16 days into the month, any idea of the CET for the month to-date. It must
be well above average (~2C above average)

Mulzy
Ipswich

"Mulzy" wrote in message
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16 days into the month, any idea of the CET for the month to-date. It
must
be well above average (~2C above average)

Mulzy
Ipswich


Although the value not shown as such, this graph shows we are running
well above average ... by at least a couple of degrees C.

http://www.metoffice.com/research/ha..._act_graph.gif

Martin.

"Mulzy" wrote in message
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16 days into the month, any idea of the CET for the month to-date. It
must
be well above average (~2C above average)

Depends which average you want to use :-)

The CET is running at 5.9ºC (as of this afternoon - the 16th). That is:
2.7 degC above the 1659-2000 mean
2.6 degC above the 1941-70 mean
2.3 degC above the 1951-80 mean
2.1 degC above the 1961-90 mean
1.7 degC above the 1971-2000 mean, and
1.0 degC above the 1988-2000 mean

It might even be
0.2 degC below the 1991-2020 mean, but
on the other hand it might not.

Philip Eden

Can we trust records from 1659 !! - what thermometer were they using ! were
they calibrated !

Just a thought
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Paul Crabtree writes:

Can we trust records from 1659 !! - what thermometer were they using ! were
they calibrated !

Just a thought

Professor Gordon Manley spent many years researching these early
records, and he calibrated them so meticulously that I'd sooner rely on
them than on some current ones.
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"If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts;
but if he will be content to begin with doubts,
he shall end in certainties." Francis Bacon (1561-1626)

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Can we trust records from 1659 !! - what thermometer were they using ! were
they calibrated !


I always thought that the early years of the CET were determined
far more from inferences from diaries and agricultural records than
from actual readings.

Col
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Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
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I always thought that the early years of the CET were determined
far more from inferences from diaries and agricultural records than
from actual readings.

I don't think that you can get enough precision from that. (Though IIRC
the earliest mean monthly CETs are only given to the nearest 0.5C rather
than the nearest 0.1C.) IIRC, the very earliest years rely on
thermometers in only two locations, though.

One big problem is that in the early years thermometers were often hung
indoors in an unheated room rather than outdoors, perhaps because they
were valuable items. Presumably such records would not be usable.
--
John Hall
"If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts;
but if he will be content to begin with doubts,
he shall end in certainties." Francis Bacon (1561-1626)

"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
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Although the value not shown as such, this graph shows we are running
well above average ... by at least a couple of degrees C.


I'm rather surprised to hear that we are running a couple of degrees
above average.

Here my average max so far is 6.0C and min 2.6C.
OK, the min seems a little high and last night was my first air frost
of the month but the whole feel of January so far is very average.

There hasn't been any prolonged very mild weather, indeed I haven't
even reached double figures the highest has been 9.9C.

Col
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Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk

"Col" wrote in message
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"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
...

Although the value not shown as such, this graph shows we are
running
well above average ... by at least a couple of degrees C.


I'm rather surprised to hear that we are running a couple of degrees
above average.

Here my average max so far is 6.0C and min 2.6C.
OK, the min seems a little high and last night was my first air frost
of the month but the whole feel of January so far is very average.

There hasn't been any prolonged very mild weather, indeed I haven't
even reached double figures the highest has been 9.9C.

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk


.... the CET is biased towards the Midlands/ N & W Home Counties of
England, so not necessarily applicable to you as to *actual* anomaly,
though I would imagine that given the values you quote above, particular
the minimum, that you will be somewhere at least 1 degC above. Down here
in the 'soft' south, I am running an anomaly (against the whole-month
average) of +1.8degC, having been up as high as +2.3degC a few days ago.

Martin.
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Martin Rowley wrote in message ...

"Col" wrote in message
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"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
...

Although the value not shown as such, this graph shows we are
running
well above average ... by at least a couple of degrees C.


I'm rather surprised to hear that we are running a couple of degrees
above average.

Here my average max so far is 6.0C and min 2.6C.
OK, the min seems a little high and last night was my first air frost
of the month but the whole feel of January so far is very average.

There hasn't been any prolonged very mild weather, indeed I haven't
even reached double figures the highest has been 9.9C.

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk


... the CET is biased towards the Midlands/ N & W Home Counties of
England, so not necessarily applicable to you as to *actual* anomaly,
though I would imagine that given the values you quote above, particular
the minimum, that you will be somewhere at least 1 degC above. Down here
in the 'soft' south, I am running an anomaly (against the whole-month
average) of +1.8degC, having been up as high as +2.3degC a few days ago.


He he just watch that baby fall down when that easterly roars in :-)

Will.
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