Peter. Thank you for your kind words. Now do you want the answer in miles or
kilometers? Okay I concede 420.000 years approx and that includes all bank
holidays. Now it's my turn. Will it snow on Christmas Day in London this
year? If you are correct you'll be escorted around the high tech desk and
lap tops of TWO (by the way you can take a guest)





"Peter Hearnden" wrote in message
...

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair. Waiting for signs of GW or GC is like "Waiting for Godot" (I'm
being generous here) The truth is, much ain't really changed really....
has
it?
Lawrence, you sound like and expert - how many years long is the Vostok
temperature record?








"Alastair McDonald" k
wrote
in message ...

"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
...
Vostok -80.3°c

Keith (Southend)

It would be interesting to see a sounding for that. Using the lapse
rate
from
the US Std. Atmos. of 6.5C/km, the temperture should get down to
absolute
zero within 25km.

OTOH perhaps the tropopause has sunk, just as it did in "The Day after
Tomorrow"!

Cheers, Alastair.

I don't think you quite understand Lawrence,

If the Ross Ice Shelf collapses in the same way that the
Larsen B ice shelf did, and the West Antarctic ice sheet
slides into the sea after it, then the ice cream salesmen
on our beaches will be in trouble, along with many Londoners,
especially those with beach houses in Sanbanks, Poole.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair and Peter. "There is a tide in the affairs of men" and in our life
times and beyond-it's not going to change by very much. The ice cream
salesmen of our British coastal towns are safe.


"Alastair McDonald" k wrote
in message ...

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair. Waiting for signs of GW or GC is like "Waiting for Godot" (I'm
being generous here) The truth is, much ain't really changed really....
has
it?

Climate does not change slowly, it changes in jumps. We first found
that out in the 1970s from ocean sediment cores and other
paleoclimatic evidence. It was later confirmed in the 1990s
by ice cores from Greenland. The lack of a steep change
in temperature is quite consitent with that evidence. A sudden abrupt
rise, which will happen without warning, is the most likely outcome of
our increasing the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide by over 30%.

HTH,

Cheers, Alastair.

That's strange I've been led to believe that the temperature data for the
Ross Ice shelf hasn't really varied that much in the last several decades!
and if anything Antartica was defying all IPPC models and experts and is
growing colder, So why should it collapse?


Who owns the beach house? Its very safe.



"Alastair McDonald" k wrote
in message ...
I don't think you quite understand Lawrence,

If the Ross Ice Shelf collapses in the same way that the
Larsen B ice shelf did, and the West Antarctic ice sheet
slides into the sea after it, then the ice cream salesmen
on our beaches will be in trouble, along with many Londoners,
especially those with beach houses in Sanbanks, Poole.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair and Peter. "There is a tide in the affairs of men" and in our
life
times and beyond-it's not going to change by very much. The ice cream
salesmen of our British coastal towns are safe.


"Alastair McDonald" k
wrote
in message ...

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair. Waiting for signs of GW or GC is like "Waiting for Godot"
(I'm
being generous here) The truth is, much ain't really changed
really....
has
it?

Climate does not change slowly, it changes in jumps. We first found
that out in the 1970s from ocean sediment cores and other
paleoclimatic evidence. It was later confirmed in the 1990s
by ice cores from Greenland. The lack of a steep change
in temperature is quite consitent with that evidence. A sudden abrupt
rise, which will happen without warning, is the most likely outcome of
our increasing the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide by over 30%.

HTH,

Cheers, Alastair.

The Larsen B ice sheet had not warmed either. These ice shelves melt from
beneath as the ocean warms.

The houses in Sandbanks are around the most expensive in the world, so
I imagine they are owned by London millionaires.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
That's strange I've been led to believe that the temperature data for the
Ross Ice shelf hasn't really varied that much in the last several decades!
and if anything Antartica was defying all IPPC models and experts and is
growing colder, So why should it collapse?


Who owns the beach house? Its very safe.



"Alastair McDonald" k wrote
in message ...
I don't think you quite understand Lawrence,

If the Ross Ice Shelf collapses in the same way that the
Larsen B ice shelf did, and the West Antarctic ice sheet
slides into the sea after it, then the ice cream salesmen
on our beaches will be in trouble, along with many Londoners,
especially those with beach houses in Sanbanks, Poole.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair and Peter. "There is a tide in the affairs of men" and in our
life
times and beyond-it's not going to change by very much. The ice cream
salesmen of our British coastal towns are safe.


"Alastair McDonald" k
wrote
in message ...

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair. Waiting for signs of GW or GC is like "Waiting for Godot"
(I'm
being generous here) The truth is, much ain't really changed
really....
has
it?

Climate does not change slowly, it changes in jumps. We first found
that out in the 1970s from ocean sediment cores and other
paleoclimatic evidence. It was later confirmed in the 1990s
by ice cores from Greenland. The lack of a steep change
in temperature is quite consitent with that evidence. A sudden abrupt
rise, which will happen without warning, is the most likely outcome of
our increasing the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide by over 30%.

HTH,

Cheers, Alastair.

Alastair you can have the last word.






"Alastair McDonald" k wrote
in message ...
The Larsen B ice sheet had not warmed either. These ice shelves melt from
beneath as the ocean warms.

The houses in Sandbanks are around the most expensive in the world, so
I imagine they are owned by London millionaires.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
That's strange I've been led to believe that the temperature data for
the
Ross Ice shelf hasn't really varied that much in the last several
decades!
and if anything Antartica was defying all IPPC models and experts and is
growing colder, So why should it collapse?


Who owns the beach house? Its very safe.



"Alastair McDonald" k
wrote
in message ...
I don't think you quite understand Lawrence,

If the Ross Ice Shelf collapses in the same way that the
Larsen B ice shelf did, and the West Antarctic ice sheet
slides into the sea after it, then the ice cream salesmen
on our beaches will be in trouble, along with many Londoners,
especially those with beach houses in Sanbanks, Poole.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair and Peter. "There is a tide in the affairs of men" and in
our
life
times and beyond-it's not going to change by very much. The ice
cream
salesmen of our British coastal towns are safe.


"Alastair McDonald"
k
wrote
in message ...

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair. Waiting for signs of GW or GC is like "Waiting for
Godot"
(I'm
being generous here) The truth is, much ain't really changed
really....
has
it?

Climate does not change slowly, it changes in jumps. We first
found
that out in the 1970s from ocean sediment cores and other
paleoclimatic evidence. It was later confirmed in the 1990s
by ice cores from Greenland. The lack of a steep change
in temperature is quite consitent with that evidence. A sudden
abrupt
rise, which will happen without warning, is the most likely
outcome of
our increasing the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide by over 30%.

HTH,

Cheers, Alastair.

zymurgy :-?

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair you can have the last word.






"Alastair McDonald" k wrote
in message ...
The Larsen B ice sheet had not warmed either. These ice shelves melt from
beneath as the ocean warms.

The houses in Sandbanks are around the most expensive in the world, so
I imagine they are owned by London millionaires.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
That's strange I've been led to believe that the temperature data for
the
Ross Ice shelf hasn't really varied that much in the last several
decades!
and if anything Antartica was defying all IPPC models and experts and is
growing colder, So why should it collapse?


Who owns the beach house? Its very safe.



"Alastair McDonald" k
wrote
in message ...
I don't think you quite understand Lawrence,

If the Ross Ice Shelf collapses in the same way that the
Larsen B ice shelf did, and the West Antarctic ice sheet
slides into the sea after it, then the ice cream salesmen
on our beaches will be in trouble, along with many Londoners,
especially those with beach houses in Sanbanks, Poole.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair and Peter. "There is a tide in the affairs of men" and in
our
life
times and beyond-it's not going to change by very much. The ice
cream
salesmen of our British coastal towns are safe.


"Alastair McDonald"
k
wrote
in message ...

"Lawrence" wrote in message
...
Alastair. Waiting for signs of GW or GC is like "Waiting for
Godot"
(I'm
being generous here) The truth is, much ain't really changed
really....
has
it?

Climate does not change slowly, it changes in jumps. We first
found
that out in the 1970s from ocean sediment cores and other
paleoclimatic evidence. It was later confirmed in the 1990s
by ice cores from Greenland. The lack of a steep change
in temperature is quite consitent with that evidence. A sudden
abrupt
rise, which will happen without warning, is the most likely
outcome of
our increasing the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide by over 30%.

HTH,

Cheers, Alastair.