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Having seen this, I'm surprised I've not seen one before, but still it
was very unfamiliar and I'm still not sure of the mechanism and precise conditions that produces these. While driving up the M5 and then M6 through Birmingham on Friday, for some scores of miles, a very prominent whitish-but-faintly-coloured arc in the same position in the sky as would be a rainbow, but giving a strong sense that it was very much behind some mid-height rafts of cloud present in the sky, very noticeable even at first glance, substantial, and yet unfamiliar and probably unregarded by most people on the ground beneath it ... the outer edge faintly tinged with red, but the blue seeming to drop into the blue background of the sky itself ... has anyone else come across one of these? |
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Having seen this, I'm surprised I've not seen one before, but still it was
very unfamiliar and I'm still not sure of the mechanism and precise conditions that produces these. While driving up the M5 and then M6 through Birmingham on Friday, for some scores of miles, a very prominent whitish-but-faintly-coloured arc in the same position in the sky as would be a rainbow, but giving a strong sense that it was very much behind some mid-height rafts of cloud present in the sky, very noticeable even at first glance, substantial, and yet unfamiliar and probably unregarded by most people on the ground beneath it ... the outer edge faintly tinged with red, but the blue seeming to drop into the blue background of the sky itself ... has anyone else come across one of these? Cloudbows and fogbows form in the same way as rainbows. The difference is that the drops forming them are smaller and diffraction then broadens the bow and dilutes the colours. Image he http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/rainbows/cldbow.htm Some pages about them http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/droplets/fogbow.htm Les Cowley Atmospheric Optics: http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/atoptics/phenom.htm |
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Les wrote:
Les Cowley Atmospheric Optics: http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/atoptics/phenom.htm What a fantastic website! Beautiful. |
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Les wrote:
Having seen this, I'm surprised I've not seen one before, but still it was very unfamiliar and I'm still not sure of the mechanism and precise conditions that produces these. While driving up the M5 and then M6 through Birmingham on Friday, for some scores of miles, a very prominent whitish-but-faintly-coloured arc in the same position in the sky as would be a rainbow, but giving a strong sense that it was very much behind some mid-height rafts of cloud present in the sky, very noticeable even at first glance, substantial, and yet unfamiliar and probably unregarded by most people on the ground beneath it ... the outer edge faintly tinged with red, but the blue seeming to drop into the blue background of the sky itself ... has anyone else come across one of these? Cloudbows and fogbows form in the same way as rainbows. The difference is that the drops forming them are smaller and diffraction then broadens the bow and dilutes the colours. Image he http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/rainbows/cldbow.htm Some pages about them http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/droplets/fogbow.htm Thanks. Presumably if the droplets of water are less than a certain size light can't get into them to be refracted/reflected - hence we don't see rainbows in every well positioned cloud. The web site photo is very similar to the sky I saw, though last Friday's bow's colouring was even more subtle if anything. The clouds producing the bow are visible in the photo as they were last Friday, and presumably the conditions needed for this are comparatively rare. This doesn't seem to involve droplets of a size that would fall at any great rate - perhaps the atmosphere is balanced just so to produce these rather translucent sheets of thin cloud that stretch for very many miles. |
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Thanks. Presumably if the droplets of water are less than a certain size
light can't get into them to be refracted/reflected - hence we don't see rainbows in every well positioned cloud. To form a bow the droplet or raindrop collection has to be sufficiently spread out that most of the sun rays only interact with a single drop. Ordinary clouds are too dense or extensive and light is scattered by many drops. The latter is why sunlit clouds are white. The web site photo is very similar to the sky I saw, though last Friday's bow's colouring was even more subtle if anything. The clouds producing the bow are visible in the photo as they were last Friday, and presumably the conditions needed for this are comparatively rare. This doesn't seem to involve droplets of a size that would fall at any great rate - perhaps the atmosphere is balanced just so to produce these rather translucent sheets of thin cloud that stretch for very many miles. Smaller drops produce broader and less colourful bows. http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/droplets/fogdrpsz.htm But most cloudbows will be made by drops at the larger end of those found in clouds - very fine drizzle, virga? Les Cowley Atmospheric Optics: http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/atoptics/phenom.htm |
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