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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:20:25 -0000, "Philip Eden"
philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote: "Colin Youngs" wrote in message ... John Hall wrote in message ... : She slightly redeemed herself when explaining the 13 degC possible in NE : Scotland tomorrow can be attributed to a fohn effect. :Except she calls it a "phone effect". : :How should it be pronounced? I confess that that is how I would have ![]() "Föhn" should be pronounced roughly like "fern". Well, for a non-rhotic speaker, yes. Brian Blair might disagree! As an erstwhile rhotic speaker coming from Gloucester I would also disagree. As a German student at school it was quite funny to hear Mozart's famous piece described as oiner kloiner knacked museek. Martin pe |
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Philip Eden wrote in message ...
:"Colin Youngs" wrote in message ... : "Föhn" should be pronounced roughly like "fern". :Well, for a non-rhotic speaker, yes. Brian Blair might disagree! After looking up "rhotic" in the dictionary ... I have to admit that you are right. I had in mind the way I pronounce "fern" myself. Of course I am well aware of the danger of trying to describe the sounds of one language by comparison with another - but my keyboard won't do the phonetic alphabet either ... As an aside, the word Fön - normally written without the H - is now the modern German word for "hairdryer". Colin Youngs Brussels |
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![]() "Colin Youngs" wrote in message ... As an aside, the word Fön - normally written without the H - is now the modern German word for "hairdryer". That's interesting ... presumably derived from the wind name? Did it become a registered Trade Mark that simply entered the language through sheer weight of use, like hoover? pe |
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Philip Eden wrote in message ...
: :"Colin Youngs" wrote in message ... : : As an aside, the word Fön - normally written without the H - is now the : modern German word for "hairdryer". : :That's interesting ... presumably derived from the wind name? ![]() :the language through sheer weight of use, like hoover? You are exactly right. The word is certainly derived from "Föhn". It seems that "Fön" was registered as a trade mark in Germany as long ago as 1908 by a company called Sanitas. After the Second World War that company was taken over by AEG. "Fön" is still a registered trade mark of AEG and so other manufacturers of hairdryers may not use it. Even so, it has entered into everyday use as a generic term for hairdryer, just like "hoover" for a vacuum cleaner. The origin of "Föhn" is the Latin "favonius" - west wind. Sources - searches on Google and Duden Rechtschreibung (authoritative German dictionary). The word "föhn" is also used in Dutch to mean hairdryer - but with the same spelling as the wind name. Colin Youngs Brussels |
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