On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:00:55 -0000, "Tom"
wrote:

Rob always creeps out the woodwork when snow's around.

He was hurrying through the forecast to get the last bit in. Fantastic!

The opposite of Francis "laid back" Wilson this evening "There's a bit
of speculation about how it may turn colder next week and here's my
idea of how it may look in the middle of the week" [cue summary chart
of snow showers in the N, E & W with "freezing sunshine" in the South]

--
Dave

You could sense that he really enjoyed doing the 10.35pm BBC1 forecast
tonight,
quite a dramatic performance, I thought, with much of the bulletin devoted
to
explaining the predicted cold weather and potential snow...

Martin


Don't we just love Rob McElwee, "then there could be snow", his final
words on the forecast. Go on Rob, hype it up.

Joe

Tom wrote:
Some more media hype to ponder on:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...977675,00.html
and
http://www.ananova.com/weather/story/sm_858221.html

Tom
Danbury, Essex (107m)



2 pages in the Mail today, quoting lows of -8 in Scotland..

Hohum. We'll wait & see.

G.

--
Graham Platt UKRA #1264 L2 RSO
graham (a) bowhunter (d) demon (d) co (d) uk

"Graham" wrote in message
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Tom wrote:
Some more media hype to ponder on:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...977675,00.html
and
http://www.ananova.com/weather/story/sm_858221.html

Tom
Danbury, Essex (107m)



2 pages in the Mail today, quoting lows of -8 in Scotland..


The local news has just quoted -10 to -12C for this region next
week. Quite possible but it would be a pretty unusual spell of
weather to give those kinds of values.

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:20:32 GMT, (max) wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:01:41 -0000, "Tom"
wrote:

Ignore the media - they're more inaccurate in their everyday
non-weather reports than the met office are in their weather
forecasts!


The Grauniadh was at it today... Spouting crap about the cold weather
in Canada coming our way sigh

Richard Webb

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:01:59 -0000, Col wrote in


2 pages in the Mail today, quoting lows of -8 in Scotland..


The local news has just quoted -10 to -12C for this region next
week. Quite possible but it would be a pretty unusual spell of
weather to give those kinds of values.

So much will depend on whether there is a snow cover or not. Those figures
would be most unlikely over bare ground, but given the insulating effect of
a layer of snow are entirely possible.

--
Mike 55.13°N 6.69°W Coleraine posted to uk.sci.weather 23/01/2004 16:10:39 UTC
Temp 7.9C post cold front - pressure 1005 now rising

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:01:59 -0000, "Col"
wrote:


The local news has just quoted -10 to -12C for this region next
week. Quite possible but it would be a pretty unusual spell of
weather to give those kinds of values.

Remember though that the media these days just loves to quote those
blasted wind chill values as if they were 'actual' temps,
unfortunately they rarely mention that they are wind chill figures, or
if they do then it's rapidly skipped over (ie hype over fact).

Typical of the media in ALL of its reports these days I'm sorry to
say. Just imagine how many facts they get wrong when covering other
more important events! Doesn't bear thinking about.

"max" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:01:59 -0000, "Col"
wrote:


The local news has just quoted -10 to -12C for this region next
week. Quite possible but it would be a pretty unusual spell of
weather to give those kinds of values.

Remember though that the media these days just loves to quote those
blasted wind chill values as if they were 'actual' temps,
unfortunately they rarely mention that they are wind chill figures, or
if they do then it's rapidly skipped over (ie hype over fact).


They were mentioned a couple of sentences after talking about wind-chill
so I did wonder for a moment if this is what they meant, but I did come
to the conclusion it was 'real' temperatures they were talking about.

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:38:53 -0000, "Col"
wrote:


They were mentioned a couple of sentences after talking about wind-chill
so I did wonder for a moment if this is what they meant, but I did come
to the conclusion it was 'real' temperatures they were talking about.

Typical poor reporting from the cack but all powerful media.

"Mike Tullett" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:01:59 -0000, Col wrote in


2 pages in the Mail today, quoting lows of -8 in Scotland..


The local news has just quoted -10 to -12C for this region next
week. Quite possible but it would be a pretty unusual spell of
weather to give those kinds of values.

So much will depend on whether there is a snow cover or not. Those
figures
would be most unlikely over bare ground, but given the insulating effect
of
a layer of snow are entirely possible.

There was an article in 'Weather' in the mid-80s (I think) on the
factors required to produce very low minima in the UK
by Roach and Brownscombe. One of their conclusions was
that widespread lows below minus 10 almost always require
a snow-cover, preferably fresh and reasonably deep. It was
a rather patronising article, I remember thinking, and I trawled
the MWR and DWR for every occasion since 1945 when
a temperature of -10 or below was recorded with a less than
50% snow cover; I drafted a sarcastic Letter to the Editor, but
(probably wisely) never sent it. I think I found about 20 examples
in 40 years, but only 3 or 4 of these could reasonably have been
described as "widespread", and many of the others were
isolated observations at well-known frost-prone sites.

Philip Eden