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.... I am not interested in snowfall at Christmass.

I do note that the first fine weather slated for the spring (having
written off the rest of this year in previous posts) is at the end of
February.

Of course as we all know, the weather is intimately connected to other
geophysical phenomena such as seismicity etc; so it will come as no
suprise that the forecasts will be in error.

But here is how they run:
2005 Phases of the Moon
Universal Time

NEW MOON FIRST QUARTER FULL MOON LAST QUARTER

d h m d h m d h m d h m

JAN. 3 17 46
JAN. 10 12 03 JAN. 17 6 57 JAN. 25 10 32 FEB. 2 7 27
FEB. 8 22 28 FEB. 16 0 16 FEB. 24 4 54 MAR. 3 17 36
MAR. 10 9 10 MAR. 17 19 19

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.html#y2005

On the 24th of Feb the weather will be anticyclonic with the associated
cold spell. After so much rainfall and upheaval I suspect a large
snowfall to result. All the more so as the following spell (3rd March)
is similar but more unstable -and the one after that thundery.

We seem to be in a season or cycle of equinoctial storms once more
-after a run of severe winter ones at Crimbo. Seeing as the storms are
the result of dissipation of heat, does this mean that the solstice will
be as cold as winters can be without the influence of storms?

The events from now to the end of this year seem to be:

28 OCT. thundery.

5 NOV. misty.

12 NOV. (tricky one this: 14:27 as it tends toward severe seismic
disturbances) what was the weather like in the middle of September?

19 NOV. misty once again.

26 NOV. I have this as fine but a similarly timed phase in may got this
interpretation from Darren Prescott:



http://mygate.mailgate.org/mynews/uk/uk.sci.weather/c96mld$hfi$1%40newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk?order=smart&p= 107/897
(calling up threads from the past in Google only gets you a few weeks
back. Hitting the back arrow on the Mailgate server will get you the
lot. I don't know how other usenet servers will work for it but the
title of the post was: Today's model interpretation (28/05/04))

5 DEC. Low pressure. (that's all the time of the phases give but from
the declination of the sun and moon you can get a good idea where this
will track. If it hits the He Brides we get nice weather in North Wales
and the Midlands (generally)(unless you happen to be a He Bride that
is))

12 DEC. stormy (hence too warm to snow.)

18 DEC. more windy weather.

26 DEC. thundery.

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The events from now to the end of this year seem to be:

28 OCT. thundery.


Well that was two days ago, congratulations I think you were correct!

5 NOV. misty.


I'll go for 'smoky' myself

12 NOV. (tricky one this: 14:27 as it tends toward severe seismic
disturbances) what was the weather like in the middle of September?


Wet & windy, at least it was in NW England.

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... I am not interested in snowfall at Christmass.


I would love to understand that logic, given that if you were a Pagan, you
wouldn't be interested in christmas at all, with or without the snow (:

Gianna

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... I am not interested in snowfall at Christmass.


I would love to understand that logic, given that if you were a Pagan, you
wouldn't be interested in christmas at all, with or without the snow (:


Snowfall at Christmass and all the other stuff that goes on Sickmess
cards is all from the Romantication of Christianity. (I.e. Pagan.)
Surely you knew that?

The only religion that does not have a festival at around that time as
far as I know is Christianity. Even the wierd religions* that have no
gods celebrate the solstice in one way or another. (Usually joining in
with the over-indulgences associated with Christmass in the places I
have been.)

*Atheism, agnostics, monkey-ancestor worship etc.



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5 NOV. misty.


I'll go for 'smoky' myself


Beware the ides of November!!

(Well Thor's day anyway.)



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5 NOV. misty.

Beware the ides of November!!

The Ides of November is the 13th ....

(Well Thor's day anyway.)

..... and the 13th is a Saturday this year

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... I am not interested in snowfall at Christmass.


I would love to understand that logic, given that if you were a Pagan,

you
wouldn't be interested in christmas at all, with or without the snow (:


Snowfall at Christmass and all the other stuff that goes on Sickmess
cards is all from the Romantication of Christianity. (I.e. Pagan.)
Surely you knew that?


I am aware that the date of the xmas festival was allegedly selected to
coincide with the pagan feast which which took place three days after the
winter solstice (there is a similar day three days after the summer solstice
which in the UK is called Midsummer Day).

I have no word 'romantication' ... if you meant 'romanticisation' (by best
guess via the english dictionary) then while the xmas festival may well have
been romanticised over the years, I fail to see why even if some influences
had pagan origins, the issue of snowfall could be selected as pagan.

Whether snow falls on that day (xmas) does seem to be of interest to
christians. I am unaware of any historical record of pagans being
interested in snowfall, or the lack thereof, on or around the winter
solstice. If you have a literary reference for such, I would be very
grateful.

Gianna


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"Michael Mcneil" wrote in message

Even the wierd religions* that have no
gods celebrate the solstice in one way or another. (Usually joining in
with the over-indulgences associated with Christmass in the places I
have been.)

*Atheism, agnostics, monkey-ancestor worship etc.


Michael,

I am proud to be an Atheist; doubtless you are proud of your beliefs.
But Atheism is not a religion. Indeed, it is the very opposite. It
is the absence of religion - in other words, a denial of the existence
of any gods.

And yes, I do celebrate the fact that the days are getting longer once
the winter solstice has passed. It is merely the acknowledgment of a
scientific fact.

And am I to presume Michael that since you clearly don't engage in
monkey-ancestor-worship, you have scant regard for your forebears? :-)

Jack
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Jack Harrison wrote in message ...
"Michael Mcneil" wrote in message

Even the wierd religions* that have no
gods celebrate the solstice in one way or another. (Usually joining in
with the over-indulgences associated with Christmass in the places I
have been.)

*Atheism, agnostics, monkey-ancestor worship etc.


Michael,

I am proud to be an Atheist; doubtless you are proud of your beliefs.
But Atheism is not a religion. Indeed, it is the very opposite. It
is the absence of religion - in other words, a denial of the existence
of any gods.

And yes, I do celebrate the fact that the days are getting longer once
the winter solstice has passed. It is merely the acknowledgment of a
scientific fact.

And am I to presume Michael that since you clearly don't engage in
monkey-ancestor-worship, you have scant regard for your forebears? :-)

Jack


Doesn't it seem strange that we live in a world where we have to put people into
boxes ? He's a Christian, he's a Muslim, he's an atheist, I'm a scientist, etc
etc . I know I do it too. I wish we could all see people for what we are -
different beings, all with our own realities, thoughts, beliefs and every one of
us unique and special in the great scheme of things.

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On 1 Nov 2004 07:13:13 -0800, (Jack Harrison)
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"Michael Mcneil" wrote in message

Even the wierd religions* that have no
gods celebrate the solstice in one way or another. (Usually joining in
with the over-indulgences associated with Christmass in the places I
have been.)

*Atheism, agnostics, monkey-ancestor worship etc.


Michael,

I am proud to be an Atheist; doubtless you are proud of your beliefs.
But Atheism is not a religion. Indeed, it is the very opposite. It
is the absence of religion - in other words, a denial of the existence
of any gods.

And yes, I do celebrate the fact that the days are getting longer once
the winter solstice has passed. It is merely the acknowledgment of a
scientific fact.


I can only imagine that men celebrated the lengthening of the days
long before any religion hijacked it, much as they celebrated the
coming of spring (the religions hijacked that as well). The Christian
Jesus-in-a-stable story complete with three wise men etc is a copy of
similar stories involving the resurrecting pagan god-men such as
Osiris, Mithras and Dionysis who were also "born" on December 25th.

Martin






And am I to presume Michael that since you clearly don't engage in
monkey-ancestor-worship, you have scant regard for your forebears? :-)

Jack




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