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All I can see in the outlook this morning is dry weather. Endless dry weather
over most of the UK. Turning colder with time too.

Dust bowls in the SE this summer anyone?
I fear a very dry Spring is on the cards and then we are into peak evaporation
season with potential water supply problems.

:-(

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All I can see in the outlook this morning is dry weather. Endless dry
weather
over most of the UK. Turning colder with time too.

Dust bowls in the SE this summer anyone?
I fear a very dry Spring is on the cards and then we are into peak
evaporation
season with potential water supply problems.

:-(

Will.
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Then the weather throws a really wet period
with floods and people moan because of too much rain
will it ever end.



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Will Hand wrote:
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All I can see in the outlook this morning is dry weather. Endless dry

weather
over most of the UK. Turning colder with time too.

Dust bowls in the SE this summer anyone?
I fear a very dry Spring is on the cards and then we are into peak

evaporation
season with potential water supply problems.

:-(

Will.


Certainly worrying Will, but I was wondering why you are expecting a dry
spring. I always thought that dry winters where followed by fairly wet
and unsettled springs, not to mention things never seem to follow the
old patterns nowadays.

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Just looking at the upper air patterns Keith. All I can see is an endless series
of disrupting upper troughs coming across the Atlantic reinforcing the
continental/Russian/Scandinavian high pressure.

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"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
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Will Hand wrote:
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All I can see in the outlook this morning is dry weather. Endless dry

weather
over most of the UK. Turning colder with time too.

Dust bowls in the SE this summer anyone?
I fear a very dry Spring is on the cards and then we are into peak

evaporation
season with potential water supply problems.

:-(

Will.


Certainly worrying Will, but I was wondering why you are expecting a dry
spring. I always thought that dry winters where followed by fairly wet
and unsettled springs, not to mention things never seem to follow the
old patterns nowadays.

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http://www.southendweather.net


Just looking at the upper air patterns Keith. All I can see is an endless

series
of disrupting upper troughs coming across the Atlantic reinforcing the
continental/Russian/Scandinavian high pressure.

Will.
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And ... just noticed that my reasoning is backed up by the Met Office :-)
http://www.metoffice.com/research/se...le_terce2.html


Will.
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Extremely worrying. I have been commissioned recently by water companies to
explain to the public just how dry things are and will be talking about this
on BBC locl radio this afternoon. I for one have stored hundreds of gallons
of rain water in my garden for summer use from rain falling on to sheds and
roofs.It is amazing how much you can obtain this way even in low rainfall.
I calculated that just for a park in Reigate the current water deficit from
November 2004 if put into 10 litre or two gallon watering cans and laid end
to end would stretch from Surrey appropriately to the middle of the Sahara
desert, thousands of tonnes short.
Many really dry years are ended by a fairly wet spell like 1976 or 1714. To
have two back to back years like last year in the Southeast, the second
driest for a century or so, would be calamitous in an age of high water use.
Various reservoirs I have been monitoring are currently 35 per cent full and
the clock is ticking down fast to the time when the leaves come out,
conditions warm up and evapotranspiration draws up the already depleted
ground water which for some companies have now reached their lowest ever
levels in 100 years of operation.
Lets hope "be it dry or be it wet Nature always pays it debt" and heavy
rain occurs like Easter 1998.

Ian Currie-Coulsdon where there was a light snow cover this morning.
www.Frostedearth.com

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All I can see in the outlook this morning is dry weather. Endless dry

weather
over most of the UK. Turning colder with time too.

Dust bowls in the SE this summer anyone?
I fear a very dry Spring is on the cards and then we are into peak

evaporation
season with potential water supply problems.

:-(

Will.
--

" Ah yet another day to enjoy "
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Ian Currie wrote:
Extremely worrying. I have been commissioned recently by water companies to
explain to the public just how dry things are and will be talking about this
on BBC locl radio this afternoon. I for one have stored hundreds of gallons
of rain water in my garden for summer use from rain falling on to sheds and
roofs.It is amazing how much you can obtain this way even in low rainfall.
I calculated that just for a park in Reigate the current water deficit from
November 2004 if put into 10 litre or two gallon watering cans and laid end
to end would stretch from Surrey appropriately to the middle of the Sahara
desert, thousands of tonnes short.
Many really dry years are ended by a fairly wet spell like 1976 or 1714. To
have two back to back years like last year in the Southeast, the second
driest for a century or so, would be calamitous in an age of high water use.
Various reservoirs I have been monitoring are currently 35 per cent full and
the clock is ticking down fast to the time when the leaves come out,
conditions warm up and evapotranspiration draws up the already depleted
ground water which for some companies have now reached their lowest ever
levels in 100 years of operation.
Lets hope "be it dry or be it wet Nature always pays it debt" and heavy
rain occurs like Easter 1998.

Ian Currie-Coulsdon where there was a light snow cover this morning.
www.Frostedearth.com


It is certainly dry in the SE, though not unprecedentedly so in
my records. My 12-month running total is 560 mm (annual mean 820) .
It has been lower than this 3 times before in the last 23 years, in
May 1997 (525 mm), July 1992 (540 mm) and September 1989 (555 mm).
(Top whack was 1315 mm in Apr 2001). It's time for compulsory
universal water metering and those who want to lay water out to dry on
their gardens or on golf courses should pay handsomely and be
prohibited from doing so any way in times of drought. This kind of
usage is hardly one of life's essentials.
I can't see any rain in the next week at the very least. The
GFS charts give the impression of the circulation slowly going to
sleep.
Just about a snow cover here this morning. None had fallen at
nearby lower levels, eg Purley, Wallington.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey 556 ft.

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It's time for compulsory universal water metering and those who want to lay
water out to dry on their gardens or on golf courses should pay handsomely
and be prohibited from doing so any way in times of drought. This kind of
usage is hardly one of life's essentials.
Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey 556 ft.

I've virtually halved my Water and Sewerage charges since I've been metered.
That's with 3 adults (counting my daughter!) in the house. I favour a two
tiered metered charge. One rate slightly lower than current on the average
volume used by a family of 4, plus 25% allowance on top then a secondary
rate for volumes above this with a 100% surcharge. This will mainly hit
people with swmming pools, endlessly use of sprinklers, pressure washers
etc. With the former the elderly will never have to worry about how much
they are using and will save a lot of money, as will almost everybody. Also,
I have found by being metered people are much more sensible and don't tend
to just chuck this valuable resource down the drain.

Dave


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It's time for compulsory universal water metering and those who want to lay
water out to dry on their gardens or on golf courses should pay handsomely
and be prohibited from doing so any way in times of drought. This kind of
usage is hardly one of life's essentials.
Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey 556 ft.

I've virtually halved my Water and Sewerage charges since I've been metered.
That's with 3 adults (counting my daughter!) in the house. I favour a two
tiered metered charge. One rate slightly lower than current on the average
volume used by a family of 4, plus 25% allowance on top then a secondary
rate for volumes above this with a 100% surcharge. This will mainly hit
people with swmming pools, endlessly use of sprinklers, pressure washers
etc. With the former the elderly will never have to worry about how much
they are using and will save a lot of money, as will almost everybody. Also,
I have found by being metered people are much more sensible and don't tend
to just chuck this valuable resource down the drain.


I must confess living in a very high rainfall area I do not think about water
usage. I've been known to wash my hands under the outside tap for many minutes
with the water just running away down the garden. So a meter would make me
think a bit more that's for sure. OTOH I live in an area with the highest water
bills in the country (to help pay for keeping the beaches nice for the tourism
industry) and it really does get my goat a bit when I have been sitting in
almost endless hill fog with day after day of near torrential rain only to get
the water bill flop onto the doormat! Mind you since leaving Crowthorne I have
never ever had to water the garden once (apart from patio tubs and hanging
baskets). And as for lawn sprinklers, nobody uses them round here, so perhaps a
water meter would not bother us too much and if it helps people in less
fortunate areas then I'll be all for it, so good idea Dave and Tudor.

Will.
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Ian Currie wrote:
Many really dry years are ended by a fairly wet spell like 1976 or 1714. To
have two back to back years like last year in the Southeast, the second
driest for a century or so, would be calamitous in an age of high water use.


Hmm... if we reach the "calamitous" stage; I'll have to take the advice
of one of my friends who is a bit of a survival nut :-

"Chris, when times get really tough - there's only two things you need
to look after your family - a big pack of water purification tablets,
and a well-loaded shotgun".

KEEP AWAY, YOU HEAR?? THIS WATER'S MINE...

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Tudor, I was calculating from Nov 1st 2004. Thanks for your comments,
Ian Currie -Coulsdon-Surrey.

"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
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Ian Currie wrote:
Extremely worrying. I have been commissioned recently by water companies

to
explain to the public just how dry things are and will be talking about

this
on BBC locl radio this afternoon. I for one have stored hundreds of

gallons
of rain water in my garden for summer use from rain falling on to sheds

and
roofs.It is amazing how much you can obtain this way even in low

rainfall.
I calculated that just for a park in Reigate the current water deficit

from
November 2004 if put into 10 litre or two gallon watering cans and laid

end
to end would stretch from Surrey appropriately to the middle of the

Sahara
desert, thousands of tonnes short.
Many really dry years are ended by a fairly wet spell like 1976 or 1714.

To
have two back to back years like last year in the Southeast, the second
driest for a century or so, would be calamitous in an age of high water

use.
Various reservoirs I have been monitoring are currently 35 per cent full

and
the clock is ticking down fast to the time when the leaves come out,
conditions warm up and evapotranspiration draws up the already depleted
ground water which for some companies have now reached their lowest ever
levels in 100 years of operation.
Lets hope "be it dry or be it wet Nature always pays it debt" and heavy
rain occurs like Easter 1998.

Ian Currie-Coulsdon where there was a light snow cover this morning.
www.Frostedearth.com


It is certainly dry in the SE, though not unprecedentedly so in
my records. My 12-month running total is 560 mm (annual mean 820) .
It has been lower than this 3 times before in the last 23 years, in
May 1997 (525 mm), July 1992 (540 mm) and September 1989 (555 mm).
(Top whack was 1315 mm in Apr 2001). It's time for compulsory
universal water metering and those who want to lay water out to dry on
their gardens or on golf courses should pay handsomely and be
prohibited from doing so any way in times of drought. This kind of
usage is hardly one of life's essentials.
I can't see any rain in the next week at the very least. The
GFS charts give the impression of the circulation slowly going to
sleep.
Just about a snow cover here this morning. None had fallen at
nearby lower levels, eg Purley, Wallington.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey 556 ft.





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