Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it does. Ignoring most of the changes for the moment, like the font size, replacing symbols with a line, having to scroll so much more etc. Click on a day and you get a little summary

So, everyday in Cornwall, which is a breezy spot, it tells you the trees will blow. Particularly useful bit of information considering the fairly large areas of N & W Cornwall where it's too windy for trees. But positively ludicrous when next Thursday, when the mean wind speed ranges from 7 - 14mph gusting to around 20mph, it says "Gusts will be strong enough to make small trees sway, but shouldn't blow you over"

I mean FFS, what's going on. 5780 out of the last 9911 days have seen the wind speed exceeding 20mph in sheltered Penzance, so on that basis the majority of days each year will justify a blowing risk assessment. I think the MetO site should carry a blood pressure warning.

Lovely north coast surf again

Graham
Penzance

In message ,
Graham Easterling writes
But positively ludicrous when next Thursday, when the mean wind speed
ranges from 7 - 14mph gusting to around 20mph, it says "Gusts will be
strong enough to make small trees sway, but shouldn't blow you over"

It looks like it's a standard piece of text used whenever the strength
of gusts is forecast to be between some upper and lower limit, and is
independent of the location. That's because yesterday afternoon's
forecast for today's weather in Cranleigh used exactly the same text. It
seems ridiculous that there is felt to be a need to mention that the
wind won't blow you over. Gusts capable of doing that are perhaps a once
in ten years event here. If the forecast had been for rain, they might
as well say that it wouldn't be heavy enough that I should start
building an ark.
--
John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history
that man can never learn anything from history."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 10:36:39 AM UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Graham Easterling writes
But positively ludicrous when next Thursday, when the mean wind speed
ranges from 7 - 14mph gusting to around 20mph, it says "Gusts will be
strong enough to make small trees sway, but shouldn't blow you over"

It looks like it's a standard piece of text used whenever the strength
of gusts is forecast to be between some upper and lower limit, and is
independent of the location. That's because yesterday afternoon's
forecast for today's weather in Cranleigh used exactly the same text. It
seems ridiculous that there is felt to be a need to mention that the
wind won't blow you over. Gusts capable of doing that are perhaps a once
in ten years event here. If the forecast had been for rain, they might
as well say that it wouldn't be heavy enough that I should start
building an ark.
--
John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history
that man can never learn anything from history."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

I think you're right about the standard text.

We're a bit further up the MetO Tree Wind scale today http://www.landsendweather.info/ , though being blown over doesn't get a mention, but large branches do. Mind you, there are no trees near Lands End - just a few stunted bushes.

Who needs Beaufort when we've got gale force gusts & moving branches.

Graham
Penzance

On 20/02/2019 11:54, Graham Easterling wrote:
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 10:36:39 AM UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Graham Easterling writes
But positively ludicrous when next Thursday, when the mean wind speed
ranges from 7 - 14mph gusting to around 20mph, it says "Gusts will be
strong enough to make small trees sway, but shouldn't blow you over"

It looks like it's a standard piece of text used whenever the strength
of gusts is forecast to be between some upper and lower limit, and is
independent of the location. That's because yesterday afternoon's
forecast for today's weather in Cranleigh used exactly the same text. It
seems ridiculous that there is felt to be a need to mention that the
wind won't blow you over. Gusts capable of doing that are perhaps a once
in ten years event here. If the forecast had been for rain, they might
as well say that it wouldn't be heavy enough that I should start
building an ark.
--
John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history
that man can never learn anything from history."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

I think you're right about the standard text.

We're a bit further up the MetO Tree Wind scale today http://www.landsendweather.info/ , though being blown over doesn't get a mention, but large branches do. Mind you, there are no trees near Lands End - just a few stunted bushes.

Who needs Beaufort when we've got gale force gusts & moving branches.

Graham
Penzance

I totally agree, it's awful. I've submitted feedback saying this. I've
answered their question about how to improve it by telling them to
revert to the previous one. I trust you have done similar.

Metman2012 wrote:

On 20/02/2019 11:54, Graham Easterling wrote:
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 10:36:39 AM UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message
,
Graham Easterling writes
But positively ludicrous when next Thursday, when the mean wind
speed ranges from 7 - 14mph gusting to around 20mph, it says
"Gusts will be strong enough to make small trees sway, but
shouldn't blow you over"

It looks like it's a standard piece of text used whenever the
strength of gusts is forecast to be between some upper and lower
limit, and is independent of the location. That's because
yesterday afternoon's forecast for today's weather in Cranleigh
used exactly the same text. It seems ridiculous that there is
felt to be a need to mention that the wind won't blow you over.
Gusts capable of doing that are perhaps a once in ten years event
here. If the forecast had been for rain, they might as well say
that it wouldn't be heavy enough that I should start building an
ark. -- John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from
history that man can never learn anything from
history." George
Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

I think you're right about the standard text.

We're a bit further up the MetO Tree Wind scale today
http://www.landsendweather.info/ , though being blown over doesn't
get a mention, but large branches do. Mind you, there are no trees
near Lands End - just a few stunted bushes.

Who needs Beaufort when we've got gale force gusts & moving
branches.

Graham
Penzance

I totally agree, it's awful. I've submitted feedback saying this.
I've answered their question about how to improve it by telling them
to revert to the previous one. I trust you have done similar.

The one for Tideswell currently tells me that "umbrellas may become
difficult to use this evening" yet the rain is forecast to cease before
1800.

I agree that the new format is appalling. I thought maybe it was just
me but it seems not! I have also suggested that they revert to the old
version.

The warnings page looks like it has been "updated". It'll be
interesting to see what the warnings look like when we next get some
severe weather.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
twitter: @TideswellWeathr

On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 10:03:49 AM UTC, Graham Easterling wrote:
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it does. Ignoring most of the changes for the moment, like the font size, replacing symbols with a line, having to scroll so much more etc. Click on a day and you get a little summary

So, everyday in Cornwall, which is a breezy spot, it tells you the trees will blow. Particularly useful bit of information considering the fairly large areas of N & W Cornwall where it's too windy for trees. But positively ludicrous when next Thursday, when the mean wind speed ranges from 7 - 14mph gusting to around 20mph, it says "Gusts will be strong enough to make small trees sway, but shouldn't blow you over"

I mean FFS, what's going on. 5780 out of the last 9911 days have seen the wind speed exceeding 20mph in sheltered Penzance, so on that basis the majority of days each year will justify a blowing risk assessment. I think the MetO site should carry a blood pressure warning.

Lovely north coast surf again

Graham
Penzance

Norman Lynagh wrote:

Metman2012 wrote:

On 20/02/2019 11:54, Graham Easterling wrote:
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 10:36:39 AM UTC, John Hall
wrote:
In message
,
Graham Easterling writes
But positively ludicrous when next Thursday, when the mean
wind speed ranges from 7 - 14mph gusting to around 20mph, it
says "Gusts will be strong enough to make small trees sway,
but shouldn't blow you over"

It looks like it's a standard piece of text used whenever the
strength of gusts is forecast to be between some upper and lower
limit, and is independent of the location. That's because
yesterday afternoon's forecast for today's weather in Cranleigh
used exactly the same text. It seems ridiculous that there is
felt to be a need to mention that the wind won't blow you over.
Gusts capable of doing that are perhaps a once in ten years
event here. If the forecast had been for rain, they might as
well say that it wouldn't be heavy enough that I should start
building an ark. -- John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from
history that man can never learn anything from
history." George
Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

I think you're right about the standard text.

We're a bit further up the MetO Tree Wind scale today
http://www.landsendweather.info/ , though being blown over doesn't
get a mention, but large branches do. Mind you, there are no trees
near Lands End - just a few stunted bushes.

Who needs Beaufort when we've got gale force gusts & moving
branches.

Graham
Penzance

I totally agree, it's awful. I've submitted feedback saying this.
I've answered their question about how to improve it by telling them
to revert to the previous one. I trust you have done similar.

The one for Tideswell currently tells me that "umbrellas may become
difficult to use this evening" yet the rain is forecast to cease
before 1800.

I agree that the new format is appalling. I thought maybe it was just
me but it seems not! I have also suggested that they revert to the old
version.

The warnings page looks like it has been "updated". It'll be
interesting to see what the warnings look like when we next get some
severe weather.

I see they've already got rid of the crap about trees swaying and
umbrellas being difficult to use.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
twitter: @TideswellWeathr

and from the 'What does this forecast mean' page

Quote
Wind direction and speed

Wind direction illustrates the direction in which the wind is blowing
to. This is signified in the forecast table by an arrow and compass
directions, such as SSW (south southwest), NW (north west) and E (east).
Wind speed refers to the average speed over a given period.

Unquote



Norman Lynagh wrote:

Metman2012 wrote:

On 20/02/2019 11:54, Graham Easterling wrote:
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 10:36:39 AM UTC, John Hall
wrote:
In message
,
Graham Easterling writes
But positively ludicrous when next Thursday, when the mean
wind speed ranges from 7 - 14mph gusting to around 20mph, it
says "Gusts will be strong enough to make small trees sway,
but shouldn't blow you over"

It looks like it's a standard piece of text used whenever the
strength of gusts is forecast to be between some upper and lower
limit, and is independent of the location. That's because
yesterday afternoon's forecast for today's weather in Cranleigh
used exactly the same text. It seems ridiculous that there is
felt to be a need to mention that the wind won't blow you over.
Gusts capable of doing that are perhaps a once in ten years
event here. If the forecast had been for rain, they might as


I agree that the new format is appalling. I thought maybe it was just
me but it seems not! I have also suggested that they revert to the old
version.

The warnings page looks like it has been "updated". It'll be
interesting to see what the warnings look like when we next get some
severe weather.

I see they've already got rid of the crap about trees swaying and
umbrellas being difficult to use.

I see they've already got rid of the crap about trees swaying and
umbrellas being difficult to use.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
twitter: @TideswellWeathr

Not here, the trees get a mention every day. Perhaps the forecast is sponsored by The Woodland Trust?

I have also passed on my thoughts to the MetO.

Graham
Penzance

On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 02:03:48 -0800 (PST)
Graham Easterling wrote:

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it does. Ignoring
most of the changes for the moment, like the font size, replacing
symbols with a line, having to scroll so much more etc. Click on a
day and you get a little summary

So, everyday in Cornwall, which is a breezy spot, it tells you the
trees will blow. Particularly useful bit of information considering
the fairly large areas of N & W Cornwall where it's too windy for
trees. But positively ludicrous when next Thursday, when the mean
wind speed ranges from 7 - 14mph gusting to around 20mph, it says
"Gusts will be strong enough to make small trees sway, but shouldn't
blow you over"

I mean FFS, what's going on. 5780 out of the last 9911 days have seen
the wind speed exceeding 20mph in sheltered Penzance, so on that
basis the majority of days each year will justify a blowing risk
assessment. I think the MetO site should carry a blood pressure
warning.



I agree, it is dreadful.


So we know what we don't like, can anyone recommend a better source of
ready made UK weather forecasts?