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Stats for here in Luton:
Year MeanMin MeanMax OverallMean 2004 12.8 22.5 17.7 2003 12.1 21.3 16.7 2002 10.4 17.8 14.1 2001 7.2 17.2 12.2 2000 10.3 19.4 14.9 1999 8.6 17.9 13.3 1998 10.4 18.5 14.4 1997 10.6 22.6 16.6 1996 10.5 23.2 16.9 1995 8.9 16.6 12.8 1994 9.0 17.7 13.3 1993 11.2 22.8 17.0 1992 11.1 19.4 15.3 1991 7.1 15.2 11.2 1990 8.2 16.9 12.5 1989 5.1 15.3 10.2 1988 8.2 15.7 12.0 1987 8.7 16.0 12.3 1986 8.0 16.4 12.2 1985 7.6 18.3 12.9 1984 8.0 18.2 13.1 1983 11.2 20.6 15.9 1982 14.0 25.1 19.6 1981 10.4 18.5 14.5 1980 10.5 21.4 15.9 Philip Eden Luton (obs site at 113m) |
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1982 certainly stands out. What was the rest of summer 1982 like?
Shaun Pudwell. "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... Stats for here in Luton: Year MeanMin MeanMax OverallMean 2004 12.8 22.5 17.7 2003 12.1 21.3 16.7 2002 10.4 17.8 14.1 2001 7.2 17.2 12.2 2000 10.3 19.4 14.9 1999 8.6 17.9 13.3 1998 10.4 18.5 14.4 1997 10.6 22.6 16.6 1996 10.5 23.2 16.9 1995 8.9 16.6 12.8 1994 9.0 17.7 13.3 1993 11.2 22.8 17.0 1992 11.1 19.4 15.3 1991 7.1 15.2 11.2 1990 8.2 16.9 12.5 1989 5.1 15.3 10.2 1988 8.2 15.7 12.0 1987 8.7 16.0 12.3 1986 8.0 16.4 12.2 1985 7.6 18.3 12.9 1984 8.0 18.2 13.1 1983 11.2 20.6 15.9 1982 14.0 25.1 19.6 1981 10.4 18.5 14.5 1980 10.5 21.4 15.9 Philip Eden Luton (obs site at 113m) |
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"Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message
... Stats for here in Luton: Year MeanMin MeanMax OverallMean Snip Philip Eden Luton (obs site at 113m) As you might expect, I was interested in that data for evidence of global warming. Although this year's figures are greater than previous years, they are not a record even on a range stretching back only 25 years. The figures in 1982 were higher than this year. I though that if I constructed a running mean of 5 years then perhaps it would show a monotonic (a new word I have just learnt which roughly translated means 'steady' :-) increase in temperature. You will see below that this was not the case, however creating a 10 year running average did show such an increase from 1992. This raises the obvious question "Why?" The first answer that occurred to me was that there is an 11 year sunspot cycle, and a ten year running mean was long enough to remove its influence. So I constructed an eleven year running mean too. This shortened the montonicity to following year 1994. All are shown below; Year Mean 5 Yr 10 Yr 11 Yr 2004 17.7 15.1 15.0 14.8 2003 16.7 14.2 14.5 14.7 2002 14.1 13.8 14.6 14.6 2001 12.2 14.3 14.7 14.4 2000 14.9 15.2 14.6 14.4 1999 13.3 14.8 14.3 14.0 1998 14.4 14.8 14.0 13.8 1997 16.6 15.3 13.8 13.6 1996 16.9 15.1 13.4 13.2 1995 12.8 13.9 12.9 12.9 1994 13.3 13.9 12.9 12.9 1993 17.0 13.2 12.9 13.1 1992 15.3 12.2 12.8 13.4 1991 11.2 11.6 13.2 13.3 1990 12.5 11.8 13.5 13.7 1989 10.2 11.9 13.9 1988 12.0 12.5 1987 12.3 13.3 1986 12.2 14.7 1985 12.9 15.2 1984 13.1 15.8 1983 15.9 1982 19.6 1981 14.5 1980 15.9 It is interesting that there now seems to be a trend of +0.1C per year in June average temperatures. Since the sun spot cycle is actually 22 years it would be interesting to see what would happen with a 22 year running mean over an extended range of temperatures. Cheers, Alastair. |
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I wondered about how things were going with regard to CET's so far for June.
Philip, how does this compare with some of the really hot June's ie June 1976? It is interesting to note that this is a full 1C more than last years which was the warmest June since 1976. Gavin. "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... Stats for here in Luton: Year MeanMin MeanMax OverallMean 2004 12.8 22.5 17.7 2003 12.1 21.3 16.7 2002 10.4 17.8 14.1 2001 7.2 17.2 12.2 2000 10.3 19.4 14.9 1999 8.6 17.9 13.3 1998 10.4 18.5 14.4 1997 10.6 22.6 16.6 1996 10.5 23.2 16.9 1995 8.9 16.6 12.8 1994 9.0 17.7 13.3 1993 11.2 22.8 17.0 1992 11.1 19.4 15.3 1991 7.1 15.2 11.2 1990 8.2 16.9 12.5 1989 5.1 15.3 10.2 1988 8.2 15.7 12.0 1987 8.7 16.0 12.3 1986 8.0 16.4 12.2 1985 7.6 18.3 12.9 1984 8.0 18.2 13.1 1983 11.2 20.6 15.9 1982 14.0 25.1 19.6 1981 10.4 18.5 14.5 1980 10.5 21.4 15.9 Philip Eden Luton (obs site at 113m) |
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I think one has to be careful here as quite a few past June's have started
hot, dry and sunny only to be replaced after mid month by cold and wet conditions. I have an awful feeling this could be one of those years! Shaun Pudwell. "Gavin Staples" wrote in message ... I wondered about how things were going with regard to CET's so far for June. Philip, how does this compare with some of the really hot June's ie June 1976? It is interesting to note that this is a full 1C more than last years which was the warmest June since 1976. Gavin. "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... Stats for here in Luton: Year MeanMin MeanMax OverallMean 2004 12.8 22.5 17.7 2003 12.1 21.3 16.7 2002 10.4 17.8 14.1 2001 7.2 17.2 12.2 2000 10.3 19.4 14.9 1999 8.6 17.9 13.3 1998 10.4 18.5 14.4 1997 10.6 22.6 16.6 1996 10.5 23.2 16.9 1995 8.9 16.6 12.8 1994 9.0 17.7 13.3 1993 11.2 22.8 17.0 1992 11.1 19.4 15.3 1991 7.1 15.2 11.2 1990 8.2 16.9 12.5 1989 5.1 15.3 10.2 1988 8.2 15.7 12.0 1987 8.7 16.0 12.3 1986 8.0 16.4 12.2 1985 7.6 18.3 12.9 1984 8.0 18.2 13.1 1983 11.2 20.6 15.9 1982 14.0 25.1 19.6 1981 10.4 18.5 14.5 1980 10.5 21.4 15.9 Philip Eden Luton (obs site at 113m) |
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![]() "Shaun Pudwell" wrote in message ... "Gavin Staples" wrote in message ... I wondered about how things were going with regard to CET's so far for June. Philip, how does this compare with some of the really hot June's ie June 1976? It is interesting to note that this is a full 1C more than last years which was the warmest June since 1976. I think one has to be careful here as quite a few past June's have started hot, dry and sunny only to be replaced after mid month by cold and wet conditions. I have an awful feeling this could be one of those years! Yes, quite right. 1982 stands out because that is the only year when the period 1-10 June was almost entirely occupied by a single warm spell. The other moderately warm years, like this year, had one short-ish warm spell or a few scattered warm days. June 1976's high CET was largely a response to the massive heatwave between June 22 and 30; it was running behind 2004 at this stage of the month. What I find striking about the figures is the sequence of really cold years, esp wrt mean max, between 1986 and 1991. It is unwise to try to draw climatic conclusions from a selected 10-day period taken over just 25 years ... meteorological vagaries are liable to swamp any climatological trend. 1982 was an unusual summer. The rest of June was exceptionally cyclonic except in northern Scotland where it was exceptionally dry. July was anticyclonic/northerly ... warmest and sunniest in western and northern Britain, but often cloudy and cool in eastern England. The first half of August was cyclonic/easterly which made it warm and thundery with some very hot days in Shetland. The second half of August was very westerly. I am not, of course, suggesting for one moment that that is a template for this year. Philip Eden |
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In message , Shaun Pudwell
writes I think one has to be careful here as quite a few past June's have started hot, dry and sunny only to be replaced after mid month by cold and wet conditions. I have an awful feeling this could be one of those years! Shaun Pudwell. Hope so :-) It has been much too hot recently in the south for my northern blood. Norman (delete "thisbit" twice to e-mail) -- Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Chalfont St Giles England |
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Alastair, you need to be a little cautious when trying to deduce trends or
cycles using running averages. It is a mathematical fact that any series of unweighted means will show periodic fluctuations with a period two to three times the averaging period. The effect has been discussed several times in 'Weather', (Burton June 1997, p195, Reynolds Weather 1978, pp 74-76). Running averages of random numbers will produce some really convincing cycles. -- Bernard Burton Wokingham, Berkshire, UK. Satellite images at: www.btinternet.com/~wokingham.weather/wwp.html "Alastair McDonald" k wrote in message ... "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... Stats for here in Luton: Year MeanMin MeanMax OverallMean Snip Philip Eden Luton (obs site at 113m) As you might expect, I was interested in that data for evidence of global warming. Although this year's figures are greater than previous years, they are not a record even on a range stretching back only 25 years. The figures in 1982 were higher than this year. I though that if I constructed a running mean of 5 years then perhaps it would show a monotonic (a new word I have just learnt which roughly translated means 'steady' :-) increase in temperature. You will see below that this was not the case, however creating a 10 year running average did show such an increase from 1992. This raises the obvious question "Why?" The first answer that occurred to me was that there is an 11 year sunspot cycle, and a ten year running mean was long enough to remove its influence. So I constructed an eleven year running mean too. This shortened the montonicity to following year 1994. All are shown below; Year Mean 5 Yr 10 Yr 11 Yr 2004 17.7 15.1 15.0 14.8 2003 16.7 14.2 14.5 14.7 2002 14.1 13.8 14.6 14.6 2001 12.2 14.3 14.7 14.4 2000 14.9 15.2 14.6 14.4 1999 13.3 14.8 14.3 14.0 1998 14.4 14.8 14.0 13.8 1997 16.6 15.3 13.8 13.6 1996 16.9 15.1 13.4 13.2 1995 12.8 13.9 12.9 12.9 1994 13.3 13.9 12.9 12.9 1993 17.0 13.2 12.9 13.1 1992 15.3 12.2 12.8 13.4 1991 11.2 11.6 13.2 13.3 1990 12.5 11.8 13.5 13.7 1989 10.2 11.9 13.9 1988 12.0 12.5 1987 12.3 13.3 1986 12.2 14.7 1985 12.9 15.2 1984 13.1 15.8 1983 15.9 1982 19.6 1981 14.5 1980 15.9 It is interesting that there now seems to be a trend of +0.1C per year in June average temperatures. Since the sun spot cycle is actually 22 years it would be interesting to see what would happen with a 22 year running mean over an extended range of temperatures. Cheers, Alastair. |
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Yn erthygl , sgrifennodd
Bernard Burton : Alastair, you need to be a little cautious when trying to deduce trends or cycles using running averages. It is a mathematical fact that any series of unweighted means will show periodic fluctuations with a period two to three times the averaging period. The effect has been discussed several times in 'Weather', (Burton June 1997, p195, Reynolds Weather 1978, pp 74-76). Running averages of random numbers will produce some really convincing cycles. That's interesting - I didn't realise this. I was using running averages a few years ago on data from a Raman spectrometer. But my method used a sine wave average. So the number at the centre was given a weighting of 1, the number at the edge (say 5 either side) 0, and the numbers in between were cos((x/5)*90) - where x is the distance from the centre of the averaged area. Multiply the result by the appropriate number (I forget...) to rescale it into the same range as the original. Using this method I never noticed any such cycles. Adrian -- Adrian Shaw ais@ Adran Cyfrifiadureg, Prifysgol Cymru, aber. Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Cymru ac. http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais uk |
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![]() "Bernard Burton" wrote in message ... Alastair, you need to be a little cautious when trying to deduce trends or cycles using running averages. It is a mathematical fact that any series of unweighted means will show periodic fluctuations with a period two to three times the averaging period. The effect has been discussed several times in 'Weather', (Burton June 1997, p195, Reynolds Weather 1978, pp 74-76). Running averages of random numbers will produce some really convincing cycles. Of course, here there is not a cycle, but a linear trend,but it is probably just a coincidence. If not, then we can predict the average temperature in the first 10 days of June next year by calculating the running mean for next year, by adding 0.1C to this years mean, and then determining what temperature next year would give that mean. Of course why restrict it to only 10 days in June? Next June's average temperture could be calculated that way, and all other months as well! Cheers, Alastair. |
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