48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.

9 and 3/4 years is a short period; I'd like to see
a longer interval.

However . . .
For those of you who lack statistical sophistication
and use extrema over short intervals to measure
climate trends, here it is.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.

"Climate change is making itself felt in terms of day-to-day weather
in the United States," said Gerald Meehl, a researcher at the National
Center for Atmospheric Research and the lead author of the study.

In addition to NCAR, the research was done by scientists at the
Weather Channel and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
It is being published in Geophysical Research Letters.

On Nov 13, 7:13*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.

9 and 3/4 years is a short period; I'd like to see
a longer interval.

However . . .
For those of you who lack statistical sophistication
and use extrema over short intervals to measure
climate trends, here it is.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.

"Climate change is making itself felt in terms of day-to-day weather
in the United States," said Gerald Meehl, a researcher at the National
Center for Atmospheric Research and the lead author of the study.

In addition to NCAR, the research was done by scientists at the
Weather Channel and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
It is being published in Geophysical Research Letters.

How interesting that denialists haven't jumped onto this, Roger. We
all know this is just what should happen under "Global Cooling"

On Nov 13, 1:13*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.

9 and 3/4 years is a short period; I'd like to see
a longer interval.

However . . .
For those of you who lack statistical sophistication
and use extrema over short intervals to measure
climate trends, here it is.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.

•• Temperature levels in USA are at best shoddy
and any release from NOAA is purely political
following the party line as per Ms Pelosi

Commerce Department posted a new administrative order governing
“Public Communications.” This new order covers the National Oceanic &
Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), which includes the National Weather
Service and the National Marine Fisheries Service.
Although couched in rhetoric about the need for “broad and open
dissemination of research results [and] open exchange of scientific
ideas,” the new order forbids agency scientists from communicating any
relevant information, even if prepared and delivered on their own time
as private citizens, which has not been approved by the official chain-
of-command: . . .

— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural phenomena

Roger Coppock wrote:
48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.

9 and 3/4 years is a short period; I'd like to see
a longer interval.

However . . .
For those of you who lack statistical sophistication
and use extrema over short intervals to measure
climate trends, here it is.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.

"Climate change is making itself felt in terms of day-to-day weather
in the United States," said Gerald Meehl, a researcher at the National
Center for Atmospheric Research and the lead author of the study.

In addition to NCAR, the research was done by scientists at the
Weather Channel and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
It is being published in Geophysical Research Letters.

Weather Channel is a giant advocate of global warming. NOAA corrupt.

On Nov 13, 9:09*pm, "James" wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote:
48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.

9 and 3/4 years is a short period; I'd like to see
a longer interval.

However . . .
For those of you who lack statistical sophistication
and use extrema over short intervals to measure
climate trends, here it is.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.

"Climate change is making itself felt in terms of day-to-day weather
in the United States," said Gerald Meehl, a researcher at the National
Center for Atmospheric Research and the lead author of the study.

In addition to NCAR, the research was done by scientists at the
Weather Channel and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
It is being published in Geophysical Research Letters.

Weather Channel is a giant advocate of global warming. NOAA corrupt.

Perhaps you would care to post a rebuttal of the actual records
themselves?

On Nov 13, 12:13*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.

9 and 3/4 years is a short period; I'd like to see
a longer interval.

However . . .
For those of you who lack statistical sophistication
and use extrema over short intervals to measure
climate trends, here it is.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.

"Climate change is making itself felt in terms of day-to-day weather
in the United States," said Gerald Meehl, a researcher at the National
Center for Atmospheric Research and the lead author of the study.

In addition to NCAR, the research was done by scientists at the
Weather Channel and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
It is being published in Geophysical Research Letters.

Niiiice cherry picking.

Is that all ya got? James Hansen specifically said that average temps
are the way to properly measure and identify global warming. Or has he
agreed that whatever cherry picked crap data that shows even a hint of
warming somewhere is adequate for a scientific determination? Did not
think so.

On Nov 14, 6:13*am, Roger Coppock wrote:
48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.

9 and 3/4 years is a short period; I'd like to see
a longer interval.

However . . .
For those of you who lack statistical sophistication
and use extrema over short intervals to measure
climate trends, here it is.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.

"Climate change is making itself felt in terms of day-to-day weather
in the United States," said Gerald Meehl, a researcher at the National
Center for Atmospheric Research and the lead author of the study.

In addition to NCAR, the research was done by scientists at the
Weather Channel and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
It is being published in Geophysical Research Letters.

So Roger Coppock won't use extrema to prove climate trends, UNLESS
they support his bigoted view.

And JohnM is either too stupid to spot the scam, or is a part of the
scam.

This study has so many holes, you could use it as a sieve. I will just
mention a couple for now.

Consider why they only went back to the 1950's. (Hint: it is called
cherrypicking).

Most of the ALL TIME RECORD HIGHS (not the weak DATE record highs that
this study uses) occurred in the 1930's.

If they had gone back to the 1930's, then there would be very few
record high temperatures in latter years. It would be embarassing to
the alarmists to have a bigger ratio of highs to lows in the 1930's,
than in all following decades.

While you are thinking about that one, consider this. Isn't this
exactly the pattern that you would expect, from the problems that have
been pointed out with the weather station network:
- urban heat island effect (UHI)
- poor siting of weather stations
- painting weather stations with white latex paint
- etc, etc

Publishing an alarmist study like this, would make you think that
there was a major alarmist climate conference coming up.

Have a cool day,

Zorro

On Nov 14, 12:18*am, Zorro wrote:
On Nov 14, 6:13*am, Roger Coppock wrote:



48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.

9 and 3/4 years is a short period; I'd like to see
a longer interval.

However . . .
For those of you who lack statistical sophistication
and use extrema over short intervals to measure
climate trends, here it is.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.

"Climate change is making itself felt in terms of day-to-day weather
in the United States," said Gerald Meehl, a researcher at the National
Center for Atmospheric Research and the lead author of the study.

In addition to NCAR, the research was done by scientists at the
Weather Channel and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
It is being published in Geophysical Research Letters.

So Roger Coppock won't use extrema to prove climate trends, UNLESS
they support his bigoted view.

And JohnM is either too stupid to spot the scam, or is a part of the
scam.

This study has so many holes, you could use it as a sieve. I will just
mention a couple for now.

I have a better idea. Everyone read the report here and come to their
own conclusions.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/recor...-us-27194.html

"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
...
48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.

9 and 3/4 years is a short period; I'd like to see
a longer interval.

However . . .
For those of you who lack statistical sophistication
and use extrema over short intervals to measure
climate trends, here it is.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.



So what would you expect when you site climate stations in highly urbanised
areas??

You're measuring URBAN HEAT ISLAND effect not global temperature!



Poor Station Location Causes Warm Temperature Bias

Roger Pielke Sr

February 19 2008



Photographic Documentation of Poor Sitings - Part III From Our JGR Paper



Part I and II of this series of weblogs, discussed the serious limited value
of the use of a global average surface temperature anomaly to diagnose the
global radiative imbalance (i.e., global climate heat system changes), and
of a warm bias in the diagnosis of a global average surface temperature
trend when the minimum temperatures are used in its construction.



In Part III, we discuss yet another serious issue that we raised in our
paper



Pielke Sr., R.A., C. Davey, D. Niyogi, S. Fall, J. Steinweg-Woods, K.
Hubbard, X. Lin, M. Cai, Y.-K. Lim, H. Li, J. Nielsen-Gammon, K. Gallo, R.
Hale, R. Mahmood, S. Foster, R.T. McNider, and P. Blanken, 2007: Unresolved
issues with the assessment of multi-decadal global land surface temperature
trends. J. Geophys. Res., 112, D24S08, doi:10.1029/2006JD008229,



where we report,



Major problems with the microclimate exposure of a subset of surface
Historical Climate Network (HCN) sites have been photographed Easterling et
al. 1996; Davey and Pielke 2005]. The temperature instruments that are used
in the HCN are often sited close to buildings, under trees, and near other
local influences on the microclimate. These microclimate influences also
change over time."



The issue of the spatial and temporal representation of the temperature data
that is collected is so fundamental that it is a scandal for any climate
assessment that constructs a global average surface temperature to ignore
this issue.



Anthony Watts has, therefore, provided us a critically important study to
document these surface temperature measurement sites, since the US
government agency tasked with this responsibility (the National Climate Data
Center; NCDC) has refused to provide this photographic documentation,
despite information that they actually have accomplished this task (the
implication is that they are too embarrassed to show them to the public).



The extensive photographic library already completed under the direction of
Anthony Watts with his volunteers can be accessed at "Weather Stations".
This a rich source of information, and I urge readers of Climate Science to
access his website.



Two further excellent examples of further analysis of the issue of poor
station exposure can be read at



Mahmood, Rezaul , Stuart A. Foster, and David Logan, 2006: The Geoprofile
metadata, exposure of instruments, and measurement bias in climatic record
revisited International Journal of Climatology

and

Brooks, Ashley Victoria. M.S., Purdue University, May, 2007. Assessment of
the Spatiotemporal Impacts of Land Use Land Cover Change on the Historical
Climate Network Temperature Trends in Indiana. Major Professors: Dev Niyogi
and Michael Baldwin.



The message from these analyses is that the use of the surface temperature
record from such observation sites to construct regional-, zonal- and
global- averages introduces a bias (which is expected to be a significant
warm bias) of an unknown magnitude. That this issue has not been questioned
in the climate assessments nor by most of the media reports of the
assessments is a scandal.



The conclusions we have reached with respect to the poor siting of the
surface temperature measurement sites, for use in multi-decadal trend
assessments, include:



the poorly sited locations can not be "corrected" by using nearby better
sited locations in order to provide added sources of independent data; see
Pielke Sr., R.A. J. Nielsen-Gammon, C. Davey, J. Angel, O. Bliss, N.
Doesken, M. Cai., S. Fall, D. Niyogi, K. Gallo, R. Hale, K.G. Hubbard, X.
Lin, H. Li, and S. Raman, 2007: Documentation of uncertainties and biases
associated with surface temperature measurement sites for climate change
assessment. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 88:6, 913-928., where we concluded
that"The use of temperature data from poorly sited stations can lead to a
false sense of confidence in the robustness of multidecadal surface air
temperature trend assessments".



The serious problem with poor sited surface temperature stations is a
worldwide problem, based on our sampling so far (e.g., see for Mongolia and
see for a range of locations around the globe).



The World Meteorological Organization and the National Climate Date Center
have been derelict in obtaining photographic documentation of these
observing sites.



Readers of Climate Science are encouraged to photograph the surface
temperature sites in their country of residence, that are used to construct
the land based contribution to the global average surface temperature
anomalies, and send to Anthony Watts in be included in his very important
(and essential) archiving of this information (his website for this is Watts
Up With That and at Anthony Watt's Searchable Online Data Base ).



http://climatesci.org/2008/02/19/pho...our-jgr-paper/





Warmest Regards



Bon z0



"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

On Nov 13, 4:46*pm, tunderbar wrote:
On Nov 13, 12:13*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:

48 US states are a small fraction of the globe's
area; I'd like to see global data.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Temperature records: More highs than lows
Nov 12, 12:38 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Record high temperatures are occurring more than
twice as often as record lows.

According to a new study, between Jan. 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, this year
the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420
record lows at various locations.

"Climate change is making itself felt in terms of day-to-day weather
in the United States," said Gerald Meehl, a researcher at the National
Center for Atmospheric Research and the lead author of the study.

In addition to NCAR, the research was done by scientists at the
Weather Channel and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
It is being published in Geophysical Research Letters.

Niiiice cherry picking.

Is that all ya got? James Hansen specifically said that average temps
are the way to properly measure and identify global warming. Or has he
agreed that whatever cherry picked crap data that shows even a hint of
warming somewhere is adequate for a scientific determination? Did not
think so.

•• Oh! but he does He cares not a whit, what he
claims is usually a decade or three hence and
when he gets caught by mother time he says
"Oh maybe in another 20 or 30 years more."