On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:57:06 +0100, Howard Neil
wrote:



Thanks. That sounds the same as here in West Wales (and as I originally
posted).


Except that you wrote

minith

The first i should be the neutral vowel.

--

Paul

My Lake District walking site:

http://paulrooney.netfirms.com

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:41:51 +0100, "Philip Eden"
philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote:


"Paul Rooney" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:53:35 +0100, Howard Neil
wrote:

Paul Rooney wrote:

It's not 'muh-' to a northerner.

What is it then, please?

The so-called neutral vowel. Y can be the same as i in 'thin', but
here it's like the -er in 'copper' or the o in 'button'. A bit
like
southern English u.

Called in the business a "schwa", and represented in
pronunciation threads on language newsgroups as
a "@" ... eg 'kop@ for "copper" in British English.

Philip Eden


Don't we have the correct symbol for a schwa somewhere?
Would it show up properly here?

--

Paul

My Lake District walking site:

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Paul Rooney wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:57:06 +0100, Howard Neil
wrote:



Thanks. That sounds the same as here in West Wales (and as I originally
posted).



Except that you wrote


minith


The first i should be the neutral vowel.

I understand what you are saying now. It does get pronounced minith
around here, though.

--
Howard Neil
(western end of the Brecon Beacons National Park, at 235 metres asl)

In article , AndyP
writes
f you can't agree on the Welsh pronunciation you could always stick to the
English. One world, one language, far simpler.

Compared with the variety of dialects and subsequent variations in
pronunciations of English words by Englishmen - I prefer to keep Welsh
as the easier language, much easier.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:57:39 +0100, Howard Neil
wrote:

Paul Rooney wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:57:06 +0100, Howard Neil
wrote:



Thanks. That sounds the same as here in West Wales (and as I originally
posted).



Except that you wrote


minith


The first i should be the neutral vowel.

I understand what you are saying now. It does get pronounced minith
around here, though.

I've heard it quite often too. There seem to be lots of variations in
Welsh pronunciation.

--

Paul

My Lake District walking site:

http://paulrooney.netfirms.com

In article , Paul Rooney
writes
The first i should be the neutral vowel.

You are creating definitions of your own methinks!
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

Paul Rooney wrote:

I've heard it quite often too. There seem to be lots of variations in
Welsh pronunciation.

Not as many as there are in English. :-)

--
Howard Neil

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:22:22 +0100, "W. D. Grey"
wrote:

In article , Paul Rooney
writes
The first i should be the neutral vowel.

You are creating definitions of your own methinks!

Have you not come across the neutral vowel, Bill?
It's common usage in phonetics.

--

Paul

My Lake District walking site:

http://paulrooney.netfirms.com

In article , Paul Rooney
writes
Have you not come across the neutral vowel, Bill?
It's common usage in phonetics.

Never heard of it ! I've never studied academic phonetics.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

Paul Rooney wrote in message ...

:On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:41:51 +0100, "Philip Eden"
:philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote:
:Called in the business a "schwa", and represented in
:pronunciation threads on language newsgroups as
:a "@" ... eg 'kop@ for "copper" in British English.

on't we have the correct symbol for a schwa somewhere?
:Would it show up properly here?

In the phonetic alphabet it is written like an 'e' upside down. I doubt if
it would show up properly in a Usenet post.

Colin Youngs
Brussels