as well and I have never, as far as I can recall,
started a political topic. I do have a slightly different view on why I
might reply to a "troll". I often think if there were Newsgroups in the
1930's would it be ok to killfile those promoting the extermination of
the Jews? Many probably would have and preferred to remain silent but
there are some levels of what are, for me, levels of unacceptability
that should not be allowed to go unquestioned wherever they are promoted.
Dave

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JohnD wrote:

"Norman Lynagh" wrote in message ...

I've tried foums, both on meteorology and other subjects, but they're not
for me.

I do understand. But perhaps 95% or more of online communities are only
available as web forums and not as newsgroups. So for the great majority of
people forums are an everyday experience.

For anyone interested in AWS systems, for instance, then the forum at
wxforum.net is the #1 source of information and discussion worldwide. Using a
newsreader for uk.sci.weather feels pretty clunky and limited by comparison.
And the same applies to AWS software like Cumulus, Weather Display etc etc,
and so on for any other interest one may have.

It's all down to personal preference, of course. I find forums very clunky and
time consuming. Perhaps useful if I am searching for information on a specific
topic but not for everyday casual browsing. I find USW much better for that.

By the way, apologies for sending two replies to your earlier post. I thought
my first reply hadn't gone because I didn't get it back. It was only after I
sent another reply that didn't come back that I realised my replies contained
terms that I had filtered out so my newsreader didn't download my own posts!

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org