Request for help: Photos of common UK flatland cloud types
 

I have been asked by a local National Trust establishment (Wicken Fen)
to find some pictures of typical UK cloud types and give a bit of a
description of them for an information sheet for
"families that actively learn and play together choosing what
they want to do and where the adults get as much out of the
visit as the children"

Internet pictures are generally too low resolution and compressed for
good quality printing, and all my full res shots of clouds have an
aircraft in the middle. Or the camera auto-focused 1 metre away :-/

Does any have or know of an archive of decent quality pictures that we
could use. I'm afraid there's no money in it and probably no credit
either, they never credited the ones I've given them in the past 10
years -- unless I do the artwork and sneak my name in somewhere
discretely.

If they were prepared to wait a few weeks I could take enough photos
myself but this needs to be printed for an event in early October, so we
cannot wait. Can anyone help please?

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Mike

Request for help: Photos of common UK flatland cloud types
 

Does any have or know of an archive of decent quality pictures
that we
could use. I'm afraid there's no money in it and probably no
credit
either, they never credited the ones I've given them in the
past 10
years -- unless I do the artwork and sneak my name in
somewhere
discretely.
I was mildly interested until I came to this paragraph.

No credit, no images.

If the NT is publishing images without even crediting the
photographer, they are infringing the photographer's copyright
and ought to be sued. A photographer is ****legally entitled****
to be recognised as the author of any photograph they have taken
unless they have specifically agreed to waive their ****legal
right**** to be credited.

Frankly, it's blooming cheek to scrounge images for free, and
not even acknowledge that people have donated their time and
good will. You can be very sure that I won't be making any
images available to the NT under those terms!

Anne

Request for help: Photos of common UK flatland cloud types
 

In message 20160902184241.0f75172e@amaterasu, Mike Causer
writes
Does any have or know of an archive of decent quality pictures that we
could use. I'm afraid there's no money in it and probably no credit
either, they never credited the ones I've given them in the past 10
years -- unless I do the artwork and sneak my name in somewhere
discretely.

If they were prepared to wait a few weeks I could take enough photos
myself but this needs to be printed for an event in early October, so
we cannot wait. Can anyone help please?

You could try Wikipedia. Any photos they have of cloud types as part of
their articles will be in the public domain.
--
John Hall
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin"
attributed to Sir Josiah Stamp,
a former director of the Bank of England

Request for help: Photos of common UK flatland cloud types
 

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 19:00:46 +0100
"Anne B" wrote:

Frankly, it's blooming cheek to scrounge images for free, and
not even acknowledge that people have donated their time and
good will. You can be very sure that I won't be making any
images available to the NT under those terms!

Yeah. That's why I warned everyone. I've given them over 1000 photos,
and about 500 specially drawn maps for internal use for projects I want
to help them with. Full disclosu they had to pay me for nearly half
of both because they were needed so quickly I could not do it as a
volunteer over a year or two but had to take no paying work until they
were done.

So far as I'm concerned their troops on the ground are the ones I want
to support, their management up to regional level are OK, above that I
have no experience.

Helping to educate kids about the clouds above their heads. Waddya
think?


Mike

Request for help: Photos of common UK flatland cloud types
 

John Hall writes:

In message 20160902184241.0f75172e@amaterasu, Mike Causer
writes
Does any have or know of an archive of decent quality pictures that
we could use. I'm afraid there's no money in it and probably no
credit either, they never credited the ones I've given them in the
past 10 years -- unless I do the artwork and sneak my name in
somewhere discretely.

If they were prepared to wait a few weeks I could take enough photos
myself but this needs to be printed for an event in early October,
so we cannot wait. Can anyone help please?

You could try Wikipedia. Any photos they have of cloud types as part
of their articles will be in the public domain.

Most images on Wikipedia will have a license that is more or less
permissive, but it will very often insist on attribution at the very
least. (I checked half a dozen at random and they all did.)

--
Ben.

Request for help: Photos of common UK flatland cloud types
 

So far as I'm concerned their troops on the ground are the
ones I want
to support, their management up to regional level are OK,
above that I
have no experience.

Helping to educate kids about the clouds above their heads.
Waddya
think?
Mike

I think that children also need to learn good manners, like
people getting an acknowledgment when they help them. By the
sound of it the NT staff also need to learn, not only good
manners, but also the law.

I'm not too bothered about getting paid (and I realise that
there are people out there trying to make a living by taking
photographs who are the real losers in this 'let's scrounge our
images for free' situation) but I insist on being recognised as
the author of any photographs I might provide, as I am antitled
to be ****by law****.

Like I said. No credit, no images.

Anne

Request for help: Photos of common UK flatland cloud types
 

On Friday, 2 September 2016 21:52:12 UTC+1, Mike Causer wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 19:00:46 +0100
"Anne B" wrote:

Frankly, it's blooming cheek to scrounge images for free, and
not even acknowledge that people have donated their time and
good will. You can be very sure that I won't be making any
images available to the NT under those terms!

Yeah. That's why I warned everyone. I've given them over 1000 photos,
and about 500 specially drawn maps for internal use for projects I want
to help them with. Full disclosu they had to pay me for nearly half
of both because they were needed so quickly I could not do it as a
volunteer over a year or two but had to take no paying work until they
were done.

So far as I'm concerned their troops on the ground are the ones I want
to support, their management up to regional level are OK, above that I
have no experience.

Helping to educate kids about the clouds above their heads. Waddya
think?

I had a knock on the door several months ago by a polite young man with his heart on his sleeve trying to get me to sign up for a charity to get a few quid from my account every month. I tried to fob him off with a couple of quid form my loose change jar but he politely refused. I like to think we parted with no hard feelings.

We then got into a discussion of upper management and some ripe language ensued. I saw him servral weeks later, sleeping in a car park one Sunday morning. As Sunday is a traditionally Christian festival I managed at last to give him some loose change.

Isn't there a link to something suitable on the FAQs?

Request for help: Photos of common UK flatland cloud types
 

Mandy Liefbowitz writes:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 22:03:25 +0100, Ben Bacarisse
wrote:

John Hall writes:

In message 20160902184241.0f75172e@amaterasu, Mike Causer
writes
Does any have or know of an archive of decent quality pictures that
we could use. I'm afraid there's no money in it and probably no
credit either, they never credited the ones I've given them in the
past 10 years -- unless I do the artwork and sneak my name in
somewhere discretely.

If they were prepared to wait a few weeks I could take enough photos
myself but this needs to be printed for an event in early October,
so we cannot wait. Can anyone help please?

You could try Wikipedia. Any photos they have of cloud types as part
of their articles will be in the public domain.

Most images on Wikipedia will have a license that is more or less
permissive, but it will very often insist on attribution at the very
least. (I checked half a dozen at random and they all did.)

They also insist on *non-commercial* use only.

Not the ones I saw. I looked at the first six cloud pictures I could
find and they all used CC BY-SA (five used version 4.0 and one used
version 3.0).

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en

And, digging a bit more, it looks like Wikipedia uses this license (and
the earlier v3.0) almost universally across the site.

snip
--
Ben.