1. Do you believe it is actually happening - Y/N?

2. If you answered Yes to #1, do you think it is a natural or man-made
effect?
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Paul Hyett wrote:
1. Do you believe it is actually happening - Y/N?


I believe that temperatures have been rising. This does not mean they will
continue to do so indefinitely. (y/n isn't possible)


2. If you answered Yes to #1, do you think it is a natural or man-made
effect?


I tend to the view that the activities of one small part of nature (humans) is
by definition a natural effect so this is a natural warm cycle which will end in
its own good time.

The last graph I looked at (the British one), kindly provided by a member here,
suggested a certain amount of levelling was under way ... time will tell.


--
Gianna

http://www.buchan-meteo.org.uk
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:53:15 +0100, Gianna wrote:

Paul Hyett wrote:
1. Do you believe it is actually happening - Y/N?

I believe that temperatures have been rising. This does not mean they will
continue to do so indefinitely. (y/n isn't possible)

2. If you answered Yes to #1, do you think it is a natural or man-made
effect?
I tend to the view that the activities of one small part of nature (humans) is
by definition a natural effect so this is a natural warm cycle which will end in
its own good time.

The last graph I looked at (the British one), kindly provided by a member here,
suggested a certain amount of levelling was under way ... time will tell.

I tend to agree with your point of view more closely than any others
that I've seen expressed in this thread. I have no problem with those
who believe it's primarily a man-made phenomenon trying to reverse the
warming trend by taking whatever actions they can get international
agreement to - but with one important proviso:

Whatever actions are taken MUST be reversible. There must be an escape
route, in case the believers are wrong. I have seen no discussion of
this aspect; perhaps I've missed it.

--
Dave

The world has got warmer in recent times - FACT
What caused it? - Unknown, but evidence for both natural and man-made causes.

Will
--

"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
The world has got warmer in recent times - FACT
What caused it? - Unknown, but evidence for both natural and man-made
causes.

What evidence is there for natural causes?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On 28 Sep, 15:19, Dave Ludlow wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:53:15 +0100, Gianna wrote:
Paul Hyett wrote:
1. Do you believe it is actually happening - Y/N?
I believe that temperatures have been rising. This does not mean they will
continue to do so indefinitely. (y/n isn't possible)

2. If you answered Yes to #1, do you think it is a natural or man-made
effect?
I tend to the view that the activities of one small part of nature (humans) is
by definition a natural effect so this is a natural warm cycle which will end in
its own good time.

The last graph I looked at (the British one), kindly provided by a member here,
suggested a certain amount of levelling was under way ... time will tell.

I tend to agree with your point of view more closely than any others
that I've seen expressed in this thread. I have no problem with those
who believe it's primarily a man-made phenomenon trying to reverse the
warming trend by taking whatever actions they can get international
agreement to - but with one important proviso:

Whatever actions are taken MUST be reversible. There must be an escape
route, in case the believers are wrong. I have seen no discussion of
this aspect; perhaps I've missed it.

--
Dave

We have increased CO2 from 280 ppm to 380 ppm and the climate is
reacting. No-one is talking of reversing that, nor does anyone have
an escape route!

In message
Dave Ludlow wrote:


I tend to agree with your point of view more closely than any others
that I've seen expressed in this thread. I have no problem with those
who believe it's primarily a man-made phenomenon trying to reverse the
warming trend by taking whatever actions they can get international
agreement to - but with one important proviso:

Whatever actions are taken MUST be reversible. There must be an escape
route, in case the believers are wrong. I have seen no discussion of
this aspect; perhaps I've missed it.


Does that mean we taxpayers will get out money back, and the millions
kept in poverty in the third world by being prohibited to develop the
fossil fuel reserves will be compensated?

Martin


--
Created on the Iyonix PC - the world's fastest RISC OS computer.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/

Dave Ludlow wrote in
:

snip
Whatever actions are taken MUST be reversible. There must be an escape
route, in case the believers are wrong. I have seen no discussion of
this aspect; perhaps I've missed it.

Sounds good in principle, but is it achievable in practice? If the more
apocalyptic predictions are to be believed (for the sake of argument) and
enormous changes are needed quickly, then that is going to cost equally
enormous amounts of money. It may be that the required expenditure is so
vast that it is simply impossible to provide both for that *and* for the
means of reversing the change. However, if (again for the sake of
argument) these predictions *are* to be believed, then *not* making vast
changes is also a disastrous way to go.

Imagine you're on a cliff-top and think you hear a man with a gun running
up behind you. Your judgement tells you that if he reaches you, he will
kill you (for the sake of argument, you have no chance of killing him).
You've stood wondering what to do for a little while, and the sound is
now getting very close. Given all this, you may feel that the only chance
you have is to jump off the cliff into the sea, even though a) you may be
wrong and the sounds may not be those of a gunman, b) you don't know
what's in the sea, and c) once you jump there's no way back up.

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

In article ,
Paul Hyett writes:
1. Do you believe it is actually happening - Y/N?

Yes.


2. If you answered Yes to #1, do you think it is a natural or man-made
effect?

Primarily man-made, though it's possible that there is a natural
component as well.
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:49:20 +0100, in uk.sci.weather John Hall
wrote:

Primarily man-made, though it's possible that there is a natural
component as well.

Man is nature too!

--
Nico.

Veni - Quaesivi - Inveni (updated 23-09-2007)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nbartels/geocaching.html