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![]() As well as the poor weather this summer, the suppression of temperatures compared to typical contemporary summer temperatures (since say 1989) is also noticeable. Yesterday in a warm humid airmass the SE "only" reached 26C, a value more typical of such airmasses occurring in May. On no day this week in London is even the 1961-90 mean of 22-23C forecast to occur, despite a lack of any real cold air plunges from the north. The last time the more typical contemporary pattern of temperatures being generally a degree or so above the 1961-90 average was the first 20 days of June, in the earlier stages of the wet spell. So as suggested by someone else a couple of weeks ago is the wet ground, or moisture content of the air, responsible for this? Nick |
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On Jul 16, 11:17 am, wrote:
As well as the poor weather this summer, the suppression of temperatures compared to typical contemporary summer temperatures (since say 1989) is also noticeable. Yesterday in a warm humid airmass the SE "only" reached 26C, a value more typical of such airmasses occurring in May. On no day this week in London is even the 1961-90 mean of 22-23C forecast to occur, despite a lack of any real cold air plunges from the north. The last time the more typical contemporary pattern of temperatures being generally a degree or so above the 1961-90 average was the first 20 days of June, in the earlier stages of the wet spell. So as suggested by someone else a couple of weeks ago is the wet ground, or moisture content of the air, responsible for this? Nick None of the above. The answer is cloud. The high surface temperature possibilities in a warm airmass will only be realised if the sun comes out. You can get 564 dam thicknesses in October but if it remains cloudy you will be stuck at about 15°C. Yesterday this place was one of the warmest in the country largely because the storms missed it and the sun shone for a little longer than in many other places. The maximum was 25.8°C but it soon dropped when the cloud from a storm skirting the area obscured the sun. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey, 556 ft. |
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On 16 Jul, 13:15, Tudor Hughes wrote:
None of the above. The answer is cloud. The high surface temperature possibilities in a warm airmass will only be realised if the sun comes out. Fully agree. The very wet state of the ground surface is another factor in limiting the efficiency of conversion of what inbound solar radiation there is to sensible heat. Last July, with the ground very dry after months of below-normal rainfall, solar radiation could be converted into sensible heat very rapidly. This year, it's having to warm up wet ground and that's taking quite a bit of the available energy in doing so - waterlogged soil as you know has a very high Specific Heat Capacity compared to dry soil. This factor is so important that I doubt whether even if a synoptic situation 'just right' for August 2003/July 2006 heatwave conditions suddenly arrived tomorrow whether we'd see maxima approaching the 36-38°C we saw in those months. Of course, a few warm days at this time of year would rapidly dry out surface layers and (all else being equal) we'd see successive daily maxima rising quickly as a result. August 2003 produced very high temperatures despite a fairly wet end to July in many parts of south-eastern England, after a few days for the soil to dry out. Stephen Stratfield Mortimer, Berkshire |
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