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Piers Corbyn runs Weatheraction, an independent and rather
controversial weather forecasting operation which claims to be able to
make useful long-term predictions. It's controversial because most
weather forecasters do not believe there is any merit in his principles
(he claims that the forecasts are based on solar output) or his
forecasts. Moreover, he refuses to detail his techniques or even test
his skill in any objective manner. This article puts his case, and that
of his critics, in a reasonably fair way. It seems likely that his
"success", such as it is, is based on issuing forecasts that read like
horoscopes, where an optimistic assessor would find merit, but a
critical assessor would find fault. Anyway, I'm not really interested
in his weather predictions, but his climate forecast.

On the 2nd February 2005, he gave this presentation to the Institute of
Physics Energy Management Group. It contains the following:

In the next 5 or 10 years warming is likely to be maintained as a
transpolar shift occurs. This will be followed by the magnetic pole
moving away from the geographic pole, a decrease in solar activity, a
southward shift in the Gulf stream and considerable world cooling by
2040 AD.

Of course this forecast strongly contradicts all the projections of the
IPCC. If correct, it would have almost unlimited commercial value, as
it implies (among other things) that all concern over anthropogenic
global warming is misplaced. I think it's fair to say that the vast
majority of scientists with any knowledge of climate science would say
that the forecast is nonsense. However, what matters to me is what
Corbyn himself thinks.

So, I emailed him to ask him if he could quantify his "considerable
world cooling", and whether he would consider a bet with me on the
subject. Note that unlike the other people I have previously tried to
arrange bets with (here and here), he actually makes his living out of
selling forecasts, and is proud to boast of taking on the bookies and
winning. So he won't have the "I don't take risks" excuse of Myron
Ebell.

I've not managed to get any reply out of him at all, still less a bet.
For someone who claims a success rate of 80% or more with his
forecasts, he seems remarkably reluctant to make any money out of this
one. Could it be ... that he knows it is wrong?

So I'm still looking for that elusive consensus-busting sceptic who is
prepared to make a forecast, and stand behind it. If anyone hears of a
sceptical prediction, please let me know.

(version with links at http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/)

James


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You may have to work very very hard, James, to find an "elusive
consensus-busting sceptic who is prepared to make a forecast, and stand
behind it." However, one can reasonably infer that there are some
organizations that are placing large bets on the effects of global
warming.

Please see:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=770608

Dropping all those contracts must have cost Allstate PLENTY,
but they predict more bad weather in Florida. This big decision
was not made without knowledge of global warming.

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You may have to work very very hard, James, to find an "elusive
consensus-busting sceptic who is prepared to make a forecast, and stand
behind it." However, one can reasonably infer that there are some
organizations that are placing large bets on the effects of global
warming.

Please see:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=770608

Dropping all those contracts must have cost Allstate PLENTY,
but they predict more bad weather in Florida. This big decision
was not made without knowledge of global warming.

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James Annan wrote:
It's controversial because most
weather forecasters do not believe there is any merit in his principles
(he claims that the forecasts are based on solar output) or his
forecasts.


So the Sun has nothing to do wth driving the planets climate then? LOL
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James Annan wrote:
It's controversial because most
weather forecasters do not believe there is any merit in his principles
(he claims that the forecasts are based on solar output) or his
forecasts.


So the Sun has nothing to do wth driving the planets climate then? LOL


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In article ,
Karatepe writes:
James Annan wrote:
It's controversial because most
weather forecasters do not believe there is any merit in his principles
(he claims that the forecasts are based on solar output) or his
forecasts.


So the Sun has nothing to do wth driving the planets climate then? LOL


James didn't say that, nor could it reasonably be inferred from what he
wrote.
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John Hall

"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
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In article ,
Karatepe writes:
James Annan wrote:
It's controversial because most
weather forecasters do not believe there is any merit in his principles
(he claims that the forecasts are based on solar output) or his
forecasts.


So the Sun has nothing to do wth driving the planets climate then? LOL


James didn't say that, nor could it reasonably be inferred from what he
wrote.
--
John Hall

"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
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Roger Coppock wrote:

You may have to work very very hard, James, to find an "elusive
consensus-busting sceptic who is prepared to make a forecast, and stand
behind it." However, one can reasonably infer that there are some
organizations that are placing large bets on the effects of global
warming.

Please see:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=770608

Dropping all those contracts must have cost Allstate PLENTY,
but they predict more bad weather in Florida. This big decision
was not made without knowledge of global warming.


I've read a few similar articles about the insurance industry, but it is
hard to separate out the signal due to climate change from the (probably
much larger) effect of economic growth and vulnerability.

James
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Roger Coppock wrote:

You may have to work very very hard, James, to find an "elusive
consensus-busting sceptic who is prepared to make a forecast, and stand
behind it." However, one can reasonably infer that there are some
organizations that are placing large bets on the effects of global
warming.

Please see:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=770608

Dropping all those contracts must have cost Allstate PLENTY,
but they predict more bad weather in Florida. This big decision
was not made without knowledge of global warming.


I've read a few similar articles about the insurance industry, but it is
hard to separate out the signal due to climate change from the (probably
much larger) effect of economic growth and vulnerability.

James
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I've read a few similar articles about the insurance industry, but it is
hard to separate out the signal due to climate change from the (probably
much larger) effect of economic growth and vulnerability.

James


A very good point. After all, if you build houses on flood
plains you don't need increased rainfall and runoff to cause problems.
This also applies, in a rougher kind of way, to the Third World, where
more marginal land is increasingly used or inhabited, due partly to
population increase.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.



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