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Some very interesting gfs charts today and for the last couple of
days. There's been enough consistency in the gfs output for me to forecast that 10 days from now, on the 25th June, the UK weather will be zonal, with pressure being higher over Europe and a decreasing pressure gradient towards Northern Scotland. The Atlantic will be holding sway and the weather will be approaching from the West. Detail is a zonal spell is impossible to forecast at that distance and there could, just as easily, be a ridge of high pressure on the 25th, as a Westward moving front, but ridges will be transitory and they will be forecast to move eAstwards as low pressures approach from the West On the run-up to the 25th, the weather will be unsettled from midweek, this week, but as a low pressure settles to the SW and pushes towards us, next weekend, it could drag up some very warm air ahead of it. If the present charts verify, we could see the first 30C of the year Sunday/Monday of next week and perhaps some spectacular thunderstorms if the plume of warm air being dragged up from Spain reaches us. A Spanish plume, rather than a North African one, this time. It's also possible that it could be pushed East, but temperatures of 35C could be experienced in the near continent, Northern France, Benelux countries, or Germany late next weekend and into the start of the week after. After that, the weather in the UK will again turn unsettled, with the odd transitory ridge, for the UK as the 25th approaches. Both the plume and the unsettled weather to follow have been on the gfs for 5 runs. A hot solstice and a wet first week of Wimbledon?? 80% chance for me. Paul |
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![]() 100% Wrong. All the way to the 25th. Just like your last so called forecast. 100% consistency in being inaccurate since your spamming of USW began paul. Dawlish wrote: Some very interesting gfs charts today and for the last couple of days. There's been enough consistency in the gfs output for me to forecast that 10 days from now, on the 25th June, the UK weather will be zonal, with pressure being higher over Europe and a decreasing pressure gradient towards Northern Scotland. The Atlantic will be holding sway and the weather will be approaching from the West. Detail is a zonal spell is impossible to forecast at that distance and there could, just as easily, be a ridge of high pressure on the 25th, as a Westward moving front, but ridges will be transitory and they will be forecast to move eAstwards as low pressures approach from the West On the run-up to the 25th, the weather will be unsettled from midweek, this week, but as a low pressure settles to the SW and pushes towards us, next weekend, it could drag up some very warm air ahead of it. If the present charts verify, we could see the first 30C of the year Sunday/Monday of next week and perhaps some spectacular thunderstorms if the plume of warm air being dragged up from Spain reaches us. A Spanish plume, rather than a North African one, this time. It's also possible that it could be pushed East, but temperatures of 35C could be experienced in the near continent, Northern France, Benelux countries, or Germany late next weekend and into the start of the week after. After that, the weather in the UK will again turn unsettled, with the odd transitory ridge, for the UK as the 25th approaches. Both the plume and the unsettled weather to follow have been on the gfs for 5 runs. A hot solstice and a wet first week of Wimbledon?? 80% chance for me. Paul |
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:51:04 +0100, "N.E Zephyr"
wrote: 100% Wrong. All the way to the 25th. Just like your last so called forecast. 100% consistency in being inaccurate since your spamming of USW began paul. I am sure there are many on this newsgroup who welcome opinions/predictions just as there are those that pick up on the daily observations that are made from around the country. I prefer the former. The MetO update their 6-15 day forecast daily at just before noon. It is a daily read for me at work noticing subtle changes - even the occasional grammatical howler! So what exactly is your problem with an opinion about the weather and what it might hold for us. Everyone knows things change. RN |
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On Jun 16, 12:02*am, Robin Nicholson
wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:51:04 +0100, "N.E Zephyr" wrote: 100% Wrong. All the way to the 25th. Just like your last so called forecast. 100% consistency in being inaccurate since your spamming of USW began paul. I am sure there are many on this newsgroup who welcome opinions/predictions just as there are those that pick up on the daily observations that are made from around the country. I prefer the former. The MetO update their 6-15 day forecast daily at just before noon. It is a daily read for me at work noticing subtle changes - even the occasional grammatical howler! So what exactly is your problem with an opinion about the weather and what it might hold for us. Everyone knows things change. RN The Met Office forecast today is at odds with the gfs output from the last 2 runs. "UK Outlook for Monday 23 Jun 2008 to Wednesday 2 Jul 2008: Unsettled conditions are expected on Monday and Tuesday with most regions seeing showers or longer spells of rain at times. More persistent rain is likely across southern and eastern areas at first but also in the north and west later. Some southern and western parts windy at times. The unsettled theme is expected to continue in the north and west during Wednesday to Friday with showers or rain. Elsewhere, there should be some fine weather, but occasional spells of showery rain possible. Temperatures near normal but becoming very warm at times in the south. For the rest of the period, the weather is likely to be fairly warm and settled for the most part, especially in the south, albeit with cooler, showery interludes in the north and west at times. Updated: 1154 on Wed 18 Jun 2008" Fine weather after from Wed 25th and becoming very warm in the South and settled for the most part, according to the MeTO. I don't agree, as of the gfs output today. I know it has showed the possibility of better weather for the middle of next week, but the last two runs have re-established the unsettled theme for next week. See if the MetO 6-15- day forecast changes at the next update. My own forecast from the 15th, 3 days in towards the 25th is looking OK, but even with 7 days to go the models can alter and the eventual outcome can change even at a distance of only a week, as the last one showed! The heat may just catch the far SE, but it may also topple and affect the near continent, as I'd suggested - where some impressive temperatures could be recorded Sun/Mon. Paul |
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On Jun 16, 12:02*am, Robin Nicholson
wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:51:04 +0100, "N.E Zephyr" wrote: 100% Wrong. All the way to the 25th. Just like your last so called forecast. 100% consistency in being inaccurate since your spamming of USW began paul. I am sure there are many on this newsgroup who welcome opinions/predictions just as there are those that pick up on the daily observations that are made from around the country. I prefer the former. The MetO update their 6-15 day forecast daily at just before noon. It is a daily read for me at work noticing subtle changes - even the occasional grammatical howler! So what exactly is your problem with an opinion about the weather and what it might hold for us. Everyone knows things change. RN Quite right. And they aren't even his forecasts in the first place. Leave him alone, say I, the poor dear. He doesn't hurt anyone. |
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On Jun 19, 12:14*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jun 16, 12:02*am, Robin Nicholson wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:51:04 +0100, "N.E Zephyr" wrote: 100% Wrong. All the way to the 25th. Just like your last so called forecast. 100% consistency in being inaccurate since your spamming of USW began paul. I am sure there are many on this newsgroup who welcome opinions/predictions just as there are those that pick up on the daily observations that are made from around the country. I prefer the former. The MetO update their 6-15 day forecast daily at just before noon. It is a daily read for me at work noticing subtle changes - even the occasional grammatical howler! So what exactly is your problem with an opinion about the weather and what it might hold for us. Everyone knows things change. RN Quite right. And they aren't even his forecasts in the first place. Leave him alone, say I, the poor dear. He doesn't hurt anyone.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ?? Nope, don't get a word. Unintelligable. |
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On Jun 19, 12:14*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jun 16, 12:02*am, Robin Nicholson wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:51:04 +0100, "N.E Zephyr" wrote: 100% Wrong. All the way to the 25th. Just like your last so called forecast. 100% consistency in being inaccurate since your spamming of USW began paul. I am sure there are many on this newsgroup who welcome opinions/predictions just as there are those that pick up on the daily observations that are made from around the country. I prefer the former. The MetO update their 6-15 day forecast daily at just before noon. It is a daily read for me at work noticing subtle changes - even the occasional grammatical howler! So what exactly is your problem with an opinion about the weather and what it might hold for us. Everyone knows things change. RN Quite right. And they aren't even his forecasts in the first place. Leave him alone, say I, the poor dear. He doesn't hurt anyone.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - W; did some digging. You did say that a "major" earthquake was due didn't you? Well, on another thread, you gave a timing for that, though you kept that timing secret from us, despite being asked for some specifics. You did write this, did you not, following the Earthquake in Northern Japan on the 13th of this month? "I think so too. It is being touted as an R7 on British TV. We are only half way through this spell and there is a major quake due, so even if this one is promoted to a mag 7 it will still owe us another for the end of the run on Wednesday the 18th." The date has passed. The "major" quake never happened. You were wrong. 1/5, 20% since April 24th. In that time, your methods have missed predicting every one of the bigger earthquakes, including the biggest one of the year, so far, in Sichuan and you missed the biggest Volcanic eruption too - Chaiten's eruption. The only way to assess the ability of a forecaster is to monitor accuracy over time. Don't trust anyone's ability, as a forecaster of anything, who fails to return to the forecasts they make, to analyse them and explain the result at outcome; be it right, or wrong. |
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On Jun 19, 2:31*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:14*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Jun 16, 12:02*am, Robin Nicholson wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:51:04 +0100, "N.E Zephyr" wrote: 100% Wrong. All the way to the 25th. Just like your last so called forecast. 100% consistency in being inaccurate since your spamming of USW began paul. I am sure there are many on this newsgroup who welcome opinions/predictions just as there are those that pick up on the daily observations that are made from around the country. I prefer the former. The MetO update their 6-15 day forecast daily at just before noon. It is a daily read for me at work noticing subtle changes - even the occasional grammatical howler! So what exactly is your problem with an opinion about the weather and what it might hold for us. Everyone knows things change. RN Quite right. And they aren't even his forecasts in the first place. Leave him alone, say I, the poor dear. He doesn't hurt anyone.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - W; did some digging. You did say that a "major" earthquake was due didn't you? Well, on another thread, you gave a timing for that, though you kept that timing secret from us, despite being asked for some specifics. You did write this, did you not, following the Earthquake in Northern Japan on the 13th of this month? "I think so too. It is being touted as an R7 on British TV. We are only half way through this spell and there is a major quake due, so even if this one is promoted to a mag 7 it will still owe us another for the end of the run on Wednesday the 18th." The date has passed. The "major" quake never happened. You were wrong. 1/5, 20% since April 24th. In that time, your methods have missed predicting every one of the bigger earthquakes, including the biggest one of the year, so far, in Sichuan and you missed the biggest Volcanic eruption too - Chaiten's eruption. The only way to assess the ability of a forecaster is to monitor accuracy over time. Don't trust anyone's ability, as a forecaster of anything, who fails to return to the forecasts they make, to analyse them and explain the result at outcome; be it right, or wrong.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - W; just because you have a taste for abuse and a complete lack of ability to justify your theories by your constant failiure to show that they can be of any use whatsoever.......may I remind you of the above? 1/5, 20% accuracy since 24th June. It's not going well. Time you forecast an earthquake/volcanic eruption accurately, with timings, location and strength. Only then will people listen. I would imagine, on your past record, that this post will be greeted with either silence, or abuse. Neither would be very convincing. I'd hope you will put your theories to the test, but that might be a vain hope. |
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On Jun 15, 7:37*pm, Dawlish wrote:
Some very interesting gfs charts today and for the last couple of days. There's been enough consistency in the gfs output for me to forecast that 10 days from now, on the 25th June, the UK weather will be zonal, with pressure being higher over Europe and a decreasing pressure gradient towards Northern Scotland. The Atlantic will be holding sway and the weather will be approaching from the West. Detail is a zonal spell is impossible to forecast at that distance and there could, just as easily, be a ridge of high pressure on the 25th, as a Westward moving front, but ridges will be transitory and they will be forecast to move eAstwards as low pressures approach from the West On the run-up to the 25th, the weather will be unsettled from midweek, this week, but as a low pressure settles to the SW and pushes towards us, next weekend, it could drag up some very warm air ahead of it. If the present charts verify, we could see the first 30C of the year Sunday/Monday of next week and perhaps some spectacular thunderstorms if the plume of warm air being dragged up from Spain reaches us. A Spanish plume, rather than a North African one, this time. It's also possible that it could be pushed East, but temperatures of 35C could be experienced in the near continent, Northern France, Benelux countries, or Germany late next weekend and into the start of the week after. After that, the weather in the UK will again turn unsettled, with the odd transitory ridge, for the UK as the 25th approaches. Paul Zonal; fronts queueing up to the West, but the SE faring better than tha NW. A good forecast this time, at 10 days. Beats the last one that was good for 8/9 days, but didn't anticipate the establishment of zonal conditions right at the end.The unsettled theme for today was shown on 5 consecutive runs of the gfs back on the 14th/15th June. On the way to today's outcome, the plume toppled and was not quite as warm as I'd thought it might be, The only vestige of heat for the UK was a very warm night in mT air on Saturday, with some thunderstorms for some areas. I've forecast zonal conditions continuing to the end of the month as my next 10-day forecast and I don't see any reason to change that. Once established, it's hard to get rid of zonal conditions, but there may be some hints of blocking developing over Scandinavia which could interrupt the zonal flow. Paul |
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On Jun 25, 7:12*am, Dawlish wrote:
On Jun 15, 7:37*pm, Dawlish wrote: I've forecast zonal conditions continuing to the end of the month as my next 10-day forecast and I don't see any reason to change that. Once established, it's hard to get rid of zonal conditions, but there may be some hints of blocking developing over Scandinavia which could interrupt the zonal flow. 2 more runs with that Scandinavian blocking showing on the gfs. Could there be hints of the zonal train hitting the buffers? Not enough consistency, yet. Paul |
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