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WMO announcement on global warming and extreme weather
"Elena" wrote in message
om... I read The Independent Online: "In a startling report, the WMO, which normally produces detailed scientific reports and staid statistics at the year's end, highlighted record extremes in weather and climate occurring all over the world in recent weeks - and linked them to climate change. The unprecedented warning snip from an impeccably respected UN organisation snip. The unstable world of climate change has long been a prediction. Now, the WMO says, it is a reality.snip The whole story: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=421166 Opinions ? Hi Elena, I have waited to reply to your post because I wanted to prove that there would be little interest from this group in a very important announcement. One of the reasons little action has been taken to counter global warming is that meteorologists have remained uninterested in the problem, and this gives entirely the wrong message to the general public. One reason we in Britain are not concerned is because until now the effects have not been marked. I suspect that in Finland the weather is extremely warm for the time of year, and that was one reason for your interest in the Independent report. The actual press release from the WMO can be seen at; http://www.wmo.ch/web/Press/Press695.doc I begins; ---------------- ACCORDING TO THE WORLD METEOROLOGICAL ORGANIZATION, EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS MIGHT INCREASE Geneva, 2 July 2003 - Record extremes in weather and climate events continue to occur around the world. Recent scientific assessments indicate that, as the global temperatures continue to warm due to climate change, the number and intensity of extreme events might increase, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) states in a press release issued today. In June, record high temperatures were recorded across southern France, with maximum temperatures exceeding 40°C in parts of southwest France. This resulted in June average temperatures of 5 to 7°C above the long-term average. In Switzerland, the month of June was the hottest in at least the past 250 years, according to environmental historians. In Geneva, since 29 May, maximum daytime temperatures did not drop below 25°C, making June the hottest June on record for the city. --------------- The thing to note is that the WMO is based in Geneva. Switzerland had its hottest month for 250 years. It is only when the meteorologist at the WMO suffer from global warming that they take any notice. The reason the world is taking no action is that the east coast of North America, where the centre of political power resides, has not yet suffered these record tempratures, and when they do they will be able to turn up the air conditioning. The problem, as I see it, is that it is now too late to avoid disaster. When the glaciers and ice caps melt, the change in albedo will amplify the warming from the carbon dioxide. Since they are melting now, even if we held CO2 at today's levels the ice would continue to melt. The current high temperatures, flooding, and droughts are only a taster of what is to come, but this realistic view is regarded as nonsense by pundits and public alike! Cheers, Alastair. |
WMO announcement on global warming and extreme weather
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k writes "Elena" wrote in message . com... I read The Independent Online: "In a startling report, the WMO, which normally produces detailed scientific reports and staid statistics at the year's end, highlighted record extremes in weather and climate occurring all over the world in recent weeks - and linked them to climate change. The unprecedented warning snip from an impeccably respected UN organisation snip. The unstable world of climate change has long been a prediction. Now, the WMO says, it is a reality.snip The whole story: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=421166 Opinions ? Hi Elena, I have waited to reply to your post because I wanted to prove that there would be little interest from this group in a very important announcement. One of the reasons little action has been taken to counter global warming is that meteorologists have remained uninterested in the problem, and this gives entirely the wrong message to the general public. One reason we in Britain are not concerned is because until now the effects have not been marked. I suspect that in Finland the weather is extremely warm for the time of year, and that was one reason for your interest in the Independent report. I can't understand why you think meteorologists are not interested in the global warming discussion. It is one of the hot topics in the profession these days and has been for some considerable time. The interest, of course is in the science, not the politics. Perhaps it is the politicians who are uninterested. One point - It's important always to bear in mind that the relevant topic is "global" warming, not unusual warmth in very localised areas. The fact that parts (most?) of the British Isles have had an unusually warm June proves nothing. Similarly, extremely warm conditions in Finland proves nothing. Not so far away, Moscow had its coldest June this year since 1941 but that doesn't prove global cooling :) As has been reported in the past few days in this newsgroup, New Zealand has been experiencing an unusually cold spell. Also, despite the undoubted problems that will inevitably be caused by global warming there are also bound to be benefits in some parts of the world. It is inconceivable that changing climate can be all bad news. Norman -- Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Chalfont St. Giles Buckinghamshire |
WMO announcement on global warming and extreme weather
" The fact that parts (most?) of the British Isles have had an unusually warm June proves nothing. Similarly, extremely warm conditions in Finland proves nothing. Not so far away, Moscow had its coldest June this year since 1941 but that doesn't prove global cooling :) As has been reported in the past few days in this newsgroup, New Zealand has been experiencing an unusually cold spell. Also, despite the undoubted problems that will i Several things. The reason I mentioned Tuvalu was the fact they were, or still are attempting to sue the USA and Australian goverment. Why you ask? Because they said their small island was at risk of rising sea levels and the USA and Australia were to blame. Of course the case didn't hold water (pun intended) In fact the levels had dropped. As we are living in an increasingly 'blame culture' society. Where the louder a self interest group will shout and spin their apparent plight, the more chattering class outfits like the Guardian,Independent and NYT will report it with hand wringing empathetic frenzy. As a result large sums of international funding find a new home. Neatly on .... At first I thought it was the Independent on Sunday who published an infamous gaff of Mr Meacher. but I was wrong. Now Mr Meacher( recently sacked environment minister ) made a statement in the London Sunday Times and when you consider that this man has been the darhlink of the Independent and Guardian for some time.It kind of devalues the plausability of the arguments This Meacher howler is an old chestnut now but still worth reading. From August 2002 The Sunday Times. I bring you the truth " Britain's Environment Minister Michael Meacher, who likes to berate the U.S. for its backward stance on global warming, made a fool of himself in the August 9 issue of the London Sunday Times. Here's an excerpt from the interview: Meacher: "I mean floods in Britain is one we are having to explain, rising sea levels, but in America quite serious things are happening, certainly stronger hurricanes on the east coast which are to do with, what is the name of that hurricane that comes every 2-3 years?" Interviewer: "They call them different names." Meacher: "No, no, there is a name which is the Spanish word for a young child, what is it called?" Interviewer: El Niño." Meacher: "The El Niño is becoming more frequent and more violent..". There we are an experts view on El Niño . Norman Lynagh sensibly cites the fact that Moscow had it's coldest June since 1941 as an example of not getting too carried away with extremes. But as we should all know by now that with the greenhouse lobby textreme cold or extreme heat is a perfect example of global warming. So you can't win. A more sensible view would IMO be found here. http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/christy.htm |
WMO announcement on global warming and extreme weather
"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message ... " The fact that parts (most?) of the British Isles have had an unusually warm June proves nothing. Similarly, extremely warm conditions in Finland proves nothing. Not so far away, Moscow had its coldest June this year since 1941 but that doesn't prove global cooling :) As has been reported in the past few days in this newsgroup, New Zealand has been experiencing an unusually cold spell. Also, despite the undoubted problems that will i Several things. The reason I mentioned Tuvalu was the fact they were, or still are attempting to sue the USA and Australian goverment. Why you ask? Because they said their small island was at risk of rising sea levels and the USA and Australia were to blame. Of course the case didn't hold water (pun intended) In fact the levels had dropped. As we are living in an increasingly 'blame culture' society. Where the louder a self interest group will shout and spin their apparent plight, the more chattering class outfits like the Guardian,Independent and NYT will report it with hand wringing empathetic frenzy. As a result large sums of international funding find a new home. Neatly on .... At first I thought it was the Independent on Sunday who published an infamous gaff of Mr Meacher. but I was wrong. Now Mr Meacher( recently sacked environment minister ) made a statement in the London Sunday Times and when you consider that this man has been the darhlink of the Independent and Guardian for some time.It kind of devalues the plausability of the arguments This Meacher howler is an old chestnut now but still worth reading. From August 2002 The Sunday Times. I bring you the truth " Britain's Environment Minister Michael Meacher, who likes to berate the U.S. for its backward stance on global warming, made a fool of himself in the August 9 issue of the London Sunday Times. Here's an excerpt from the interview: Meacher: "I mean floods in Britain is one we are having to explain, rising sea levels, but in America quite serious things are happening, certainly stronger hurricanes on the east coast which are to do with, what is the name of that hurricane that comes every 2-3 years?" Interviewer: "They call them different names." Meacher: "No, no, there is a name which is the Spanish word for a young child, what is it called?" Interviewer: El Niño." Meacher: "The El Niño is becoming more frequent and more violent..". There we are an experts view on El Niño . Norman Lynagh sensibly cites the fact that Moscow had it's coldest June since 1941 as an example of not getting too carried away with extremes. But as we should all know by now that with the greenhouse lobby textreme cold or extreme heat is a perfect example of global warming. So you can't win. A more sensible view would IMO be found here. http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/christy.htm Lawrence, for another view of what J. Daly has to say try http://www.trump.net.au/~greenhou/. The word 'demolition' comes to mind. |
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WMO announcement on global warming and extreme weather
"Alastair McDonald" k wrote
in message snip One of the reasons little action has been taken to counter global warming is that meteorologists have remained uninterested in the problem snip Hmm, two words, Hadley and Centre... http://www.metoffice.com/research/ha...odeltypes.html http://www.metoffice.com/research/ha...modeldata.html http://www.metoffice.com/research/ha...lks/index.html Jon. |
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WMO announcement on global warming and extreme weather
"Norman Lynagh" wrote in message
... Hmmmm........You seem to be arguing that the warmest June since 1976 in England is a sign of global warming but the coldest June since 1941 in Moscow is only part of the natural variability. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Yes, I'm not arguing that the warmest June since 1976 in England is a sign of global warming. I think you were the first to bring that up. I said "One reason we in Britain are not concerned is because until now the effects have not been marked." What I and the WMO are saying is that the highest June temperatures in Geneva ever recorded AND many similar happening in other parts of the world are a sign of global warming. I readily agree that the warmest June since 1976 in England and the coldest June since 1941 in Moscow is only part of the natural variability. I do not have an anomally chart of surface air temperaturest but there is this anomally chart of sea surface temperatures. http://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/O...sstanomaly.gif I think it is pretty obvious from that map, that although there IS natural variability, the overall impression is of global warming, especially in the northern hemisphere (if you can pardon that Irishism :-.) Cheers, Alastair. Norman. -- Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Chalfont St. Giles Buckinghamshire E-mail: |
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"Keith Dancey" wrote in message
... In article , "Alastair McDonald" k writes: "Elena" wrote in message . com... I read The Independent Online: "In a startling report, the WMO, which normally produces detailed scientific reports and staid statistics at the year's end, highlighted record extremes in weather and climate occurring all over the world in recent weeks - and linked them to climate change. I have waited to reply to your post because I wanted to prove that there would be little interest from this group in a very important announcement. One of the reasons little action has been taken to counter global warming is that meteorologists have remained uninterested in the problem, and this gives entirely the wrong message to the general public. Rubbish. This news group does NOT equate to meteorologists, let alone to climate researchers (almost none of whom post here). Who are you to claim that "meteorologists have remained uninterested in the problem"? Just an ordinary punter who can't remember hearing the BBC weather men and women, far less than those from ITV, show much concern about rising global tempertures, or their consequences such as fires in Australia and the USA. ... that huge resources have been ploughed into climate research over the past ten years. That insufficient action has been taken is down to the politicians. You know, the ones which hood-winked everybody over weapons of mass deception. What I am saying is nobody trusts the politicians. Until the weathermen are willing to put their mouths where their money is, then Kyoto has no chance of success! Cheers, Alastair. |
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Alastair McDonald k writes: Just an ordinary punter who can't remember hearing the BBC weather men and women, far less than those from ITV, show much concern about rising global tempertures, or their consequences such as fires in Australia and the USA. They have about two minutes to give the forecast for the UK (which is what their job is). They don't have time to digress onto other matters, however important the topic might be. -- John Hall "Across the wires the electric message came: "He is no better, he is much the same." ["On the Illness of the Prince of Wales", attr. Alfred Austin (1835-1913) ] |
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:55:44 +0100, "Alastair McDonald"
k wrote: "Keith Dancey" wrote in message That insufficient action has been taken is down to the politicians. You know, the ones which hood-winked everybody over weapons of mass deception. What I am saying is nobody trusts the politicians. Until the weathermen are willing to put their mouths where their money is, then Kyoto has no chance of success! Shouldn't that be "American politicians"? I think that meteorologists, amateurs and even lesser mortals like me are well aware of the trend in mean and extreme temperatures and weather. There's nothing startlingly new for me, in the Independent report. From my limited knowledge of the subject it seems to be a battle for the non-American politicians (and minority American ones) to fight in public, with climatologists and meteorologists continuing to prod in the background as evidence accumulates. -- Dave |
WMO announcement on global warming and extreme weather
"Alastair McDonald" k wrote in message ...
I have waited to reply to your post because I wanted to prove that there would be little interest from this group in a very important announcement. Some of us watched the heatwave in March miss the US out and thought: One in the teeth for the gobal warmers. One of the reasons little action has been taken to counter global warming is that meteorologists have remained uninterested in the problem, and this gives entirely the wrong message to the general public. If there is one setion of the community that is interested it is people that are interested in the weather. What are meteorologists to do about it anyway? They give 3 day forecasts not ultimatums! One reason we in Britain are not concerned is because until now the effects have not been marked. I suspect that in Finland the weather is extremely warm for the time of year, and that was one reason for your interest in the Independent report. The actual press release from the WMO can be seen at; http://www.wmo.ch/web/Press/Press695.doc We meteorologists in Britain do you mean or the man on the Clapham omnibus? I begins; ---------------- ACCORDING TO THE WORLD METEOROLOGICAL ORGANIZATION, EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS MIGHT INCREASE Geneva, 2 July 2003 - Record extremes in weather and climate events continue to occur around the world. So this report included the extreme cold spells in it's wake up call? Recent scientific assessments indicate that, as the global temperatures continue to warm due to climate change Ah! No. The thing to note is that the WMO is based in Geneva. Switzerland had its hottest month for 250 years. It is only when the meteorologist at the WMO suffer from global warming that they take any notice. I though it was due to the school hols, a lull in global conflict and the absence of medical maladies that brought it ou. It's just a matter of timing. And funds are low. Perhaps not then, eh? The reason the world is taking no action is that the east coast of North America, where the centre of political power resides, has not yet suffered these record tempratures, In fact quite the reverse and when they do they will be able to turn up the air conditioning. Or invade.... erm.... where can they invade to get cold? The problem, as I see it, is that it is now too late to avoid disaster. When the glaciers and ice caps melt, the change in albedo will amplify the warming from the carbon dioxide. Since they are melting now, even if we held CO2 at today's levels the ice would continue to melt. You don't see that a deep layer of ice will have less albedo than an extensive blanket of cloud? The current high temperatures, flooding, and droughts are only a taster of what is to come, but this realistic view is regarded as nonsense by pundits and public alike! Not nonsense old boy. We have seen do gooders causing catastrophe after catastrophe in their bungling attempts to set the world right. There are unusual and nasty disasters going on left right and centre. But is it global warming? If it isn't and your kind send everyone in the wrong direction all we'll have is another UN wasted effort and slipshod mismanagement at hideous expense, chasing its tail and blaming all the right people. Try and remember that a lot of the US was chopped down in the 19th century. In order to compensate for the increasing damage to the land they used fertiliser and then pesticides. Meanwhile most of its rivers are constrained by the army and then of course we have the problems caused by dams and land drains. Did the report mention any way to get over these problems without giving the land back to the injuns? |
WMO announcement on global warming and extreme weather
Thanks for those links. I have just look at them, after I sent the other
reply! Cheers, Alastair. "Jon O'Rourke" wrote in message ... "Alastair McDonald" k wrote in message snip One of the reasons little action has been taken to counter global warming is that meteorologists have remained uninterested in the problem snip Hmm, two words, Hadley and Centre... http://www.metoffice.com/research/ha...odeltypes.html http://www.metoffice.com/research/ha...modeldata.html http://www.metoffice.com/research/ha...lks/index.html Jon. |
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What I am saying is nobody trusts the politicians. Until the weathermen are willing to put their mouths where their money is, then Kyoto has no chance of success! Cheers, Alastair. Many politicians in europe and the UK see plenty of mileage in hoiking tax's through the trojan horse of idiots like Livingstone. and this present government. I've said something similar before. When the bulk of the nation are still still doing NVQ's at the age of 69.as they await their rare bus home amongst the teeming throng of drug dealers and other gangsters. That mild January night air will will at least give them some solace. Natural/Man induced? GW far better than cooling for the majority, in a future world where even civil servants will have to wait for their retirement. Visit my new web site http//www.stillwaitingformybeachhutatwhistabletofloatof. com |
WMO announcement on global warming and extreme weather
"Alastair McDonald" k wrote in message ... Thanks for those links. I have just look at them, after I sent the other reply! Cheers, Alastair. So Jon attempts to help you out by giving you some useful information, but you go ahead and post a reply without first spending a few minutes reading the information supplied ? And you want people to converse with you in an intelligent manner ? Pah, why am I wasting my time.... Cheers Ian -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER - All views and opinions expressed by myself are personal and do not necessarily represent those of my employer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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