BACK AND FORTH THIS WEEK, THEN MAJOR TROUGH DEVELOPS FARTHER WEST NEXT WEEK.
ARCTIC ATTACK POSSIBLE WEEK OF 11TH FOR MUCH OF EUROPE.
The upcoming week will feature a flattening of the mean trough and ridge
positions, but it is merely an in between time before the trough cranks up
stronger than all winter in the means for next week, with the prospect that
the cherries are lined up like the slots at Monte Carlo. Cold in western
Europe, eastern and central North America and eastern Asia, the big three
temperate region fuel consuming areas the middle and latter part of the week
of the 11th.

My concern is that if we are mimicking summer, then the mean trough has been
pulling back the same way the ridge did during summer. Now though, the
elusive butterfly of blocking may develop upstream from the North American
trough next week (week of 11th) rather than upstream from the trough in
Europe. This mean air mass could be delivered with a high coming south from
over the the pole and midway between Scandinavia and Greenland, rather than
the normal developing north Atlantic high coming from south of Greenland
(maritime) with it coming at the coldest time of the year. Such an event
would have an ironic balance with the summer.

For this week, though, the pulse east of the ridge (one step forward, two
steps back) means much of the continent is milder by way of a fast west flow
that tries to develop between the trough over the northern part of the
continent and the ridge trying to stick its nose in east.

An interesting side note is a temperature report out of Siberia of their
coldest temperature ever (not for the whole place, but for the city in
question) at -72F.

Such a temperature is the kind of thing where dogs wind up stuck to fire
hydrants.

Ciao for now

Interesting addition today...

snip
There is some sentiment in the office to the extreme event temperature
wise down the road, but that is something that I can only allude to
now.
snip

Keith (Southend)

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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:32:37 -0000, "Weatherman"
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BACK AND FORTH THIS WEEK, THEN MAJOR TROUGH DEVELOPS FARTHER WEST NEXT WEEK.
ARCTIC ATTACK POSSIBLE WEEK OF 11TH FOR MUCH OF EUROPE.
The upcoming week will feature a flattening of the mean trough and ridge
positions, but it is merely an in between time before the trough cranks up
stronger than all winter in the means for next week, with the prospect that
the cherries are lined up like the slots at Monte Carlo. Cold in western
Europe, eastern and central North America and eastern Asia, the big three
temperate region fuel consuming areas the middle and latter part of the week
of the 11th.

My concern is that if we are mimicking summer, then the mean trough has been
pulling back the same way the ridge did during summer. Now though, the
elusive butterfly of blocking may develop upstream from the North American
trough next week (week of 11th) rather than upstream from the trough in
Europe. This mean air mass could be delivered with a high coming south from
over the the pole and midway between Scandinavia and Greenland, rather than
the normal developing north Atlantic high coming from south of Greenland
(maritime) with it coming at the coldest time of the year. Such an event
would have an ironic balance with the summer.

For this week, though, the pulse east of the ridge (one step forward, two
steps back) means much of the continent is milder by way of a fast west flow
that tries to develop between the trough over the northern part of the
continent and the ridge trying to stick its nose in east.

An interesting side note is a temperature report out of Siberia of their
coldest temperature ever (not for the whole place, but for the city in
question) at -72F.

Such a temperature is the kind of thing where dogs wind up stuck to fire
hydrants.

Ciao for now

Keith.
I have been reading Joe's column now for some months and once you get used
to his jargon it really makes quite interesting reading. I really do hope
that he is right in what he is saying as I am sceptical about global
warming, and I would love to hear what the GW enthusiasts can come up with
if this severe cold spell really happens.
Although I was not around in 1947, that winter didn't really start until
quite late in January with exceptionally mild temperatures preceeding the
icy blast.
It appears to me and perhaps some others that the GW enthusiasts think they
are onto a winner if it fails to snow in December.
We all know it can happen as late as March and quite often does.
I still fail to see what people enjoy about a mild british winter with all
the rain and gloom, but I could understand it if it was sunny.

Best regards. Len.
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Interesting addition today...

snip
There is some sentiment in the office to the extreme event temperature
wise down the road, but that is something that I can only allude to
now.
snip

Keith (Southend)

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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:32:37 -0000, "Weatherman"
wrote:

BACK AND FORTH THIS WEEK, THEN MAJOR TROUGH DEVELOPS FARTHER WEST NEXT
WEEK.
ARCTIC ATTACK POSSIBLE WEEK OF 11TH FOR MUCH OF EUROPE.
The upcoming week will feature a flattening of the mean trough and ridge
positions, but it is merely an in between time before the trough cranks
up
stronger than all winter in the means for next week, with the prospect
that
the cherries are lined up like the slots at Monte Carlo. Cold in western
Europe, eastern and central North America and eastern Asia, the big three
temperate region fuel consuming areas the middle and latter part of the
week
of the 11th.

My concern is that if we are mimicking summer, then the mean trough has
been
pulling back the same way the ridge did during summer. Now though, the
elusive butterfly of blocking may develop upstream from the North
American
trough next week (week of 11th) rather than upstream from the trough in
Europe. This mean air mass could be delivered with a high coming south
from
over the the pole and midway between Scandinavia and Greenland, rather
than
the normal developing north Atlantic high coming from south of Greenland
(maritime) with it coming at the coldest time of the year. Such an event
would have an ironic balance with the summer.

For this week, though, the pulse east of the ridge (one step forward, two
steps back) means much of the continent is milder by way of a fast west
flow
that tries to develop between the trough over the northern part of the
continent and the ridge trying to stick its nose in east.

An interesting side note is a temperature report out of Siberia of their
coldest temperature ever (not for the whole place, but for the city in
question) at -72F.

Such a temperature is the kind of thing where dogs wind up stuck to fire
hydrants.

Ciao for now

In article ,
"Keith (Southend)" writes:
Interesting addition today...

snip
There is some sentiment in the office to the extreme event temperature
wise down the road, but that is something that I can only allude to
now.
snip

Any idea what that might mean if translated into English?
--
John Hall
"It is a very sad thing that nowadays there is so little useless
information."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

John.
Putting it bluntly, I would say its a possible arse covering statement.
Regards. Len.
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"Keith (Southend)" writes:
Interesting addition today...

snip
There is some sentiment in the office to the extreme event temperature
wise down the road, but that is something that I can only allude to
now.
snip

Any idea what that might mean if translated into English?
--
John Hall
"It is a very sad thing that nowadays there is so little
useless
information."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

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Keith.
I have been reading Joe's column now for some months and once you get used
to his jargon it really makes quite interesting reading. I really do hope
that he is right in what he is saying as I am sceptical about global
warming, and I would love to hear what the GW enthusiasts can come up with
if this severe cold spell really happens.
Although I was not around in 1947, that winter didn't really start until
quite late in January with exceptionally mild temperatures preceeding the
icy blast.
It appears to me and perhaps some others that the GW enthusiasts think they
are onto a winner if it fails to snow in December.
We all know it can happen as late as March and quite often does.
I still fail to see what people enjoy about a mild british winter with all
the rain and gloom, but I could understand it if it was sunny.

Best regards. Len.

What exactly is there about extreme cold which turns you on? Do you
even know?

I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short
while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for it
to relent..

Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day.

--
Bill

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I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short
while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for it
to relent..

Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day.

I'm with you on this. Water runs away of its own accord, I have to shift the
snow in person or we cannot get to the main road
Cold is just so much more extra work
Jim Webster

--
Bill

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"Bill" wrote in message
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I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short
while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for it
to relent..

Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day.

I'm with you on this. Water runs away of its own accord, I have to shift
the
snow in person or we cannot get to the main road
Cold is just so much more extra work
Jim Webster

I suspect the same would apply to many if not all the cold weather lovers in
this group if one of these type of winters did occur again. Although I much
prefer some cold, frost & snow to the present weather, it did get very
trying during the 1995/96 winter in Scotland (near East Kilbride). I don't
know whether temperatures of -20C or so (between Christmas 1995 and New
Year) are any more or less pleasant than +35C or above in summer. The
repeated heavy (to a level almost certainly unknown in the populated parts
of the SE away from the Downs or Chilterns) snowfalls of that winter through
Jan/Feb 1996 also lost their novelty when the drive had to be cleared each
time, sometimes 3 times in a day!

Reading George Booths excellent summary reports of 1947 in England, it looks
that in the South of England, that may, on the whole have been less severe
than the above winter in the aforementioned part of Scotland.

I suspect it is precisely because of its rarity why so many of us in here
long for it so much.

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I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short
while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for
it
to relent..

Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day.

I'm with you on this. Water runs away of its own accord, I have to shift
the
snow in person or we cannot get to the main road
Cold is just so much more extra work
Jim Webster

I suspect the same would apply to many if not all the cold weather lovers
in
this group if one of these type of winters did occur again. Although I
much
prefer some cold, frost & snow to the present weather, it did get very
trying during the 1995/96 winter in Scotland (near East Kilbride). I don't
know whether temperatures of -20C or so (between Christmas 1995 and New
Year) are any more or less pleasant than +35C or above in summer. The
repeated heavy (to a level almost certainly unknown in the populated parts
of the SE away from the Downs or Chilterns) snowfalls of that winter
through
Jan/Feb 1996 also lost their novelty when the drive had to be cleared each
time, sometimes 3 times in a day!

Reading George Booths excellent summary reports of 1947 in England, it
looks
that in the South of England, that may, on the whole have been less severe
than the above winter in the aforementioned part of Scotland.


even in this part of south cumbria, two miles from the sea in three
directions, my parents remember 47 because the roads were closed to traffic
for several weeks

63 I remember myself. My father nearly killing himself working all hours to
carry water from a stand pipe to cattle, for (from memory) six weeks.

no, real life just gets too difficult when it gets cold like that, you have
to do everything you normally do, plus all the extra work that comes your
way to cope with the weather

The usual couple of wet weeks followed by couple of sort of dry weeks with
perhaps even the occassional day below freezing is fine by me

Jim Webster

Bill your right in what you say about the cold, but a change is as good as a
rest.

"Bill" wrote in message
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writes
Keith.
I have been reading Joe's column now for some months and once you get
used
to his jargon it really makes quite interesting reading. I really do hope
that he is right in what he is saying as I am sceptical about global
warming, and I would love to hear what the GW enthusiasts can come up
with
if this severe cold spell really happens.
Although I was not around in 1947, that winter didn't really start until
quite late in January with exceptionally mild temperatures preceeding the
icy blast.
It appears to me and perhaps some others that the GW enthusiasts think
they
are onto a winner if it fails to snow in December.
We all know it can happen as late as March and quite often does.
I still fail to see what people enjoy about a mild british winter with
all
the rain and gloom, but I could understand it if it was sunny.

Best regards. Len.

What exactly is there about extreme cold which turns you on? Do you
even know?

I wasn't around in '47 but I was a kid during '63 and after a short
while snow and hard cold becomes very tedious and you really wish for it
to relent..

Give me "mild, mild, mild" any day.

--
Bill