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June 24th 04, 04:03 PM
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:33:42 +0100, Howard Neil
wrote: Fran wrote: said... By the way, Y Mynydd Du is pronounced "er minith dee" the "th" being as in "the" rather than in "think". Close. Try 'muh-nith dee'. You're right about the hard sounding 'th' though. Have a listen to Cefn Gwlad next Wednesday, S4C, 9.0pm. It's not 'muh-' to a northerner. -- Paul My Lake District walking site: http://paulrooney.netfirms.com |
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June 24th 04, 06:51 PM
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AndyP wrote:
"Howard Neil" wrote By the way, Y Mynydd Du is pronounced "er minith dee" the "th" being as in "the" rather than in "think". Close. Try 'muh-nith dee'. You're right about the hard sounding 'th' though. Have a listen to Cefn Gwlad next Wednesday, S4C, 9.0pm. If you can't agree on the Welsh pronunciation you could always stick to the English. One world, one language, far simpler. Since when has there been agreement on English pronunciation? (Try comparing Yorkshire to Surrey) :-) -- Howard Neil |
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June 24th 04, 06:53 PM
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Paul Rooney wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:33:42 +0100, Howard Neil wrote: Fran wrote: said... By the way, Y Mynydd Du is pronounced "er minith dee" the "th" being as in "the" rather than in "think". Close. Try 'muh-nith dee'. You're right about the hard sounding 'th' though. Have a listen to Cefn Gwlad next Wednesday, S4C, 9.0pm. It's not 'muh-' to a northerner. What is it then, please? -- Howard Neil |
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June 24th 04, 07:38 PM
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"Howard Neil" wrote
Since when has there been agreement on English pronunciation? (Try comparing Yorkshire to Surrey) :-) I think people from Yorkshire know they talk funny and would agree that people in Surrey know better. Despite being an ex Forest of Dean resident myself I wouldn't claim that "thick" (with a "th" as in the) is the correct way to pronounce the word that. |
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June 24th 04, 10:44 PM
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AndyP wrote:
"Howard Neil" wrote Since when has there been agreement on English pronunciation? (Try comparing Yorkshire to Surrey) :-) I think people from Yorkshire know they talk funny and would agree that people in Surrey know better. Despite being an ex Forest of Dean resident myself I wouldn't claim that "thick" (with a "th" as in the) is the correct way to pronounce the word that. :-) -- Howard Neil |
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June 25th 04, 09:18 AM
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:53:35 +0100, Howard Neil
wrote: Paul Rooney wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:33:42 +0100, Howard Neil wrote: Fran wrote: said... By the way, Y Mynydd Du is pronounced "er minith dee" the "th" being as in "the" rather than in "think". Close. Try 'muh-nith dee'. You're right about the hard sounding 'th' though. Have a listen to Cefn Gwlad next Wednesday, S4C, 9.0pm. It's not 'muh-' to a northerner. What is it then, please? The so-called neutral vowel. Y can be the same as i in 'thin', but here it's like the -er in 'copper' or the o in 'button'. A bit like southern English u. -- Paul My Lake District walking site: http://paulrooney.netfirms.com |
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June 25th 04, 09:57 AM
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Paul Rooney wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:53:35 +0100, Howard Neil wrote: Paul Rooney wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:33:42 +0100, Howard Neil wrote: Fran wrote: said... By the way, Y Mynydd Du is pronounced "er minith dee" the "th" being as in "the" rather than in "think". Close. Try 'muh-nith dee'. You're right about the hard sounding 'th' though. Have a listen to Cefn Gwlad next Wednesday, S4C, 9.0pm. It's not 'muh-' to a northerner. What is it then, please? The so-called neutral vowel. Y can be the same as i in 'thin', but here it's like the -er in 'copper' or the o in 'button'. A bit like southern English u. Thanks. That sounds the same as here in West Wales (and as I originally posted). -- Howard Neil (western end of the Brecon Beacons National Park, at 235 metres asl) |
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June 25th 04, 10:01 AM
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Fran wrote:
said... Fran wrote: said... By the way, Y Mynydd Du is pronounced "er minith dee" the "th" being as in "the" rather than in "think". Close. Try 'muh-nith dee'. You're right about the hard sounding 'th' though. Have a listen to Cefn Gwlad next Wednesday, S4C, 9.0pm. That might be difficult, unless S4C have a 'listen again' option of some sort on their website. You see, I have no TV. That is a shame. The programme interviews many of my neighbours and you would have been able to hear how y Mynydd Du is pronounced by the locals. -- Howard Neil |
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June 25th 04, 10:41 AM
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"Paul Rooney" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:53:35 +0100, Howard Neil wrote: Paul Rooney wrote: It's not 'muh-' to a northerner. What is it then, please? The so-called neutral vowel. Y can be the same as i in 'thin', but here it's like the -er in 'copper' or the o in 'button'. A bit like southern English u. Called in the business a "schwa", and represented in pronunciation threads on language newsgroups as a "@" ... eg 'kop@ for "copper" in British English. Philip Eden |
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