In article ,
Norman Lynagh writes:
snip
The terms "hurricane" and "hurricane force" mean quite different
things.

This may all sound a bit pedantic but on a scientific newsgroup it
makes sense to get the science right :-)

Indeed. Another one for the FAQ, perhaps, since this has come up twice
within about 24 hours?
--
John Hall Weep not for little Leonie
Abducted by a French Marquis!
Though loss of honour was a wrench
Just think how it's improved her French. Harry Graham (1874-1936)

In article ,
Alex Stephens Jr writes:
snip
I've never quite understood why North Atlantic storm systems don't have
their own one word term, instead of wordy mouthfulls."extratropical
cyclones", "North Atlantic storm" etc.
"Lows", "depressions", or "storms" seem rather vague.

I don't see anything wrong with calling them storms, since that is what
they are. But you could call them tempests if you think it sounds more
dramatic.
--
John Hall Weep not for little Leonie
Abducted by a French Marquis!
Though loss of honour was a wrench
Just think how it's improved her French. Harry Graham (1874-1936)

"Alex Stephens Jr" wrote in message ...
I did elabourate within the thread that it was hurricane force winds I was refering to. The header was a bit of an attention
grabber I must admit.
I've never quite understood why North Atlantic storm systems don't have their own one word term, instead of wordy
mouthfulls."extratropical cyclones", "North Atlantic storm" etc.
"Lows", "depressions", or "storms" seem rather vague.
How about "Bigwind".
And a naming system too! I can just hear it:
Bigwind bluelightning, the second bigwind of the year, is approaching the shores of the UK. Bigwinds can of course lead to
structural damage, trees being uprooted and coastal flooding.
Nah? maybe not then.
Alex.

Alex, you can always use these. Here comes Freddy
http://www.met.fu-berlin.de/de/wetter/maps/anabwkna.gif

Regards,

Rob
Chester, UK
http://www.west-cheshire.ac.uk/weather

Take cat out before emailing

"John Hall" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Norman Lynagh writes:
snip
The terms "hurricane" and "hurricane force" mean quite different
things.

This may all sound a bit pedantic but on a scientific newsgroup it
makes sense to get the science right :-)

Indeed. Another one for the FAQ, perhaps, since this has come up twice
within about 24 hours?

.... you mean Q/A 2B.1 ... which has been there since May 1997 ;-(

Martin.

In article ,
Martin Rowley writes:

"John Hall" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Norman Lynagh writes:
snip
The terms "hurricane" and "hurricane force" mean quite different
things.

This may all sound a bit pedantic but on a scientific newsgroup it
makes sense to get the science right :-)

Indeed. Another one for the FAQ, perhaps, since this has come up twice
within about 24 hours?

... you mean Q/A 2B.1 ... which has been there since May 1997 ;-(

Oops! Sorry, Martin. I wasn't online when I was writing that, so
couldn't check, and didn't recall such a question.
--
John Hall Weep not for little Leonie
Abducted by a French Marquis!
Though loss of honour was a wrench
Just think how it's improved her French. Harry Graham (1874-1936)

"John Hall" wrote in message
...

... you mean Q/A 2B.1 ... which has been there since May 1997 ;-(

Oops! Sorry, Martin. I wasn't online when I was writing that, so
couldn't check, and didn't recall such a question.
--

.... no, it was one I anticipated when the whole thing started. We had
the problem in 1987 of course because as others have pointed out, Force
12 is "Hurricane Force" in the Beaufort list - so we are always on a
hiding to nothing with that one. The press love it - keeps them going
(or rather coming back on the phone) for ages when they look it up -
*says* Hurricane Force, but some stupid met man says it isn't a
hurricane. Try explaining about vertical shear and warm cores to the
average "sub" on the 'Sun ;-)

Martin.

In article ,
Martin Rowley writes:
"John Hall" wrote in message
...

... you mean Q/A 2B.1 ... which has been there since May 1997 ;-(

Oops! Sorry, Martin. I wasn't online when I was writing that, so
couldn't check, and didn't recall such a question.
--

... no, it was one I anticipated when the whole thing started. We had
the problem in 1987 of course because as others have pointed out, Force
12 is "Hurricane Force" in the Beaufort list - so we are always on a
hiding to nothing with that one.
snip

Yep. Having now read the answer in the FAQ, perhaps it might be clearer
if it explicitly included something to the effect that that Force 12 in
the Beaufort Scale is denoted as "Hurricane Force", even though very
rarely it can be reached in non-hurricane depressions. At the moment it
doesn't seem to mention the Beaufort Scale.
--
John Hall

"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

"John Hall" wrote in message
...

Yep. Having now read the answer in the FAQ, perhaps it might be
clearer
if it explicitly included something to the effect that that Force 12
in
the Beaufort Scale is denoted as "Hurricane Force", even though very
rarely it can be reached in non-hurricane depressions. At the moment
it
doesn't seem to mention the Beaufort Scale.

.... Hurricane Force is in the Glossary.

Martin.

"Alex Stephens Jr" wrote in
:

I did elabourate within the thread that it was hurricane force winds I
was refering to. The header was a bit of an attention grabber I must
admit. I've never quite understood why North Atlantic storm systems
don't have their own one word term, instead of wordy
mouthfulls."extratropical cyclones", "North Atlantic storm" etc.
"Lows", "depressions", or "storms" seem rather vague.
How about "Bigwind".

Hi Alex

Extratropical cyclones are commonly known as "windstorms" in the insurance
industry. Names taken from the DWD's analyses. Hence "Windstorm Erwin" hit
us over the weekend. Okay, so it may not be a great terminology, but it this
helps to separate things from hurricane / typhoon / tornado - even though
all these are effectively wind-storms!

Cheers
Richard

Richard Dixon wrote in
. 1.4:

Hi Alex

Extratropical cyclones are commonly known as "windstorms" in the
insurance industry. Names taken from the DWD's analyses. Hence
"Windstorm Erwin" hit us over the weekend. Okay, so it may not be a
great terminology, but it this helps to separate things from hurricane
/ typhoon / tornado - even though all these are effectively
wind-storms!

Just seen Rob's posting the DWD naming scheme - sorry for repeating you
Rob!

Richard