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By Nigel Morris The Independent (extract) Published: 09 November 2007 "Much of the east coast of England has been placed on severe flood alert amid fears that lives could be lost and property destroyed by a huge tidal surge. Gordon Brown chaired an emergency meeting last night to discuss the threat from a 10ft wall of water whipped up by gale-force winds racing down the North Sea. Eight severe flood warnings were announced around the East Anglian coast, with Norfolk and Suffolk expected to bear the brunt of the massive waves early this morning. Amid fears that sea defences could be breached across the region, an emergency operation swung into action in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk. Thirty thousand sandbags were distributed in the town which suffered severe flooding just a year ago. Elderly and vulnerable people were moved out of low-lying areas and 14 emergency centres were set up in readiness for people forced to leave their homes. All schools in Great Yarmouth will stay closed today. Residents near low-lying sections of the Suffolk coast were advised to leave their homes as up to 1,300 properties could be hit by the highest floods for half a century. Ten flood warnings were also issued - six covering vulnerable parts of the north Norfolk coast, such as Brancaster, one in the Norfolk Broads and three around the North Yorkshire towns of Whitby and Scarborough. Twenty-four further flood alerts were sounded covering virtually the entire eastern coast from Northumberland to Kent. Among the areas covered were the Humber estuary, the Lincolnshire coast, the Essex towns of Clacton and Southend and sections of the Kent coast, including the Isle of Sheppey and Margate. All were said to be at risk of localised flooding. An Environment Agency spokesman warned: "We expect flooding. We're warning people there's an extreme danger to life and property." The Dartford Creek and Thames barriers were shut last night to protect the capital from the surge of water. Andy Batchelor, the Thames tidal flood risk manager, said: "These closures... serve as a reminder to us all that living in the flood plain is never without risk." Emergency preparations for the tidal surge were also underway across the North Sea in the Netherlands and Belgium. The Prime Minister called a meeting of the Cobra emergency response committee. John Healey, the Floods minister, said: "We are making sure that the public are getting the information they need to prepare as best they can. Cobra will be on full alert through the night and the Prime Minister will be keeping in close touch." Hilary Benn, the Environment Secretary, warned MPs last night of potentially serious flooding over the next 48 hours. Mr Benn told MPs: "A tidal surge of up to three metres is making its way down the North Sea which could coincide with peak high tides. There is a risk of flood defences being over-topped on the coast and in tidal rivers, especially in East Anglia, particularly the Norfolk Broads and the coast south of Great Yarmouth including Lowestoft, and areas south of this as far as the coast of Kent." The Environment Agency warned that the conditions were similar to those before the notorious floods of 1953, when more than 300 people died after large parts of the East Anglia coast were left under water. "It's comparable but we're much better prepared now," a spokesman said." http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/thi...cle3143252.ece Thanks for posting this. The UK Met Office issued a News Release today congratulating itself on its accurate forecasting of this event, and warning about climate change producing more such events in coming years: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...r20071109.html Highest storm surge for decades Accurate and consistent forecasts from the Met Office helped the Environment Agency and emergency services take decisive action, after England's east coast experienced one of the highest storm surges and tides for several decades. Meanwhile, studies of climate change at the Met Office Hadley Centre suggest that in the future the height of coastal floods is likely to increase, potentially causing more damage. .... The storm surge was one of the highest since the 1953 east coast floods, which claimed hundreds of lives. It was fortunate that the recent surge did not coincide with high tide times. ... --- END OF EXCERPT FROM UK MET OFFICE NEWS RELEASE --- If the Met Office forecasts were lauditory in this case, then what kind of superlatives would best describe the long range forecast for severe disruptive storm, previously discussed here (in sci.environment) by you and others, produced by Piers Corbyn's Weather Action. Cobyn reports using predictable solar changes as a basis for forecasting weather here on Earth many months in advance. Changes in Earth's magnetic field also have significant influence on how the solar changes get expressed, weatherwise, he says. He does not give a whit of credit to recent (decadal/century) atmospheric CO2 trends in terms of influence on weather or climate. Best wishes, Steve Schulin http://www.nuclear.com and coming soon: http://www.calamitology.com [uk.sci.weather added] |
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![]() Accurate and consistent forecasts from the Met Office helped the Environment Agency and emergency services take decisive action, after England's east coast experienced one of the highest storm surges and tides for several decades. Interesting to see that although this event keeps getting compared with 1953, the MetO's own press release shows the highest water ODN was significantly lower than in 1983, so it was in fact the highest tide for 2 decades. Lucky it didn't happen during the large Springs of 2 weeks ago though. Graham Penzance |
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"Graham Easterling" wrote:
Accurate and consistent forecasts from the Met Office helped the Environment Agency and emergency services take decisive action, after England's east coast experienced one of the highest storm surges and tides for several decades. Interesting to see that although this event keeps getting compared with 1953, the MetO's own press release shows the highest water ODN was significantly lower than in 1983, so it was in fact the highest tide for 2 decades. Lucky it didn't happen during the large Springs of 2 weeks ago though. The weasel words here are "one of the". It was probably one of the 50 biggest storm surges since 1953, and it may have been one of the 20 biggest. There have been several since 1983, notably in Feb 1992 and Feb 1996. My memory for these things is less good the nearer we get to the present. Philip |
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![]() "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message The weasel words here are "one of the". It was probably one of the 50 biggest storm surges since 1953, and it may have been one of the 20 biggest. There have been several since 1983, notably in Feb 1992 and Feb 1996. My memory for these things is less good the nearer we get to the present. Philip Al Gore was on final approach to Norwich Airport in his private jet just as the stand down was given. But so as not to have wasted 16 trillion tonnes of Jet A1 hoping to get new footage for his next film "Another Inconvenient Hype", he and his motorcade visited that pub in Norfolk where the cellar got flooded. There he comforted the masses with a brief service of thanksgiving. Paulus |
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"Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message The weasel words here are "one of the". It was probably one of the 50 biggest storm surges since 1953, and it may have been one of the 20 biggest. There have been several since 1983, notably in Feb 1992 and Feb 1996. My memory for these things is less good the nearer we get to the present. Philip Al Gore was on final approach to Norwich Airport in his private jet just as the stand down was given. But so as not to have wasted 16 trillion tonnes of Jet A1 hoping to get new footage for his next film "Another Inconvenient Hype", he and his motorcade visited that pub in Norfolk where the cellar got flooded. There he comforted the masses with a brief service of thanksgiving. Paulus I guess Pier's Corbyn may have a smug look on his face on this one, albiet a little late, or early ;-) -- Keith (Southend) http://www.southendweather.net e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net |
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![]() "Keith (Southend)" wrote in message I guess Pier's Corbyn may have a smug look on his face on this one, albiet a little late, or early ;-) Yes, he could do to employ our brother "Weatherlawyer" as his publicist. They talk the same language. But that won't stop the media from loving him. The relationship is perhaps an inverse law. The less sense someone talks the more they baffle the media hacks and the more air time they are given. If it sounds scientific then it must be scientific - right? Paulus |
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On 9 Nov, 21:11, Graham Easterling wrote:
Accurate and consistent forecasts from the Met Office helped the Environment Agency and emergency services take decisive action, after England's east coast experienced one of the highest storm surges and tides for several decades. Interesting to see that although this event keeps getting compared with 1953, the MetO's own press release shows the highest water ODN was significantly lower than in 1983, so it was in fact the highest tide for 2 decades. Lucky it didn't happen during the large Springs of 2 weeks ago though. Graham Penzance The data is in the press release:- http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...r20071109.html |
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